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TYR selection's week updated as requested...
DAY 1: ATPL knowledge (9 subjects out of 14, cannot remember which ones...). 100 JAA q's, FAA-Style (3 answer...), 2,5 hrs TT. Calculator and wizzwhell allowed...
DAY 2 (or 1 after quizzing if your name fall in they alphabetic order breakdown...): Psyco-day & guy, from 9am till 14:30, 15:00...be ready for a HUGE headhache...
DAY 3: simride (FNPT 1, PA34-V), unstable, 10 minute briefing to prepare urself, SID in a small airport (LJLJ or similar but does not have to be in Austria), NPA, MA, NP, land. Quick debrief and result. Done.
DAY 3 LATE (?): panel interview, fleet managers (F70/100 and DHC...), bad cop, good cop, you...Usual stuff, u r never ready enough, so...relax, think positive, stick or change if required to do so. Go figure.
Don't ask how I did do, do not flood my ebox with PM. That's about all.
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DAY 1: ATPL knowledge (9 subjects out of 14, cannot remember which ones...). 100 JAA q's, FAA-Style (3 answer...), 2,5 hrs TT. Calculator and wizzwhell allowed...
DAY 2 (or 1 after quizzing if your name fall in they alphabetic order breakdown...): Psyco-day & guy, from 9am till 14:30, 15:00...be ready for a HUGE headhache...
DAY 3: simride (FNPT 1, PA34-V), unstable, 10 minute briefing to prepare urself, SID in a small airport (LJLJ or similar but does not have to be in Austria), NPA, MA, NP, land. Quick debrief and result. Done.
DAY 3 LATE (?): panel interview, fleet managers (F70/100 and DHC...), bad cop, good cop, you...Usual stuff, u r never ready enough, so...relax, think positive, stick or change if required to do so. Go figure.
Don't ask how I did do, do not flood my ebox with PM. That's about all.
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seems that things have changed. I was contacted by CAE to start with the assesment next week. I'll be doing it in Brussels and I have to make an english test, an ATPL test and a sim ride on a 737-300. Judging from the times they gave me it must be a pretty long sim ride. Its from 8:30 to 12:30...
Anybody else have any up to date info?
Anybody else have any up to date info?
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CAE is a different screening than the one mentioned before this post by papazulu.
Innsbruck @ Tyrolean is quite extended (at least two days) and CAE has the 1 day screening. Obviously after CAE screening when successfull, you need to go to an interview too.
Innsbruck @ Tyrolean is quite extended (at least two days) and CAE has the 1 day screening. Obviously after CAE screening when successfull, you need to go to an interview too.
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AFAIK Tyrolean also requires up-front payment of the typerating and will pay back over 5 years including interest. AFAIK they'll also recommend a bank if you don't find one.
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Total TR cost will be approx. EUR 35,000. 28,000 +VAT for the TR + OCC training, base training and line training.
What do you all think of this? is this still fair? Dispite the fact that they refund it in 5 years you are offered an initial contract for only one year.
What do you all think of this? is this still fair? Dispite the fact that they refund it in 5 years you are offered an initial contract for only one year.
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I am not sure they won't try trick if something goes terribly wrong but...
The 1yrs contract becomes indetermined after your working knowledge of German has been assested by the company as part of the agreement. After that the company will take on the bond for the TR if they decide for ANY reason to terminate the contract before the bond itself is over.
Although this way of "sponsoring" training is still a "take or leave" stand-off by operators, well...we have just ourselves to blaim since the SSTR wasn't born as SOP inside the airlines but in the sick-minded wannabe that started all this, ain't? Bonds have existed for ages and they were working well but someone decided that a "shortcut" to boost is career was needed and here we go again.
If OS helps with the bank and pays back the TR in 5 yrs it appears to me much safer and wiser that FR deal where TR is TOTALLY a SSTR, no chance to get a penny back and T&C's that we ALL well know...
After 1 yrs you can start breathing again...in German! There is nothing wrong in learning a new language, it helps a lot with...tourists!
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The 1yrs contract becomes indetermined after your working knowledge of German has been assested by the company as part of the agreement. After that the company will take on the bond for the TR if they decide for ANY reason to terminate the contract before the bond itself is over.
Although this way of "sponsoring" training is still a "take or leave" stand-off by operators, well...we have just ourselves to blaim since the SSTR wasn't born as SOP inside the airlines but in the sick-minded wannabe that started all this, ain't? Bonds have existed for ages and they were working well but someone decided that a "shortcut" to boost is career was needed and here we go again.
If OS helps with the bank and pays back the TR in 5 yrs it appears to me much safer and wiser that FR deal where TR is TOTALLY a SSTR, no chance to get a penny back and T&C's that we ALL well know...
After 1 yrs you can start breathing again...in German!
There is nothing wrong in learning a new language, it helps a lot with...tourists!PZ
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Tyrolean will NOT repay the bond if the employment is terminated after the first year due to ineptitude of the pilot or if you're terminated without notice at any time for something like DWI, booze too short before check-in, etc. Does not happen very often, though.
If you're laid off for economic reasons (surplus of pilots) the company will continue to repay the bond unless you "use" the typerating by flying with the same equipment with another company.
Details to be found in the CLA which doesn't regulate the basic bond however, as this is in a separate contract before employment.
I do think that the repayment of the bond is fair. If you're forced to resign for medical reasons the bond will be covered by LoL which is partly paid for by the company (300€/yr).
If you're laid off for economic reasons (surplus of pilots) the company will continue to repay the bond unless you "use" the typerating by flying with the same equipment with another company.
Details to be found in the CLA which doesn't regulate the basic bond however, as this is in a separate contract before employment.
I do think that the repayment of the bond is fair. If you're forced to resign for medical reasons the bond will be covered by LoL which is partly paid for by the company (300€/yr).
