FlyBe to acquire BA Connect (Crew thread - no spotters)
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MAN-JFK will stay with BA mainline, crewed from LHR.
LCY-EDI will almost certainly become a subsidiary as I can't see Mainline reopening the Scottish Base. However if A318s appear, they may have to (or have a direct report to LCY for the LHR crews - there is already an equivalent agreement for LHR crews to report to LGW.)
LCY-EDI will almost certainly become a subsidiary as I can't see Mainline reopening the Scottish Base. However if A318s appear, they may have to (or have a direct report to LCY for the LHR crews - there is already an equivalent agreement for LHR crews to report to LGW.)
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Good luck to all at BACON. Hope things work out okay.
5+ years ago we had Brymon, Manx / BRAL, CityFlyer, etc. Not perfect, but in general they were headed by management teams who were totally focussed on their markets in a minute level of detail, and were successful as a result.
As soon as BA started dismantling those 'focussed' management teams, the days were numbered. The London-centric approach was always going to prevail in the end.
5+ years ago we had Brymon, Manx / BRAL, CityFlyer, etc. Not perfect, but in general they were headed by management teams who were totally focussed on their markets in a minute level of detail, and were successful as a result.
As soon as BA started dismantling those 'focussed' management teams, the days were numbered. The London-centric approach was always going to prevail in the end.
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Flybe have paid for todays deal with 15% of their own company.
What have they got in return?
Some planes...........and some planes leases
Some routes........... these are free
Some engineering and ground stuff.....they already have most of what they'll need.
loads of pilots...........which they need for the planes they've ordered.
anything else?
What have they got in return?
Some planes...........and some planes leases
Some routes........... these are free
Some engineering and ground stuff.....they already have most of what they'll need.
loads of pilots...........which they need for the planes they've ordered.
anything else?
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Loganair must be next to go, as the only airline left flying around in turboprops in BA colours the writing must surely be on the wall. Also CEO Jim Camerons decision to 'move on' this week coming on the back of dismal recent performance by LC and Scortt Griers promise to replace SAAB 340 with 50 seat aircraft and BA Connect going to have a few spare Dash 8's....its all a bit too cosy for comfort.
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Why do they always do this on a Friday?
What is happening to the people in BA Connect?
We will be discussing this planned share sale with the trade unions that represent all of the employees at BA Connect.
The main point as far as BA Connect employees are concerned is that this is a share sale so the company remains as it is now. The only exception to that is that at or around the time of the share sale BA Plc will be moving the RJ aircraft, their pilots and and the LCY line engineers into a new wholly owned subsidiary of BA Plc, to serve LCY routes. There will also be some opportunities for BA Connect cabin crew and head office staff to join this new LCY subsidiary.
FLIGHT CREW: All flight crew will remain employed by BA Connect Ltd and the new owner has indicated that they wish to retain all BA Connect flight crew. Flybe will operate over 70 aircraft in the new organisation and has further growth plans. Flybe believe that this will create long term employment opportunities with fast track promotion to command an option for many. Flybe is confident that over 30 BA Connect First Officers will be promoted to Commanders within the first year.
As the RJ fleet of aircraft does not form part of the sale, RJ pilots will move to the new London City business and the proposal for the RJ flight crew is that they will be based in Edinburgh.
Discussions will take place with those staff and their representatives to consider the personal impact of this.
CABIN CREW: All cabin crew will remain employed by BA Connect and again the new owner has indicated that they wish to retain all BA Connect cabin crew. However, there will be a requirement for cabin crew in the new LCY business. It is envisaged there will be options for some current BA Connect cabin crew to move to the new LCY business.
In the short term, it would be unrealistic to assume that there will be no job losses as a result of this deal as there are areas of overlap between the two companies.
We will be discussing this planned share sale with the trade unions that represent all of the employees at BA Connect.
The main point as far as BA Connect employees are concerned is that this is a share sale so the company remains as it is now. The only exception to that is that at or around the time of the share sale BA Plc will be moving the RJ aircraft, their pilots and and the LCY line engineers into a new wholly owned subsidiary of BA Plc, to serve LCY routes. There will also be some opportunities for BA Connect cabin crew and head office staff to join this new LCY subsidiary.
