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I am one pilot thinking about joining Ryanair. I have read on pprune and talked to former colleges of mine now working in Ryanair.
They all say the same. It is exacly what you imagine.
Reason nr1. You know you will have work for a very long time.
Reason nr2: Home every night.
Reason nr3: Stable roster
Reasonnr4: Very good money
Reasonnr5: Good aircrafts.
It would be nice to here what experience those of you now working for Ryanair had before you joined them.
Let me tell you mine before you all start telling me not to join Ryanair.
I hade to pay my own Typerating five years ago. Since then I have been in six different companys. A few on contract, a few as regular employe. But I have been very lucky. Only with out work for totaly 6 month. Belive me you dont sleep at night.(Reasonnr1)
On contract you are either in Asia during winter or on 6 month in Europe. The money is about half what Ryanair offer.(Reasonnr4) Normal 8 days off/month with maybe 4 in one seq. Roster always changing. But one thing fore sure. Home=never.(reason2 and3)
As regular employe the money is about 1/3 of what offered by Ryanair(Reasonnr4).And everybody know your company loses money, year by year. It is all about seniorety. But anyway it is about knowing the right people for uppgrade. And always in fight with managment . You get less and less from the company.The only good thing is a pretty stable roster but forget birthday of your family and friends.(Reasonmr2and3)
I do not want to tell you Ryanair pilots to calm down and you shold definitely not agree to this new agreement if you feel it is that bad. But I can tell you it is the same story in every company. Take it or leave it. Its company way or the high way.Sad but true.
Everyone has to pay for typerating theese days, in every company. Definitely when you are a junior. Ryanair started it. You bought it, we pay for it.
There are two things that are important.
Every managment lie to you. Always same story with vacation. And reading about Easyjet, BA and Flybe roster, let me tell you. They are not that good. Not to mention Air Berlin. Been there, done that and we are pilots because we want to fly. Right?
And I see 5 very good reason to work for ryanair.
They all say the same. It is exacly what you imagine.
Reason nr1. You know you will have work for a very long time.
Reason nr2: Home every night.
Reason nr3: Stable roster
Reasonnr4: Very good money
Reasonnr5: Good aircrafts.
It would be nice to here what experience those of you now working for Ryanair had before you joined them.
Let me tell you mine before you all start telling me not to join Ryanair.
I hade to pay my own Typerating five years ago. Since then I have been in six different companys. A few on contract, a few as regular employe. But I have been very lucky. Only with out work for totaly 6 month. Belive me you dont sleep at night.(Reasonnr1)
On contract you are either in Asia during winter or on 6 month in Europe. The money is about half what Ryanair offer.(Reasonnr4) Normal 8 days off/month with maybe 4 in one seq. Roster always changing. But one thing fore sure. Home=never.(reason2 and3)
As regular employe the money is about 1/3 of what offered by Ryanair(Reasonnr4).And everybody know your company loses money, year by year. It is all about seniorety. But anyway it is about knowing the right people for uppgrade. And always in fight with managment . You get less and less from the company.The only good thing is a pretty stable roster but forget birthday of your family and friends.(Reasonmr2and3)
I do not want to tell you Ryanair pilots to calm down and you shold definitely not agree to this new agreement if you feel it is that bad. But I can tell you it is the same story in every company. Take it or leave it. Its company way or the high way.Sad but true.
Everyone has to pay for typerating theese days, in every company. Definitely when you are a junior. Ryanair started it. You bought it, we pay for it.
There are two things that are important.
- Toppay. This is what you ryanair pilot really should fight for. Everyone joining Ryan will reach command position in aviation absolutely shortest time. So the start pay is almost of no interest. Turn on every penny is no fun. But it is only for a very short time.
- And yes I have respect for those of you only on standby after typerating. This is not acceptable.
Every managment lie to you. Always same story with vacation. And reading about Easyjet, BA and Flybe roster, let me tell you. They are not that good. Not to mention Air Berlin. Been there, done that and we are pilots because we want to fly. Right?
And I see 5 very good reason to work for ryanair.
