GB Announcement 1st March (Crew thread)
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This thread is going over to Terms & Endearment where you can speculate to your hearts content about the future of GB/BA etc. However, I'd like to ask all the wannabe airline CEO's and other assorted enthusiasts to refrain from degrading this thread into another spotters wishlist of what aircraft they's like to see doing what routes. 
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how many times......
Route swap with BA.
Longer BA Gatwick routes like Izmir, Reykjavik, Varna etc will become GB operations. A320s are much more efficient on these sectors, particularly as BA's 737-400s are payload limited on the return ADB-LGW sectors etc and have limitations on payload on KEF due to diversion alternates.
In return, short GB routes like Nantes and Montpellier will move to BA in return. BA can also use 737-500s on these routes to grow flight frequency and maintain year-round service which is not viable with the A320.
One set of LHR slots to be sold to BA. Double-daily Malaga and single Casablanca to be maintained, the daily LHR/Faro will disappear and be replaced with an extra frequency ex LGW.
Route swap with BA.
Longer BA Gatwick routes like Izmir, Reykjavik, Varna etc will become GB operations. A320s are much more efficient on these sectors, particularly as BA's 737-400s are payload limited on the return ADB-LGW sectors etc and have limitations on payload on KEF due to diversion alternates.
In return, short GB routes like Nantes and Montpellier will move to BA in return. BA can also use 737-500s on these routes to grow flight frequency and maintain year-round service which is not viable with the A320.
One set of LHR slots to be sold to BA. Double-daily Malaga and single Casablanca to be maintained, the daily LHR/Faro will disappear and be replaced with an extra frequency ex LGW.
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newbagr Bacon staff were told that things were going well when they started the Buy on Board service how it was saving millions for the company hmmm GB do that service now!!!!!
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guys i do undestand you are upset and frustrated of what happened to BAcon though pls no point in being vindictive and trying to take it out on us! you cant really spread rumours of what you d wish to happen!
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guys in your wildest BACON dreams lets just say it happened and you keep quoting how bad it was for those it happened to (which it was)
well to those it happened to, they were not in the NSP, yes I keep coming back to those 3 magic little letters. these mean that in the same way MAN base was closed and the staff were in NSP, they were allowed to transfer to LHR WW - please remember LGW IS NOW A MAINLINE BASE!!!
true, all LGW staff could be made redundant, but that isnt possible within 3 months of BA hiring crew (which they are doing now), also BA is about to start a campaign of hiring crew for summer at LHR WW so again this would be illegal, also it would have to be done on last in first out under the NSP, so some crew who are now at LHR would be made redundant before more senior LGW crew!!!
guys stop getting your little knickers in a twist, trying to make yourselves feel better by hoping what happened to you happens to others, if you want to know what is happening on 1st march - check flightriders post on here
well to those it happened to, they were not in the NSP, yes I keep coming back to those 3 magic little letters. these mean that in the same way MAN base was closed and the staff were in NSP, they were allowed to transfer to LHR WW - please remember LGW IS NOW A MAINLINE BASE!!!
true, all LGW staff could be made redundant, but that isnt possible within 3 months of BA hiring crew (which they are doing now), also BA is about to start a campaign of hiring crew for summer at LHR WW so again this would be illegal, also it would have to be done on last in first out under the NSP, so some crew who are now at LHR would be made redundant before more senior LGW crew!!!
guys stop getting your little knickers in a twist, trying to make yourselves feel better by hoping what happened to you happens to others, if you want to know what is happening on 1st march - check flightriders post on here
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Smell the coffee
Come on guys smell the coffee 
You are working the system and failing and playing into the presses hands........lets just see what happens over the next few days. After we are all grown ups ??????????????? or am i WRONG.
You are working the system and failing and playing into the presses hands........lets just see what happens over the next few days. After we are all grown ups ??????????????? or am i WRONG.
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When people have commented about "NSP" and such-like, BA have unique status in the UK in that there is an agreement that no one holding a BA Main Line contract will be made redundant without first being offered a job elsewhere in the company!
BACON was different as nearly all staff were employed under "BA Regional" or "BA CityFlyer Express" contracts. The handful who are on BA Mainline contracts do have the right to be offered redeployment and AFAIK these discussions with their TU reps are on-going, but as with everything else in BA, they need to fight to get this agreement honoured!
The BA Board are very proud of the fact that no one at British Airways plc has ever been made redundant and are very unlikely to let Willie Walsh rescind that agreement.
Most operational staff at BA LGW who joined prior to 2003 are on BA MAINLINE contracts which means that they would have to be offered redeployment elsewhere in the company, or accept a new contract under the Transfer of Undertaking agreement. Once again, British Airways plc is not just going to offer this on a plate - the guys will need to slug it out through their TU reps!
Those who joined after 2003 will find their contract is held with either BA - Gatwick and Regional or BA City Express and these guys could have something to be concerned about!
