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Do you know if there is any chance that at easyjet they change their basing policy to take into account also nationality? e.g. so that a german has priority over non germans in the list for a german base? This seems reasonable, I think it would give more chances to new joiners to get a base at their home and therefore there would be more pilots willing to apply.
Do you know if there is any chance that at easyjet they change their basing policy to take into account also nationality? e.g. so that a german has priority over non germans in the list for a german base? This seems reasonable, I think it would give more chances to new joiners to get a base at their home and therefore there would be more pilots willing to apply.
No it is not reasnoble nor is it the policy of easyJet.
If you join you put your name on the transfer list and wait your turn.
If you join you put your name on the transfer list and wait your turn.
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
No it is not reasnoble nor is it the policy of easyJet.
If you join you put your name on the transfer list and wait your turn.
If you join you put your name on the transfer list and wait your turn.
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yes probably it's not completely reasonable as there may well be pilots apllying from places where easy ha no bases, but what I mean is: there are different reasons for asking to be transferred to a certain base, some reasons are more "serious" than others. A serious reson may be:"I have a home and a family there so I would like to be based there" while a less serious reason could be:"I want to spend some months there because I like that plalce, their food, their wine, and their girls", It would be fair I think to give priority to those who have a "serious" reason for asking to be transferred over those who have not (while still keeping the first arrived first served basis). May be taking into account nationality is not the best way to do this but there must be a way to make everyone happy.
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EZY is a "european" company. If you are on a transferlist it does not matter which nationality. Because if you sign for the job, you should better know what you signed.
Even some of the english guys like it in Germany, whatever reason for. There are still some german pilots waiting for a transfer to germany for quite a while already.
But there is always movement in the network (leaving pilots, upgrades). You just can not rely on those issues!
Your choice!
EZY is a "european" company. If you are on a transferlist it does not matter which nationality. Because if you sign for the job, you should better know what you signed.
Even some of the english guys like it in Germany, whatever reason for. There are still some german pilots waiting for a transfer to germany for quite a while already.
But there is always movement in the network (leaving pilots, upgrades). You just can not rely on those issues!
Your choice!
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Cuffio:
I find your attitude a bit strange. Why would being a certain nationality automatically grant you the right to move to the top of the transfer list? Surely, when you join a company you will go wherever they tell you to, and once your name is on the base transfer list, you will wait your turn to go there. The reason why you want to move to that particular base is entirely irrelevant.
Whilst I don't work for EZY, I work for a well known Irish company and things are the same there, for example at the GRO base. There are quite a few spaniards on the waiting list even though the base is full of Irish, Brits, etc who love it there? Why the hell should a Spaniard be given priority?
If you don't like this (very fair) way of doing things, I suggest you work for a German airline and stop whinging.
I find your attitude a bit strange. Why would being a certain nationality automatically grant you the right to move to the top of the transfer list? Surely, when you join a company you will go wherever they tell you to, and once your name is on the base transfer list, you will wait your turn to go there. The reason why you want to move to that particular base is entirely irrelevant.
Whilst I don't work for EZY, I work for a well known Irish company and things are the same there, for example at the GRO base. There are quite a few spaniards on the waiting list even though the base is full of Irish, Brits, etc who love it there? Why the hell should a Spaniard be given priority?
If you don't like this (very fair) way of doing things, I suggest you work for a German airline and stop whinging.
Guys, guys, he didn't know and so he asked!!
Unfortunately, a new entrant will be based solely where EZY want them based, and they can then apply to transfer. Depending on which base you want to go to and which type they operate, it can be a long, long wait, as some have found out!!
Unfortunately, a new entrant will be based solely where EZY want them based, and they can then apply to transfer. Depending on which base you want to go to and which type they operate, it can be a long, long wait, as some have found out!!
I think its a valid idea.
I know of plenty of guys who never applied simply because they don't want to move to the Island and leave everything - ranging from taste in clothing to good food- behind on the continent.
I know of plenty of guys who never applied simply because they don't want to move to the Island and leave everything - ranging from taste in clothing to good food- behind on the continent.
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spot on ray! that's exactly what I mean. I'll probably apply as DEP but in case I pass and get offered the job but with a UK base for an indefinite time I probably wont accept (I could accept if they can grant transfer after max 6 months). easy offers far better conditions and career prospects than my present employer, but these alone can't compensate for the loss of family, friends, food, nice weather, sea etc... for an indefinite time.
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cuffio,
I can understand that you didnt know so you asked, but I find your way of thinking quite bizarre, I dont know how your current employer works (if there is a seniority list or not) but although EZY dont have seniority lists, why should you get priority to be based in Germany solely on the fact your family is there?
In any company that you will join, if the thing you want is popular and in demand you will have to wait for it just like everyone else.
I must admit that I dont agree with EZYs actual basing policy for new commands, etc but I think its only fair that the longer you have been in the company the more priority you get.
