The Definitive easyJet T's & C's Thread
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From: Germany
Thatīs a commom published strategy at EZY.
The 737 are not that old, the 737-300 are all phased out.
Somebody got to fly the Boeings. The size of the 737 fleet is in an economic range.
If you have two different fleets working economic, you always have a door open two both manufactures for what ever might happen.
So, itīs a way to go.
The 737 are not that old, the 737-300 are all phased out.
Somebody got to fly the Boeings. The size of the 737 fleet is in an economic range.
If you have two different fleets working economic, you always have a door open two both manufactures for what ever might happen.
So, itīs a way to go.
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The only Boeings Left are the 700's. They are not due to be returned en masse any time soon. Been rumours of ONE or TWO being returned at a get out point in the leases, but just that, RUMOURS. In the mean time those 737's have to be flown and the resources for training on the Boeing have diminished as the Bus becomes the larger fleet. So if either LTN, BFS or NCL were to become airbus then those 73's would have to go somewhere which would mean either a) converting a Bus base to Boeing or b) Opening a new base and making it Boeing, both of those options are hugely expensive and h would stretch an allready over streched training department and with so many Buses on order you will never get a bus base becoming Boeing it just doesnt make sense, and as for moving the Boeings to a new base then you would have the double edged sword of setting up a new base and trying to find the resources to train a whole base worth of new Boeing pilots whilst at the same time converting the base where they have removed the 73's from to bus - just not good business sense.
There has also been the RUMOUR, sense the tone again, that LTN may get ONE or TWO buses and become a dual type base as if ONE or TWO 73's were sent back early then they would need replaced with something and Airbus is all that is available to us. Agian let me stress - RUMOUR.
Also I have, in person, heard management say that it still makes good sense to keep a toe in both manufactures pools as you never know what the future may hold.
When the 73 fleet was a mis of 300's and 700's there was much speculation as to who was next etc etc, but when the last of the 300's departed all such speculation seems to have all but seased and LTN, BFS and NCL can expect to be Boeing until a change in the position of the leases is reached or they expire - which I believe is not for some time.
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There has also been the RUMOUR, sense the tone again, that LTN may get ONE or TWO buses and become a dual type base as if ONE or TWO 73's were sent back early then they would need replaced with something and Airbus is all that is available to us. Agian let me stress - RUMOUR.
Also I have, in person, heard management say that it still makes good sense to keep a toe in both manufactures pools as you never know what the future may hold.
When the 73 fleet was a mis of 300's and 700's there was much speculation as to who was next etc etc, but when the last of the 300's departed all such speculation seems to have all but seased and LTN, BFS and NCL can expect to be Boeing until a change in the position of the leases is reached or they expire - which I believe is not for some time.
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From: uk
Published in the FY results dated 14 Nov 06 it clearly states the future of the 700s.
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This is from a legal document. Clear facts. Not rumour!!!
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This is from a legal document. Clear facts. Not rumour!!!
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From: Germany
I understand, that people asking questions are more interested in the near future and not just in 2009!
Otherwise they would specify that question in this direction!?
And I believe we are in common sense, that until end of 2008, there is no significant change to the BOEING fleet.
A more abrupt change of the fleet strategy would be very questionable due to economic reasons (planningwise!)
Otherwise they would specify that question in this direction!?
And I believe we are in common sense, that until end of 2008, there is no significant change to the BOEING fleet.
A more abrupt change of the fleet strategy would be very questionable due to economic reasons (planningwise!)
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There are thoughts at the EZY BALPA forum.
There is no need, at least for the time being, to have a public discussion.
Important is, which direction the BALPA members want their CC to go!
Oh yes, one thought so, as a lot of new pilots were recruited, it is important, that these guys /girls join BALPA fast!
There is no need, at least for the time being, to have a public discussion.
Important is, which direction the BALPA members want their CC to go!
Oh yes, one thought so, as a lot of new pilots were recruited, it is important, that these guys /girls join BALPA fast!
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Kraut - I think you are wrong on this. I think it is important to let people know of the cr@@p that management in ezy is pulling at the moment. To let possible new joiners know how things really are in easyjet. Don't you? Or do you think they should only come here based on "information" from the orange propaganda machine?