FLIGHT CREW: All flight crew will remain employed by BA Connect Ltd and the new owner has indicated that they wish to retain all BA Connect flight crew. Flybe will operate over 70 aircraft in the new organisation and has further growth plans. Flybe believe that this will create long term employment opportunities with fast track promotion to command an option for many. Flybe is confident that over 30 BA Connect First Officers will be promoted to Commanders within the first year.
As the RJ fleet of aircraft does not form part of the sale, RJ pilots will move to the new London City business and the proposal for the RJ flight crew is that they will be based in Edinburgh.
Discussions will take place with those staff and their representatives to consider the personal impact of this.
CABIN CREW: All cabin crew will remain employed by BA Connect and again the new owner has indicated that they wish to retain all BA Connect cabin crew. However, there will be a requirement for cabin crew in the new LCY business. It is envisaged there will be options for some current BA Connect cabin crew to move to the new LCY business.
In the short term, it would be unrealistic to assume that there will be no job losses as a result of this deal as there are areas of overlap between the two companies.
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Toots1252 i am guessing you hold a management position in BACON from the way you have phrased your opening paragraph? So if i am reading you right are you saying that even though i would be flying around on a FLYBE aircraft i would still be employed by BA CONNECT LTD????
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Dot Cotton was asked "What about the Sched Agreemt"
Response - "You can forget about that... far too expensive"
"There speaks a management pilot"
Reponse - "There speaks a pilot who wants to keep his job"
"No Dot if you want to keep your job you don't go back to treating people like dirt because then most of the pilots will leave and you deffo won't have a job"
The SA is not a contractual issue and therefore has no protection.
Have seen the video by the Head of FBe and there is no mistaking his tone. Makes the point strongly that we have similar size businessess but Fly Be's profit much greater...therefore significant cost to come out of BACON to make it work.
Other info is - that it is classed as a share purchase
- The RJs and 767 will move to the mother ship (we will be keeping the 146 though...lucky us).
CV time
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Response - "You can forget about that... far too expensive"
"There speaks a management pilot"
Reponse - "There speaks a pilot who wants to keep his job"
"No Dot if you want to keep your job you don't go back to treating people like dirt because then most of the pilots will leave and you deffo won't have a job"
The SA is not a contractual issue and therefore has no protection.
Have seen the video by the Head of FBe and there is no mistaking his tone. Makes the point strongly that we have similar size businessess but Fly Be's profit much greater...therefore significant cost to come out of BACON to make it work.
Other info is - that it is classed as a share purchase
- The RJs and 767 will move to the mother ship (we will be keeping the 146 though...lucky us).
CV time
Flat Tire - LOL and its the first time I have laughed today
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So am i assuming right that even though flybe and bacon effectivly become one, the ex bacon employees would still be employed by bacon ltd???? Or am i missing something?(probably!!!)
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its all a bit confusing at the moment,eventually the name will change over and say Flybe on our contracts (like when it changed from bacx to bacon) id like to think they will tell us more in the near future,but you know what this bunch of 
are like.
ive just been talking to a friend of mine who works for flybe and is ext based.he was seriously considering his future with the company,but now this is all going ahead,he is feeling quite positive.
i know its come as a big shock to all of us,and that it is hard to believe,but you have to think of it this way:
Flybe have really saved our BACON even if it does mean BA Disconnected, but at the end of the day, most of us will still have jobs, whereas if the company had just gone to the slaughterhouse,we'd be well and truly!
are like.ive just been talking to a friend of mine who works for flybe and is ext based.he was seriously considering his future with the company,but now this is all going ahead,he is feeling quite positive.
i know its come as a big shock to all of us,and that it is hard to believe,but you have to think of it this way:
Flybe have really saved our BACON even if it does mean BA Disconnected, but at the end of the day, most of us will still have jobs, whereas if the company had just gone to the slaughterhouse,we'd be well and truly
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Sorry, nothing new to add, just fancied a rant
One would guess that the statement that all Flight Crew are to remain employed by BA Connect Ltd implies that our pay at least will be frozen until it falls into line with whatever you would earn if you were a Flybe employee doing whatever job you end up with.