My last question is, why didnt you join EZY a few years ago then you would have been at your base of choice by now?
Anyway good luck.
Bokkie
I can understand that you didnt know so you asked, but I find your way of thinking quite bizarre, I dont know how your current employer works (if there is a seniority list or not) but although EZY dont have seniority lists, why should you get priority to be based in Germany solely on the fact your family is there?
In any company that you will join, if the thing you want is popular and in demand you will have to wait for it just like everyone else.
I must admit that I dont agree with EZYs actual basing policy for new commands, etc but I think its only fair that the longer you have been in the company the more priority you get.
My last question is, why didnt you join EZY a few years ago then you would have been at your base of choice by now?
Anyway good luck.
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Originally Posted by springbok449
cuffio,
IMy last question is, why didnt you join EZY a few years ago then you would have been at your base of choice by now?
Bokkie
IMy last question is, why didnt you join EZY a few years ago then you would have been at your base of choice by now?
Bokkie
I believe quite alot of pilots in EZY nowadays have been lucky flying with their old company, until this company got bankrupted!? So why should they have joined EZY some years ago?
Look, how many ex AERO LLOYD pilots are flying with EZY. I am sure, not a lot have realy considered to join EZY some years ago!
But following the arguments of CUFFIO, I do not believe EZY will be his way.
Making more money is not the only argument!
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Unfortunately for you CUFFIO, this is the sort of culture you are going to have to deal with on regular basis, if you dedcide to join.Not one person can answer a quesry.
From what I read on this post, nothing but Jumped up prats with no life but redy to tear your head off at any give instant and label you stupid, strange etc.Thats what happens when you dont get to see the sunshine,live in isolation on the island and have no clue as what being social means!
Give the guy a break and answer him,if you can, as there is no dumb question in Aviation!
From what I read on this post, nothing but Jumped up prats with no life but redy to tear your head off at any give instant and label you stupid, strange etc.Thats what happens when you dont get to see the sunshine,live in isolation on the island and have no clue as what being social means!
Give the guy a break and answer him,if you can, as there is no dumb question in Aviation!
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Airamerica,
Thanks for your concerns about me being a "Jumped up prat with no life but ready to tear your head off at any given instant and label you stupid, strange etc. Thats what happens when you dont get to see the sunshine,live in isolation on the island and have no clue as what being social means!"
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ut actually I do see the sunshine everyday and am very social, I havent worked for EZY for some time now but knew them quite well so before you go jumping both feet in first re-read the posts on this thread take a breather and then assess the situation, Cuffio asked a question about a company and people who are in the know gave him an answer for sure it wasnt the answer he was looking for but hey he got an answer....
As far as the guys from Aero Lloyd are concerned they are mainly at their base of choice apart from a few that tried doing contract work before they "eventually joined EZY" so are now stuck in an "unwanted" base.
Anyway, one last point Cuffio if you are thinking of joining EZY for money you need to closely asses whether the extra money will outweigh the reduction in lifestyle.
Good Luck
Thanks for your concerns about me being a "Jumped up prat with no life but ready to tear your head off at any given instant and label you stupid, strange etc. Thats what happens when you dont get to see the sunshine,live in isolation on the island and have no clue as what being social means!"
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ut actually I do see the sunshine everyday and am very social, I havent worked for EZY for some time now but knew them quite well so before you go jumping both feet in first re-read the posts on this thread take a breather and then assess the situation, Cuffio asked a question about a company and people who are in the know gave him an answer for sure it wasnt the answer he was looking for but hey he got an answer....
As far as the guys from Aero Lloyd are concerned they are mainly at their base of choice apart from a few that tried doing contract work before they "eventually joined EZY" so are now stuck in an "unwanted" base.
Anyway, one last point Cuffio if you are thinking of joining EZY for money you need to closely asses whether the extra money will outweigh the reduction in lifestyle.
Good Luck
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Originally Posted by Permafrost_ATPL
My transfer to LTN was approved two months after starting. Almost no waiting list. Funny that 
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Not funny at all. If you look at the PULSE results, you know why you got fast to LTN and LGW (besides LGW expands rapidly).
And furtheron, where are the highest "atritions" rates"?
And the guys from AERO LLOYD? One week after the bankruptcy EZY had a roadshow in FRA. And they admitted (of course, why not!) they are looking for the Airbus rated guys.
I personally believe, without the bankruptcy of AERO LLOYD they would not have opened SXF on time. That is why most of the AEF guys got a german base!
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It is worth pointing out that the demise of Aero Lloyd was of mutual benefit to both the former pilots of said company and easyJet. Many of those pilots found almost immediate re-employment with easyJet at a time when job in German aviation were not in plentiful supply. This was particularly good news for skippers who picked up direct-entry commands, as did a number of senior First Officers.
