Flybe Recruiting and Ts & Cs
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It would appear the Flybe just never learn. They've been short of crew since the mid 90's and nobody at a senior level has ever contemplated why? They habitually bite the hands that feed them. Maybe they should take a look at the mess Easyjet ended up in recently over pay and conditions and see if they really want to go down that road. Stick to your guns guys, get the union membership up and go for it.
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Just to update Maude Charlee's post.
As from the recent intake of new flight crew that began their employment with Flybe in late June, the bond is quite definately a three year NON reducing bond. However, nothing has changed wrt the FO's year one salary.
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As from the recent intake of new flight crew that began their employment with Flybe in late June, the bond is quite definately a three year NON reducing bond. However, nothing has changed wrt the FO's year one salary.
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Quite the reverse actually, but some of the recent recruits have been so poor that there was no other choice!
What was it, 18 sectors with a covering FO? That's worrying!
What was it, 18 sectors with a covering FO? That's worrying!
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Originally Posted by Snigs
Quite the reverse actually, but some of the recent recruits have been so poor that there was no other choice!
What was it, 18 sectors with a covering FO? That's worrying!
What was it, 18 sectors with a covering FO? That's worrying!
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Deano, not too long a go some of the trainers seemed to be making some kind of political statment and were chopping people left, right and center.
Things like flying 1 knot too slow or fast on OEI go arounds. Even the Fleet Tech Pilot, an ex RAF test pilot, was failed on his recurrent sim.
There was a course of 8, I believe, integrated low hour guys. 7 of them were chopped for reasons such as the above. Of course there is probably more to it than that, maybe, but that was the rumour going around the line for a while.
It's much better now and is more training than testing.
Snigs, it is actually a minimum of 44 sectors with a covering F/O for as long as the training captain deems necessary. Some of the not too recent new joiners have had over 70 training sectors. Not ideal I agree but the company doesn't want to fail you.
Things like flying 1 knot too slow or fast on OEI go arounds. Even the Fleet Tech Pilot, an ex RAF test pilot, was failed on his recurrent sim.
There was a course of 8, I believe, integrated low hour guys. 7 of them were chopped for reasons such as the above. Of course there is probably more to it than that, maybe, but that was the rumour going around the line for a while.
It's much better now and is more training than testing.
Snigs, it is actually a minimum of 44 sectors with a covering F/O for as long as the training captain deems necessary. Some of the not too recent new joiners have had over 70 training sectors. Not ideal I agree but the company doesn't want to fail you.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Snigs, it is actually a minimum of 44 sectors with a covering F/O...
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Deano777, no, sorry that wouldn't be fair on the individual, and would just be a small snapshot of a very wide picture!
RAFAT, Spot on
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Come on, 1 knot, that is balls and you know it. Do you have an axe to grind?
RAFAT, Spot on
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Things like flying 1 knot too slow or fast on OEI go arounds. Even the Fleet Tech Pilot, an ex RAF test pilot, was failed on his recurrent sim.
There was a course of 8, I believe, integrated low hour guys. 7 of them were chopped for reasons such as the above.
There was a course of 8, I believe, integrated low hour guys. 7 of them were chopped for reasons such as the above.
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RAFAT, it's up to the training captain. Maybe you should quote the whole sentence next time. Well done for only needing one. I jumpseated for one guy for his first 8 training sectors.
Snigs, like I said, that was the rumour. I have not got an axe to grind. All the trainers I've come across, line and sim, have been spot on, and that includes both current fleets. It was a couple of Dash sim trainers who were trying to make a point. And I believe that they have been removed from their training duties.
Snigs, like I said, that was the rumour. I have not got an axe to grind. All the trainers I've come across, line and sim, have been spot on, and that includes both current fleets. It was a couple of Dash sim trainers who were trying to make a point. And I believe that they have been removed from their training duties.
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Chesty - I've just re-read your earlier post, and now fully understand what you were trying to say : "It's a minimum of 44 sectors, with a covering F/O present for as long as the Training Captain deems necessary."
Missing out the comma after 'sectors' meant that I misinterpreted your sentence, sorry to be pedantic.
By the way, the only reason I had 1 sector with a covering F/O was down to the fact that they had to position someone in to do it, and that person had already worked the earlies at his own base so could only fit 1 sector in, nothing at all to do with 'talent' as I spent the rest of that day in complete bewilderment. That was quite a few years ago though when the Company had absolutely no idea how to train and deal with Approved Course graduates.
With regard to the overly pedantic trainers, the rumour is partially correct, but that happened at least 2 years ago and the guys were simply given a talking to. One has moved fleets and the other is still a DHC8 trainer.
Missing out the comma after 'sectors' meant that I misinterpreted your sentence, sorry to be pedantic.
By the way, the only reason I had 1 sector with a covering F/O was down to the fact that they had to position someone in to do it, and that person had already worked the earlies at his own base so could only fit 1 sector in, nothing at all to do with 'talent' as I spent the rest of that day in complete bewilderment. That was quite a few years ago though when the Company had absolutely no idea how to train and deal with Approved Course graduates.
With regard to the overly pedantic trainers, the rumour is partially correct, but that happened at least 2 years ago and the guys were simply given a talking to. One has moved fleets and the other is still a DHC8 trainer.
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. . . . actually ive heard that its quite easy to get chopped!
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I know of one old F/O who very recently tried every trick in the book to get chopped and it didn't happen
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I know of one old F/O who very recently tried every trick in the book to get chopped and it didn't happen
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Not wishing to hijack thread but does anyone know roughly how many people are going through the initial TR courses at the moment?....still treading water down here!!
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It's amazing how powerful a comma can be. 
Re-read and properly understood.
I'm still amazed at the 1 knot issue though. Did that really happen? Good job that the TRE for my LST was a little more forgiving than that!
RAFAT I'm not sure that he wanted to get chopped, just gave the trainers every opportunity (and more) to wave bye bye! (and yes, I was one of the many covering FO's)
Problem is that at that stage the training money is spent (at least when the covering FO isn't needed), and the company thus want some return. The training Captains really earn their money in situations like that!
Re-read and properly understood.
I'm still amazed at the 1 knot issue though. Did that really happen? Good job that the TRE for my LST was a little more forgiving than that!
RAFAT I'm not sure that he wanted to get chopped, just gave the trainers every opportunity (and more) to wave bye bye! (and yes, I was one of the many covering FO's)
Problem is that at that stage the training money is spent (at least when the covering FO isn't needed), and the company thus want some return. The training Captains really earn their money in situations like that!