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Old 22nd Sep 2006, 10:44
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Question Pilot Shortage

Apparently there is supposed to be a "Worldwide Pilot Shortage".........

Where exactly is this shortage

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Old 22nd Sep 2006, 11:24
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There is a shortage - of sorts. A shortage of pilots with 1000s of hrs on type - which a lot of employers seem to want. As they aren't finding these pilots, one can only expect that their minimun requirements will have to decrease if they are going to fill those seats.

India and China are going to need large numbers of pilots soon, so it may have not filtered through to the lower levels of experience yet. One good thing is that the number of companies offering jobs where you have to pay for your own rating are reducing. If pilots stopped taking these jobs they will dissapear altogether!
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Old 22nd Sep 2006, 11:44
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Well guys, Just heard that EZY are asking their existing pilot work force if they can 'recommend a friend' to join their ranks. Just one example of the improving job market. Things are definitely looking a great deal brighter than they were just 12 months ago. Best of luck.
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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 01:10
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I dont think there will ever be a shortage!

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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 04:06
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There is no shortage of pilots; but there is a shortage of current [within 1-year] and qualified [5000 hrs total heavy jet, 500 hrs PIC on type] pilots.
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I think China-Airlines is training 500 pilots over next 5 years in Canada. Becoming a pilot is quite easy now, with schools offering the full rating packages in 9 months.
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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 06:35
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Originally Posted by FlyinLow View Post
I think China-Airlines is training 500 pilots over next 5 years in Canada. Becoming a pilot is quite easy now, with schools offering the full rating packages in 9 months.

At what cost???????


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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 12:52
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Well guys, Just heard that EZY are asking their existing pilot work force if they can 'recommend a friend' to join their ranks. Just one example of the improving job market. Things are definitely looking a great deal brighter than they were just 12 months ago. Best of luck.
I do not have a "friend " at Easy, but they did not accept my application,although, I have 2600 TT, 2000 JAR 25 T, 1600 Jet wide-body T.
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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 13:33
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I got a reject, PFO EM recently. I phoned up to ask why, as I met all the criteria they asked for. Zoe told me to go back into the application form and review VERY carefully what I had written as if you do not for example, insert the dates correctly, say you wrote 1.1.70 instead of 01/01/1970, it throws the sysem out and you automatically get a "rejected" EM.
Also review the reason why you want to join Easy.

I reapplied and did not get a rejected EM this this around.
Try again and see how it goes.

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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 15:29
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When did you guys get rejected?? Think you should apply again....just a tip...
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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 17:04
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easy recommending

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Well guys, Just heard that EZY are asking their existing pilot work force if they can 'recommend a friend' to join their ranks......
Anyone to recommend me then?
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Old 23rd Sep 2006, 19:14
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Of course you can be 'unrecommended' too. A few years ago I attended an RAF reunion. A few of us started talking about easyJet's recruitment practices. Putting two and two together we concluded that a former colleague who was not present but flew for easyJet had been spiking our applications. Apparently he was neutralising potential political threats.

Difficult to prove of course but someone who was thoroughly sly and duplicitous twenty years ago probably hadn't changed his spots.
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Old 24th Sep 2006, 00:16
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Yarpy

It's not just the ex-RAF types who do that. An ex-RN colleague tried it with an application of mine which backfired in a major way on him and his crony. Strange how it seems to be the ex service people who do it most often.

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Old 24th Sep 2006, 02:00
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Where's the shortage? Definitely not here in the US.
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Old 24th Sep 2006, 07:55
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Specific Shortages.!

Dan and GlueBal, you are both dead right.

There has always been misconceptions about pilot shortages.

Southeast Asia for instance, is flooded with Airlines which have increased their fleets dramatically in the last few years and are looking for Experienced, Type Rated and Current pilots to crew their planes.

Hopefully that short term shortage will filter down to the lower end, low time pilots in the near future.

Good luck to all..
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Old 24th Sep 2006, 09:18
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The shortage is here in Finland more exactly Finnair, Finncomm, Air Finland and so on. That's where it's at.

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Old 24th Sep 2006, 11:16
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Every few months somebody comes up with pilot shortage. In a sense I guess it is a bit of wishfull thinking, more then anything else. I strongly believe that there will never ever, ever, be a lack of pilots, because there are just to many walking around without a job. Every handling agent I talk to seems to have a cpl these days. Everyone who brings me the loadsheet seems to pop the question: how do I get in your company. We are talking about 4000 unemployed fully licensed pilots in my country alone. Offcourse they are lowtimers, and that doesn't seem to count.

If you would put experience in 3 groups:
- lowtime <200 hours, no airline experience
- medium commuter experience, or jet job, 1000\2000 hours fo
- hightime pic 5000 hours jet experience

Now the hightime guys are always in demand. They were even in demand right after sept11. The lowtime are never in demand and never will. No pilot shortage there. In the words of my manager: I kick a rock and there are 10 lowtimers crawling from underneath it!

The real winners are the medium experience guys. I have seen myself in the last year go from not interesting c.v., to invitations from mayor airlines which I would never have dreamed off. But people are still paying for typeratings, even those with experience. And salaries are still generally crap, not speaking of the working hours. So I wonder how desperate the companies really are. If pilots are in such short supply, then they should lurk us with nice jobs, good salaries and fine working conditions. I have not seen that as yet......
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Old 25th Sep 2006, 12:24
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Pontious, you have just reminded me. The bloke in question was ex RN.

Actually, he did me a favour by all accounts.
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Old 25th Sep 2006, 20:22
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Easy?

Becoming a pilot is quite easy now, with schools offering the full rating packages in 9 months.
Becoming a pilot is never easy - remaining a pilot is even harder - being a good pilot takes years of training, experience and listening to those who have been there, done it, got the T-Shirt.
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Old 27th Sep 2006, 12:45
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The shortage of pilots exists but is in specific areas, as the man said. Experienced and type rated - well I have never had so many possibilities. My current company has all the CVs it can deal with but the shortage is for captains and especially type rated ones. We have even started to take very experience, type rated SFOs as direct entry captains. Notwithstanding the current security nonsense, it is a great time to be in the industry.
PS My quality of life has taken a great leap forward since leaving EZY. Their 'recommend a friend' is not new but even when I was there, I asked a lot of questions of people who expressed a desire to join. The life there suits some people but definitely not all.
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