Regarding Cuffio's question, the short answer is that easyJet is probably one of the most genuine 'equal opportunities' employers in the world. That means that nationality, race, sex or religion gets you no advantages or favours ahead of someone else. We have people at all levels in the company who represent every colour and creed. I have worked for several airlines and have never come across such genuine openness to anyone who has the right to live and work in Europe. The downside is that, in keeping with that policy, no national pilot gets basing preference over a non-national. I can understand the frustration, for example, that a German national must feel waiting for a Berlin base - knowing that there could be 3 Brits and a Dutchman in front of him on the transfer list! Such is life - I personally much prefer our system to the sort of thing that goes on throughout Asia and the Middle East (Switzerland also they tell me!) where 'foreigners' are expendable commodities who can be binned at a moment's notice to protect the interests of the 'locals'. EasyJet is not a perfect employer and has many issues to resolve, but in this department I personally think they are faultless. I believe in calling a spade a spade but I also believe in giving praise where praise is due - in this case it seems to me that easyJet are acting entirely appropriately.
I would hope that former Aero Lloyd pilots would have nothing but gratitude to easyJet. There is no doubt that the appearance of large numbers of quality A320-rated pilots on the market enabled easyJet to set up the SXF and DTM bases. What they have to remember is that the demise of Aero LLoyd created the opportunity for easyJet in the first place. Without easyJet, however, the lot of the Aero Lloyd pilots would have been very different. The opportunities within Germany at that time were not great - particularly if you wanted a direct entry command. Furthermore, there are now many ex-Aero Lloyd First Officers who would still be in the right seat but are now Captains at easyJet. EasyJet pay great money, particularly with the tax status of our German-based colleagues, and not surprisingly there is a long queue of people wanting to be based in Germany. That is not a failing of easyJet but rather a sign of the success of our operation there. The Aero Lloyd demise was a good deal for easyJet and a good deal for the former pilots.
Finally, although springbok449 has moved onto bigger and better things, he has a wide and accurate knowledge of easyJet. Those who criticise his writings would be better just listening to what he has to say.
Regarding Cuffio's question, the short answer is that easyJet is probably one of the most genuine 'equal opportunities' employers in the world. That means that nationality, race, sex or religion gets you no advantages or favours ahead of someone else. We have people at all levels in the company who represent every colour and creed. I have worked for several airlines and have never come across such genuine openness to anyone who has the right to live and work in Europe. The downside is that, in keeping with that policy, no national pilot gets basing preference over a non-national. I can understand the frustration, for example, that a German national must feel waiting for a Berlin base - knowing that there could be 3 Brits and a Dutchman in front of him on the transfer list! Such is life - I personally much prefer our system to the sort of thing that goes on throughout Asia and the Middle East (Switzerland also they tell me!) where 'foreigners' are expendable commodities who can be binned at a moment's notice to protect the interests of the 'locals'. EasyJet is not a perfect employer and has many issues to resolve, but in this department I personally think they are faultless. I believe in calling a spade a spade but I also believe in giving praise where praise is due - in this case it seems to me that easyJet are acting entirely appropriately.
I would hope that former Aero Lloyd pilots would have nothing but gratitude to easyJet. There is no doubt that the appearance of large numbers of quality A320-rated pilots on the market enabled easyJet to set up the SXF and DTM bases. What they have to remember is that the demise of Aero LLoyd created the opportunity for easyJet in the first place. Without easyJet, however, the lot of the Aero Lloyd pilots would have been very different. The opportunities within Germany at that time were not great - particularly if you wanted a direct entry command. Furthermore, there are now many ex-Aero Lloyd First Officers who would still be in the right seat but are now Captains at easyJet. EasyJet pay great money, particularly with the tax status of our German-based colleagues, and not surprisingly there is a long queue of people wanting to be based in Germany. That is not a failing of easyJet but rather a sign of the success of our operation there. The Aero Lloyd demise was a good deal for easyJet and a good deal for the former pilots.
Finally, although springbok449 has moved onto bigger and better things, he has a wide and accurate knowledge of easyJet. Those who criticise his writings would be better just listening to what he has to say.
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well balanced report of the ex AERO LLOYD pilots.
Until now, only one ex AEF pilot has left EZY. Also, AirBerlin, is sitting right next door!
But, who would like to join AirBerlin in exchange to EZY?! Not everything is easy at EASY. Lot issues to be solved. At the moment it looks at least, as the right direction hase been choosen!
well balanced report of the ex AERO LLOYD pilots.
Until now, only one ex AEF pilot has left EZY. Also, AirBerlin, is sitting right next door!
But, who would like to join AirBerlin in exchange to EZY?! Not everything is easy at EASY. Lot issues to be solved. At the moment it looks at least, as the right direction hase been choosen!
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Not funny at all. If you look at the PULSE results, you know why you got fast to LTN and LGW