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What 'crap' is being pulled at the moment?
At my base people are generally quite happy since last year.
Yes, we want a pay rise to reflect our productivity, and it would be nice to eventually get a 4-3-5-4 roster, but generally things seem okay.
As a Captain, I am not working too hard at the moment (60-80 hours per month), the pay is good, and I've not had a change to my published roster(bar the odd standby call-out) for over six months.
I am dubious about some commercial decisions, but my terms and conditions as a skipper are better than most others in the industry.
At my base people are generally quite happy since last year.
Yes, we want a pay rise to reflect our productivity, and it would be nice to eventually get a 4-3-5-4 roster, but generally things seem okay.
As a Captain, I am not working too hard at the moment (60-80 hours per month), the pay is good, and I've not had a change to my published roster(bar the odd standby call-out) for over six months.
I am dubious about some commercial decisions, but my terms and conditions as a skipper are better than most others in the industry.
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Dunlop, I have taken the liberty of copying a post of yours from last week.
Just so we are all clear can you confirm which point of view you prefer this week?
Don't do it unless you're absolutely sure you really love flying aeroplanes.
You'll be busy, working up to 12 hour shifts with only 12 hours rest in between, day on day.
The pay does not reflect the responsibilty of the job when compared to other professions.
The only thing that offsets all this is that if you're aerosexually-oriented... you'll want to be up there in the sky as much as possible (even if you kid yourself that you don't). On your days off (having moaned that you could have done with a couple more days rest) you'll be missing the flying. You'll get a buzz out of seeing so many different sunrises and sunsets, you'll enjoy the challenge of difficult weather conditions and you'll crave for technical problems to solve. You'll enjoy being sat at the threshold watching 747's swoop over you as they land.
If the paragraph above doesn't describe the way you feel about airliners / flying, then I would suggest that you shouldn't throw away what you have. It IS a very big gamble with no guarantee of success. The only way you will succeed is if you have that OBSESSION with flying aeroplanes
You'll be busy, working up to 12 hour shifts with only 12 hours rest in between, day on day.
The pay does not reflect the responsibilty of the job when compared to other professions.
The only thing that offsets all this is that if you're aerosexually-oriented... you'll want to be up there in the sky as much as possible (even if you kid yourself that you don't). On your days off (having moaned that you could have done with a couple more days rest) you'll be missing the flying. You'll get a buzz out of seeing so many different sunrises and sunsets, you'll enjoy the challenge of difficult weather conditions and you'll crave for technical problems to solve. You'll enjoy being sat at the threshold watching 747's swoop over you as they land.
If the paragraph above doesn't describe the way you feel about airliners / flying, then I would suggest that you shouldn't throw away what you have. It IS a very big gamble with no guarantee of success. The only way you will succeed is if you have that OBSESSION with flying aeroplanes
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From: In my own world
That thread you are quoting is nothing to do with easyJet though is it.
Try reading all the post and you'll see that the point I'm making in that thread is not about me having a crappy lifestyle, it's about people changing their careers...
I was making it clear that if you want to fly then you have to be prepared to put up with such conditions, and if not then one should leave the job openings to aerosexuals like me who have worked hard to get here.
Of course I want to get better t's and c's at easyJet, but as Companies go, easyJet at the moment is pretty damn good. I've been here for 7 years and believe me this is the best it has been.
Apology accepted in advance.
Try reading all the post and you'll see that the point I'm making in that thread is not about me having a crappy lifestyle, it's about people changing their careers...
I was making it clear that if you want to fly then you have to be prepared to put up with such conditions, and if not then one should leave the job openings to aerosexuals like me who have worked hard to get here.
Of course I want to get better t's and c's at easyJet, but as Companies go, easyJet at the moment is pretty damn good. I've been here for 7 years and believe me this is the best it has been.
Apology accepted in advance.
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Can anyone provide information on the Easyjet fast track command process if they have been through it or can just help with info.
I have been on the website, and know the requirements for recruitment generally and for the fast track but would just like further info looking ahead to the autumn.