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hi folks
i do not think, that the trainings bond is fair
, 5 years too long and in times now, where major airlines and i mean really major airlines are desperate of pilots i do not think it is a good deal. furthermore you have to think about your future propectives are there any especially on the dash. correct me if it is wrong what i am writing here. tyrolean is a good company in general but it can be much better if the management wants it
. they have to look on their personal, many are leaving now, i say many? well, lost around 100 pilots now
, most of them realy good and i say it is a pitty to loose them especially their know how. i also left with some tears, 
but this doesn't matter. i wish everybody good luck and if somebody wants to know something just write me.
cheers to all!!!!!
i do not think, that the trainings bond is fair
, 5 years too long and in times now, where major airlines and i mean really major airlines are desperate of pilots i do not think it is a good deal. furthermore you have to think about your future propectives are there any especially on the dash. correct me if it is wrong what i am writing here. tyrolean is a good company in general but it can be much better if the management wants it . they have to look on their personal, many are leaving now, i say many? well, lost around 100 pilots now , most of them realy good and i say it is a pitty to loose them especially their know how. i also left with some tears, but this doesn't matter. i wish everybody good luck and if somebody wants to know something just write me. cheers to all!!!!!
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If you're laid off for economic reasons (surplus of pilots) the company will continue to repay the bond unless you "use" the typerating by flying with the same equipment with another company.
, I though it was not worth to mention it. As you said, it does not happen too often, neither the new-hired crews due to surplus.Airwjo...
5 yrs bond is too long, management is not nice enough, plane isn't big enough, career doesn't progress when and where you want, base is a boring place to live, etc, etc...Don't you think you are asking for a "perfect world"? Don't take me wrong: surely you are not longer a wannabe but someone that experienced a TYR-kind of career start-up and now looking for better T&C's. Well...If I was given the opportunity to be born again, you know...
Name at least one operator that gives you BETTER (in your own opinion...) T&C's that TRY and let's talk about it.
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listen papazulu
nowadays there is no perfect world anymore you have to work everywhere for your money and listen too, i am coming from private aviation world, so i know what i am saying
you want good airlines? lh, cx, vs, cv, qr, ek just to mention
yes you are right, i started at tyrolean and i loved it, it changed also a lot, but still we are far away from a professional airline paperless cockpit, rostering by yourself, fair leave system etc.
you are flying now for tyrolean good for you congrats but as i said it is a good company only the management should know what they have but they don't
nowadays there is no perfect world anymore you have to work everywhere for your money and listen too, i am coming from private aviation world, so i know what i am saying
you want good airlines? lh, cx, vs, cv, qr, ek just to mention
yes you are right, i started at tyrolean and i loved it, it changed also a lot, but still we are far away from a professional airline paperless cockpit, rostering by yourself, fair leave system etc.
you are flying now for tyrolean good for you congrats but as i said it is a good company only the management should know what they have but they don't
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Way too agressive tone in your reply, man...No very nice to "hear" it from a pilot, though. I forgive part of it because of an obvious lack of confidence/vocabulary with the language. Feel free to not give it a fk, off course...
Now that your T&C's have dramatically improved since you left OS you can concentrate on PR's and good manners to fellow aviators just givin their point of view on this topic.
Yours Sincerely
PZ
PS: Not in OS, never been...yet. All those "nice" companies you named...how can you be so sure they are heaven compared your old employer? I have different reports from "insiders". maybe you worked for ALL of them, in which case...
Way too agressive tone in your reply, man...No very nice to "hear" it from a pilot, though. I forgive part of it because of an obvious lack of confidence/vocabulary with the language. Feel free to not give it a f
k, off course...Now that your T&C's have dramatically improved since you left OS you can concentrate on PR's and good manners to fellow aviators just givin their point of view on this topic.
Yours Sincerely
PZ
PS: Not in OS, never been...yet. All those "nice" companies you named...how can you be so sure they are heaven compared your old employer? I have different reports from "insiders". maybe you worked for ALL of them, in which case...
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TYR seems to have got the message as they are now quite quite intensively looking for measures to retain pilots.
Paperless cockpit and preferential bidding are on the way and the self-briefing flight planning software is also undergoing a major upgrade.
TYR will probably never be able to offer the same T&Cs as a major carrier but they are trying harder than they used to to be a good employer. It is understandable that that didn't occur to them during the last couple of years when they were more or less the only company hiring minimum hour copilots.
As for the bond, what is fair is mainly a matter of point of view. For the company it doesn't seem fair to pay for a typerating just to see that pilot disappear after a year or two. For pilots it isn't fair to have to bleed money in order to go for better conditions. I don't think there is an "ideal" solution for this dilemma, it will remain a matter of bargaining power and job market conditions (with the interesting effect that the pilots' bargaining position for a shorter bond is better when the company would most need it due to an open job market for pilots and worse when the company wouldn't care as no on is hiring anyway.)
Off to work....
Paperless cockpit and preferential bidding are on the way and the self-briefing flight planning software is also undergoing a major upgrade.
TYR will probably never be able to offer the same T&Cs as a major carrier but they are trying harder than they used to to be a good employer. It is understandable that that didn't occur to them during the last couple of years when they were more or less the only company hiring minimum hour copilots.
As for the bond, what is fair is mainly a matter of point of view. For the company it doesn't seem fair to pay for a typerating just to see that pilot disappear after a year or two. For pilots it isn't fair to have to bleed money in order to go for better conditions. I don't think there is an "ideal" solution for this dilemma, it will remain a matter of bargaining power and job market conditions (with the interesting effect that the pilots' bargaining position for a shorter bond is better when the company would most need it due to an open job market for pilots and worse when the company wouldn't care as no on is hiring anyway.)
Off to work....