Pilots leaveing City Jet turns into a flood
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Bottom line is they don't give a sh*t about us.Any normal company would be up in arms with postings on pprune with such venim.
Why should they give a sh*t. A normal company would buy a sim for itself to make the company more profitable. And perhaps,maybe perhaps give their employee's a pay rise.But not this crowd. Lets buy a sim for ourselves and rent it to the company and pocket the profits.
The more people leave the busier the sim and the more money we'll make!Why should they give a **** about us?
This goes for everything in cityjet.From hireing contract pilots to booking your rooms. See its all about getting a bigger piece of the cake.
And what about the Air France board???Well they either dont care,have their hands in the city jet cake as well or emmensely stupid,or dont know. Well if they dont know its up to us through IALPA and the Air France pilots union to make sure they know.And if nobody cares by then it really is time to get out!!!!!!Support IALPA and the meetings that are about to start.
Why should they give a sh*t. A normal company would buy a sim for itself to make the company more profitable. And perhaps,maybe perhaps give their employee's a pay rise.But not this crowd. Lets buy a sim for ourselves and rent it to the company and pocket the profits.
The more people leave the busier the sim and the more money we'll make!Why should they give a **** about us?
This goes for everything in cityjet.From hireing contract pilots to booking your rooms. See its all about getting a bigger piece of the cake.
And what about the Air France board???Well they either dont care,have their hands in the city jet cake as well or emmensely stupid,or dont know. Well if they dont know its up to us through IALPA and the Air France pilots union to make sure they know.And if nobody cares by then it really is time to get out!!!!!!Support IALPA and the meetings that are about to start.
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Well done Echo 97 I think you covered everything, the level of apathy is incredible in the company, I heard that only two pilots turned up to a recent "Pilots Information Meeting" in Dublin.
Management are in for a big shock, Last Man out turn out the Lights...
Management are in for a big shock, Last Man out turn out the Lights...
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the decay continues...
Sounds like the worst of several worlds, the military and sales people ( sorry – aviation consultants ). I cant think of a less desirable situation. The military are a strange animal, not unlike the sales creature just less predictable… basically adopt an upper class delboy attitude and forget all safety if it get in the way of getting the job done and your sorted 
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Is it true that if you were a Capt in the Aer Corp you dont need to do command checks on a civilian airliner and are automatically put in the CityJet left seat as a god given right?
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Mass exodus at CityJet...
Well I find it hard to believe, my application has been turned down for the third time, have not even had a chance to demonstrate anything...
BTW my background is TP F/O 1200ish with an air taxi company...
any comment from the inside?
Well I find it hard to believe, my application has been turned down for the third time, have not even had a chance to demonstrate anything...
BTW my background is TP F/O 1200ish with an air taxi company...
any comment from the inside?
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I've just spent the last hour reading all the messages of that thread and I feel like my arms are falling off.
I didn't realize the pilots' situation was that bad in CityJet and I thank you all for your inputs that will sure open our eyes wider.
Well I don't know if AF knows as much as I seem to have learned tonight, but rest assured that we will make them react!
Things are going to have to change.
I didn't realize the pilots' situation was that bad in CityJet and I thank you all for your inputs that will sure open our eyes wider.
Well I don't know if AF knows as much as I seem to have learned tonight, but rest assured that we will make them react!
Things are going to have to change.
Some creative accounting,with expenses accounts,starting at the top,and working its way down the line ,i guess in the over all view of things its small money,but from our end it feels alot more when our pay is LOW,very hard to get money back for using our own phones for the company{AF} ,over night expenses have not gone up in 8 years,sector pay is low, No holiday pay.And treated like crap bye 21 year old crewer- backed bye managment.All the hard work was done in this Co a long time before this management team came to power[ dictatorship ] AF should have a better team in control , bye there actions it rubs off on AF and makes AF look as bad as them,the parent Co treat there people alot better i know that.
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ds, and to think these people had some to do with our countrys security,God help us,these people are of such low character they would prob sell our country out first,could not see them doing the right thing,Now they are selling out city jet for there own gain.