JR
I have been on the website, and know the requirements for recruitment generally and for the fast track but would just like further info looking ahead to the autumn.
JR
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What type of crap?
What are you toalking about?
I heard MC sent a very strange email to all pilots stating that all pilots are happy and that balpa is not rappresenting everybody (and I guess if you read between the lines he meant Balpa is not rappresentative of the general opinion).
Are you talking about this?
Why aren't you happy with a 3% rise (when the rpi is around 4.5% at the moment)?
Nobody is leaving, isn't? so the conditions must be good, maybe too good from a mngmt point of view...
And what about Ory, Mxp and Mad, no problems there?
Then from MC email it seems you pilots are well treated that's why he gave you a big thank you!!!
And what about trying to dived pilots who are Balpa and pilots who are not balpa members, and who are based in Europe and who are based in Uk.
To me it seems is not a people director but a people dittator..
watch out and read carefully that letter..
HA
I heard MC sent a very strange email to all pilots stating that all pilots are happy and that balpa is not rappresenting everybody (and I guess if you read between the lines he meant Balpa is not rappresentative of the general opinion).
Are you talking about this?
Why aren't you happy with a 3% rise (when the rpi is around 4.5% at the moment)?
Nobody is leaving, isn't? so the conditions must be good, maybe too good from a mngmt point of view...
And what about Ory, Mxp and Mad, no problems there?
Then from MC email it seems you pilots are well treated that's why he gave you a big thank you!!!
And what about trying to dived pilots who are Balpa and pilots who are not balpa members, and who are based in Europe and who are based in Uk.
To me it seems is not a people director but a people dittator..
watch out and read carefully that letter..
HA
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Yes that latest e-mail is the usual management b@##;hit, trying to pretend the company arn't in a strong position at the moment finance wise, which is rubbish, and that we should all be happy campers ( because pulse says so ).
Join BALPA anyone who hasn't , and let the company know what you really think....
WBV
Join BALPA anyone who hasn't , and let the company know what you really think....
WBV
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THATS what Im talking about kraut, have you missed what these guys are talking about??? We should be VERY carefull with this management...
The letter that came out is total cr@@p!
Join BALPA NOW if you are not already a member!!
orange
The letter that came out is total cr@@p!
Join BALPA NOW if you are not already a member!!
orange
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Hi, Orangedriver,
read my post again. I said...for the time being.........
I agree totally:
-the letter from MC brought my bloodpressure high!
-you got to be very careful with every management
-recruiting BALPA members, this time again very important, because we got a lot of new pilots, which may have still an orange view!
But, my point, lets run the guns when needed. Maybe soon!?
read my post again. I said...for the time being.........
I agree totally:
-the letter from MC brought my bloodpressure high!
-you got to be very careful with every management
-recruiting BALPA members, this time again very important, because we got a lot of new pilots, which may have still an orange view!
But, my point, lets run the guns when needed. Maybe soon!?
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Dunlop,
I agree with you, things are generally fine, or have been up until now.
Pay is, at the moment, good but pensions are not.
The company if forecasting a nice profit (with potentially big bonuses for management) thanks, in part to, we providing a higher productivity than most other airlines.
And, still, we are not closer of making Ezy a career-airline....
If not now, then when?
So, in light of the above, NO thanks to a pay cut!
I agree with you, things are generally fine, or have been up until now.
Pay is, at the moment, good but pensions are not.
The company if forecasting a nice profit (with potentially big bonuses for management) thanks, in part to, we providing a higher productivity than most other airlines.
And, still, we are not closer of making Ezy a career-airline....
If not now, then when?
So, in light of the above, NO thanks to a pay cut!
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From: el quinto pino
If you join as type rated 737 and are then transferred onto the airbus (due to company requirements) are you then bonded? Just asking in case they phase out the boeings a couple of years from now.
PS What is the current bond?
PS What is the current bond?
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From: el quinto pino
How many of the 30 remaining 737s are at each of BFS, NCL and LTN? I'm considering applying as a direct entry 737 F/O with around 2500 hours and I'm wondering about future upgrade opportunities when they downsize to 18 73s in 2009. Thanks for the inside info guys.