However, the sticking point is going to be: do we get a relocation package and pay protection to move base from a jet to a prop? Flybe make money yes, but thats going to be an awful lot of wonga out of the bottom line. Unless of course dear Uncle Willie and London Airways are going to stump up the cash as a smoother (and who is going to carry on paying for Easterns Jetstreams....
)
Lots of questions and if the last few years are anything to go by, lots of vague and contradictory answers will be forthcoming from our "leaders" over the next few weeks.
Time to get behind BALPA I think, boys and girls.
Anyway, must go. The play-dough models are ready, just need to find the knitting needles...
One would guess that the statement that all Flight Crew are to remain employed by BA Connect Ltd implies that our pay at least will be frozen until it falls into line with whatever you would earn if you were a Flybe employee doing whatever job you end up with.
However, the sticking point is going to be: do we get a relocation package and pay protection to move base from a jet to a prop? Flybe make money yes, but thats going to be an awful lot of wonga out of the bottom line. Unless of course dear Uncle Willie and London Airways are going to stump up the cash as a smoother (and who is going to carry on paying for Easterns Jetstreams....
)Lots of questions and if the last few years are anything to go by, lots of vague and contradictory answers will be forthcoming from our "leaders" over the next few weeks.
Time to get behind BALPA I think, boys and girls.
Anyway, must go. The play-dough models are ready, just need to find the knitting needles...
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AlphaCharlie,
As a humble ATCr working at MAN..I don't think that I am going to be very busy in the "near" future....No a/c....
GLA - 2 x Q400
EDI - 3 x Q400
GCI - 1 x 146, 1 x Q400
JER - 1 x 146, 1 x Q400
NWI - 2 x Q400
SOU - 3 x 146, 5 x Q400
BHX - 1 x 195, 3 x 146,
BHD - 2 x 146, 4 x Q400
EXT - 1 x 146, 4 x Q400
watp,iktch
As a humble ATCr working at MAN..I don't think that I am going to be very busy in the "near" future....No a/c....
GLA - 2 x Q400
EDI - 3 x Q400
GCI - 1 x 146, 1 x Q400
JER - 1 x 146, 1 x Q400
NWI - 2 x Q400
SOU - 3 x 146, 5 x Q400
BHX - 1 x 195, 3 x 146,
BHD - 2 x 146, 4 x Q400
EXT - 1 x 146, 4 x Q400
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Good luck BA Connect
As a bone of contention, I worked for a BA franchise for 11 years out of BHX. When times got hard at fortress LHR, we saw pax numbers fall off, then BAR at BHX saw the same.................. I guess this deal will seal the end of British Airways serving British Airports. Appppppppauling.
To think in 94, BA were gonna take over the World, had inductions to explain the plans, the franchise policies worldwide. Sorry BACON boys and girls, you are excluded, but boy, how the mighty have fallen.
First the Eastern deal, now this, sorry give the flag to Virgin and force BA to 'trade as'. The so called National Airline is no longer interested in the Nation, surely they are no longer the National Airline.
To think in 94, BA were gonna take over the World, had inductions to explain the plans, the franchise policies worldwide. Sorry BACON boys and girls, you are excluded, but boy, how the mighty have fallen.
First the Eastern deal, now this, sorry give the flag to Virgin and force BA to 'trade as'. The so called National Airline is no longer interested in the Nation, surely they are no longer the National Airline.
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We must not forget the many friendly faces around the networks who will also be affected. Half the work done by the MAN, FRA, GLA etc BA ground-staff is for BACON. Will Flybe be requiring their services?
I doubt it.
One or two of them may be living in th past, but overall, a fantastic bunch of people to work with. Hope it works out reasonably well for them too.
I doubt it.
One or two of them may be living in th past, but overall, a fantastic bunch of people to work with. Hope it works out reasonably well for them too.