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Echo 97 an excellent post.
I think you covered almost everything, but what about the 20 year old Dunnes shelf stackers who give you loads of attitude because you point out that the duty is in fact illegal in relation to a book called Part A, or am i asking too much that these people actually open the book and learn what a duty period is and how it is calculated...Oh i'm sorry of course there's no shared responsibility, it's up to the crew to make sure that they are within hours..........
And as for the Smiling Assassin....there are so many things 'Being looked into' i don't know where to start.
I'd love to know the amount of sickleave in the last 12 months, i'd say Cityjet is catching up with the Aer Corps!! (Wonder Why?)
Time for a change me thinks
I think you covered almost everything, but what about the 20 year old Dunnes shelf stackers who give you loads of attitude because you point out that the duty is in fact illegal in relation to a book called Part A, or am i asking too much that these people actually open the book and learn what a duty period is and how it is calculated...Oh i'm sorry of course there's no shared responsibility, it's up to the crew to make sure that they are within hours..........
And as for the Smiling Assassin....there are so many things 'Being looked into' i don't know where to start.
I'd love to know the amount of sickleave in the last 12 months, i'd say Cityjet is catching up with the Aer Corps!! (Wonder Why?)
Time for a change me thinks
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As they say in your parts they sound like a bunch of gob-sh@tes. Hope after the 31st Jan the other gob-sh@tes with the blue / yellow colours might be worth you considering.At the moment CityJet sounds as bad, as MOL dreams of making Ryanair.
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Wow....I had no idea it was so bad over there. Alan D..y emailed me again a few weeks ago asking if I was still interested in a Captain position. From what I have heard from Cityjet pilots combined with all of the lies I have been told by Alan D..y & Mr. Reg..n, I think I'm done pursuing a job with this airline.
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Thats it in a nutshell Echo 97
But you forgot the massive bonus that air France gave cityjet, Britair and Regional, Only we all heard about it from the Britair pilots and only after a bit of an uproar did the BIG 3 Grudgingly give us all a crumb.
As for the training when I joined it was first lets fly the Aircraft then worry about the sops now its ... " well that was a landing but you calls were excellent well done"
Line cks where saying "Checked and set" instead of "set and checked" IS a failing offense!
We have pilots refusing to comply with ATC speed request not for Airframe limitations but in case the FDR gets pulled and its discovered that xxxxx flew at 280 kts / M .66 to Bhx they rather fly at .65 and get Vectored for an extra 25 nm!!!!!!
a " friend " of mine in recruting in a certin Low cost carrier told me there has being at least 25 cityjet CVs sent in, July - Dec 2006.
And yes one of them is mine!!
But you forgot the massive bonus that air France gave cityjet, Britair and Regional, Only we all heard about it from the Britair pilots and only after a bit of an uproar did the BIG 3 Grudgingly give us all a crumb.
As for the training when I joined it was first lets fly the Aircraft then worry about the sops now its ... " well that was a
landing but you calls were excellent well done" Line cks where saying "Checked and set" instead of "set and checked" IS a failing offense!
We have pilots refusing to comply with ATC speed request not for Airframe limitations but in case the FDR gets pulled and its discovered that xxxxx flew at 280 kts / M .66 to Bhx they rather fly at .65 and get Vectored for an extra 25 nm!!!!!!
a " friend " of mine in recruting in a certin Low cost carrier told me there has being at least 25 cityjet CVs sent in, July - Dec 2006.
And yes one of them is mine!!
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Look what I got this morning!!!
18th January 2007
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>Dear CityJet Pilot,
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>
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>As a follow on from my letter in November (copy attached in this
>e-mail) I wish to advise you of forthcoming meetings for all Cityjet
>pilots. The purpose of these meetings will be to inform you (members
>and non-members alike) as to the options available to resolve your
>professional and industrial grievances. I have also included in this
>e-mail a copy of the registered letter sent to Mr Geoffrey White CEO
>Cityjet, to-date I have not received a reply.