The Flying Staff on the other hand are not as they accepted new BA LGW contracts when the "Mid Fleet" agreement was made.
Just one example of why BA needs to hang on to its Trades Union for dear life!
BACON was different as nearly all staff were employed under "BA Regional" or "BA CityFlyer Express" contracts. The handful who are on BA Mainline contracts do have the right to be offered redeployment and AFAIK these discussions with their TU reps are on-going, but as with everything else in BA, they need to fight to get this agreement honoured!
The BA Board are very proud of the fact that no one at British Airways plc has ever been made redundant and are very unlikely to let Willie Walsh rescind that agreement.
Most operational staff at BA LGW who joined prior to 2003 are on BA MAINLINE contracts which means that they would have to be offered redeployment elsewhere in the company, or accept a new contract under the Transfer of Undertaking agreement. Once again, British Airways plc is not just going to offer this on a plate - the guys will need to slug it out through their TU reps!
Those who joined after 2003 will find their contract is held with either BA - Gatwick and Regional or BA City Express and these guys could have something to be concerned about!
The Flying Staff on the other hand are not as they accepted new BA LGW contracts when the "Mid Fleet" agreement was made.
Just one example of why BA needs to hang on to its Trades Union for dear life!
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"no one holding a BA Main Line contract will be made redundant without first being offered a job elsewhere in the company! "
Now it is possible to be mistaken about assumptions made here. This is why Willie had to find a buyer for BACON. If he had just closed it down, then as a subsiduary, the workforce at BACON would have been entitled to the same protection. In law, you cannot make someone redundant in one part of a company whilst recruiting in another including a subsiduary. This is the reason why the cadets which were not required by BA mainline post 9/11 were slotted into Citiexpress and remained there for nearly 2 years.
Also be aware that a job elsewhere in the company is not necessarily as a pilot, it could be check in, baggage handling....etc
Someone else sai " you guys need to wake up and smell the coffee"!
The aviation world has changed and Willie is here for one reason only. He has the will and the intricate knowledge of employment law to do a Thatcher.
wait and see
Now it is possible to be mistaken about assumptions made here. This is why Willie had to find a buyer for BACON. If he had just closed it down, then as a subsiduary, the workforce at BACON would have been entitled to the same protection. In law, you cannot make someone redundant in one part of a company whilst recruiting in another including a subsiduary. This is the reason why the cadets which were not required by BA mainline post 9/11 were slotted into Citiexpress and remained there for nearly 2 years.
Also be aware that a job elsewhere in the company is not necessarily as a pilot, it could be check in, baggage handling....etc
Someone else sai " you guys need to wake up and smell the coffee"!
The aviation world has changed and Willie is here for one reason only. He has the will and the intricate knowledge of employment law to do a Thatcher.
wait and see
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aspaceman, more like alemonman.....you are soooo bitter its untrue
just cos you have been f****d over it doesnt mean the rest of BA has to be.
LGW is a British Airways Mainline base, not some tinpot regional affair that you belonged to.
Get over yourself, your BACON is starting to smell!!!
just cos you have been f****d over it doesnt mean the rest of BA has to be.
LGW is a British Airways Mainline base, not some tinpot regional affair that you belonged to.
Get over yourself, your BACON is starting to smell!!!
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ooooh! Sony Bitttter or what?
Remember that to LHR, Gatwick SFG is a tinpot regional affair that.....!
PS
I left Citiexpress 4 years ago to work at L... before it all went tits up
Remember that to LHR, Gatwick SFG is a tinpot regional affair that.....!
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I left Citiexpress 4 years ago to work at L... before it all went tits up
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Originally Posted by aspaceman
This is the reason why the cadets which were not required by BA mainline post 9/11 were slotted into Citiexpress and remained there for nearly 2 years.
it is possible to be mistaken about assumptions made here
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Carnage Matey
As everyone tries to keep telling our little space cadet, all the regions were not on mainline BA contracts. You have told him, I have told him, about another 30 posts on this thread have told him......
As everyone tries to keep telling our little space cadet, all the regions were not on mainline BA contracts. You have told him, I have told him, about another 30 posts on this thread have told him......
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Hmmmmmm
Quoting aspaceman
"Longhaul not part of the deal - Operated by LHR based crew with existing crew transferred to LHR"
All cabin crew at LGW now fly Long and Short Haul. If this (doubtful) outcome were to come to pass how would they choose which crew stayed at GB and which crew transferred to LHR?
They are all one fleet now. Sorry but this sounds like a crock!
"Longhaul not part of the deal - Operated by LHR based crew with existing crew transferred to LHR"
All cabin crew at LGW now fly Long and Short Haul. If this (doubtful) outcome were to come to pass how would they choose which crew stayed at GB and which crew transferred to LHR?
They are all one fleet now. Sorry but this sounds like a crock!