>
>
>
>The objective of pursuing a common document which clearly outlines
>the
>terms and conditions of employment of all Cityjet pilots can be a
>daunting process particularly in a democratic organisation such as
>IALPA. However, such a process must be completed prior to us making
>proposals to Cityjet or an independent party. To commence this
>process
>and provide a focus for an informed debate I include a draft
>proposal
>document of terms and conditions for Cityjet pilots. This document
>will be referred to as the Cityjet Pilot Agreement (CPA). It is
>envisaged that this draft document will be debated and consequently
>amended at the meetings.
>
>
>
>It is also intended that a confidential election of officers from
>amongst the Cityjet pilot body will take place at the forthcoming
>meetings. These elected officers will advise and direct IALPA on
>policy in representing the interests of Cityjet pilots. Further
>details of this confidential election process will be articulated at
>the meetings. In summary, a ballot paper containing all the names of
>Cityjet pilots will be published. All Cityjet pilots will then be
>invited to vote 1-5 in order of their choice. The result of the
>ballot
>will be retained as confidential to IALPA officers and legal
>advisors
>until such time as the successful candidates choose to reveal their
>identities.
>
>
>
>Once again let me emphasise that all Cityjet pilots, both members
>and
>non-members, are welcome to the meetings.
>
>
>
>Yours sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________
>
>Captain Evan Cullen
>
>President
>
>Irish Airline Pilots' Association
VIVA LA RELEVOLUTION !!!!!!!!!
PROBLEM IS WHO WILL HAVE THE BALLS TO TURN UP
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>
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>Dear CityJet Pilot,
>
>
>
>As a follow on from my letter in November (copy attached in this
>e-mail) I wish to advise you of forthcoming meetings for all Cityjet
>pilots. The purpose of these meetings will be to inform you (members
>and non-members alike) as to the options available to resolve your
>professional and industrial grievances. I have also included in this
>e-mail a copy of the registered letter sent to Mr Geoffrey White CEO
>Cityjet, to-date I have not received a reply.
>
>
>
>The objective of pursuing a common document which clearly outlines
>the
>terms and conditions of employment of all Cityjet pilots can be a
>daunting process particularly in a democratic organisation such as
>IALPA. However, such a process must be completed prior to us making
>proposals to Cityjet or an independent party. To commence this
>process
>and provide a focus for an informed debate I include a draft
>proposal
>document of terms and conditions for Cityjet pilots. This document
>will be referred to as the Cityjet Pilot Agreement (CPA). It is
>envisaged that this draft document will be debated and consequently
>amended at the meetings.
>
>
>
>It is also intended that a confidential election of officers from
>amongst the Cityjet pilot body will take place at the forthcoming
>meetings. These elected officers will advise and direct IALPA on
>policy in representing the interests of Cityjet pilots. Further
>details of this confidential election process will be articulated at
>the meetings. In summary, a ballot paper containing all the names of
>Cityjet pilots will be published. All Cityjet pilots will then be
>invited to vote 1-5 in order of their choice. The result of the
>ballot
>will be retained as confidential to IALPA officers and legal
>advisors
>until such time as the successful candidates choose to reveal their
>identities.
>
>
>
>Once again let me emphasise that all Cityjet pilots, both members
>and
>non-members, are welcome to the meetings.
>
>
>
>Yours sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________
>
>Captain Evan Cullen
>
>President
>
>Irish Airline Pilots' Association
VIVA LA RELEVOLUTION !!!!!!!!!
PROBLEM IS WHO WILL HAVE THE BALLS TO TURN UP
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Congratulations on your first step toward self respect,from your colleagues in ryanair.As we have learned here,the pilots may not turn up to the initial meeting,but sure as night follows day they will come running when they feel the pinch later.well done to all those brave enough to stand up for themselves.you will succeed!
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Sure all they need is 51% to sign the CAP form and theyl go ahead, doesnt really matter how many goes to the meeting does it? Will there be more paris sigs or dub sigs?! Could be promising!