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Imagine you had a very long rope made of gold (okay silver then), and each year this rope was being pulled away from you leaving you with less and less you would be quite mad right? This is the problem, Ryanair's pilots are (mostly) bitching and moaning because what they have now and have had in the past is slowly dissappearing. For a new starter (such as yourself) it would seem far better than where you currently are at (in terms of money, roster and job prospects) but if one year the benefit you enjoyed and took for granted (for example home every night) was taken away from you, you would be pissed off right?
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I haven't really got the time or the inclination to reply to this, however.
The two things that make FR feasible to work for are Pay and Roster stability. Both are about to be taken away in a new forced pay "deal".
Point No.5. After sitting in it for 900 hrs Per annum you couldn't give a flying foxtrot what aircraft it is, or who made it. You sure your not a plane spotter?
As for:
It's not, and it's not. We have them by the balls, in the supreme court in Ireland and now with 500+ members and growing on www.repaweb.org
The two things that make FR feasible to work for are Pay and Roster stability. Both are about to be taken away in a new forced pay "deal".
Point No.5. After sitting in it for 900 hrs Per annum you couldn't give a flying foxtrot what aircraft it is, or who made it. You sure your not a plane spotter?
As for:
But I can tell you it is the same story in every company. Take it or leave it. Its company way or the high way.Sad but true.
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Sometimes you wonder if MOL is really the biggest threat to the profession, if it's not the misguided, those who don't wish to see.
You can shout from the rooftops all day long about the reality and still a few will convince themselves that it's the business.
And not only that, this guy thinks that the FO's deserve what they get. You may want to ask the Dublin Fo's if the command upgrades are as quick as you think.
Open your eyes buddy.
You can shout from the rooftops all day long about the reality and still a few will convince themselves that it's the business.
And not only that, this guy thinks that the FO's deserve what they get. You may want to ask the Dublin Fo's if the command upgrades are as quick as you think.
Open your eyes buddy.
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MrBeach you sound like someone who would be very pleased to join Ryanair. Well then you should. However, you might want to read post 7 in the following thread first:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074
If you still want to join Ryanair, then join them. But remember this, if after 4,5,6, or even 10 months of employment you are still paying to live in the U.K. and you still are not on the Ryanair payroll (you will not be paid until they decide to check you out), no one will be interested in your complaints.
If can find them there are several Swedes, Norwegians and Danes (among others) in exactly that position at this very moment. I don't think they have quite the same view of Ryanair as you do.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074
If you still want to join Ryanair, then join them. But remember this, if after 4,5,6, or even 10 months of employment you are still paying to live in the U.K. and you still are not on the Ryanair payroll (you will not be paid until they decide to check you out), no one will be interested in your complaints.
If can find them there are several Swedes, Norwegians and Danes (among others) in exactly that position at this very moment. I don't think they have quite the same view of Ryanair as you do.
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Look guys this is obviously a piss take posted by someone within ryanair.
The english is so phony and contains just the points that these gimps would want to have you believe are prevalent at ryanair.The false concern and the phony advice.Stick it up your ass!
Check out delwys posting for the real deal you can expect in ryanair!
The english is so phony and contains just the points that these gimps would want to have you believe are prevalent at ryanair.The false concern and the phony advice.Stick it up your ass!
Check out delwys posting for the real deal you can expect in ryanair!
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Yes it does sound a bit too cod English to me.
But has Mr Beach revealed another problem in Ryanair? Are the pilots a bunch of baldies in need of rugs:
"Toppay. This is what you ryanair pilot really should fight for."
But has Mr Beach revealed another problem in Ryanair? Are the pilots a bunch of baldies in need of rugs:
"Toppay. This is what you ryanair pilot really should fight for."
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Millions wasted on wet lease aircraft
'cause it sure as heck ain't near Frankfurt.)
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Hang about!
You guys are getting your nickers in a twist. I lured our MrBeach to a webpage and got hold of his IP. It game up as German, and the route taken was through much of Europe. It certainly isn't a UK, American or Indian IP Address for that matter!
Furthermore, I don't see the contradiction between him saying he has passed the assessment and him "Thinking" of joining Ryanair.
Sorry MrBeach!
You guys are getting your nickers in a twist. I lured our MrBeach to a webpage and got hold of his IP. It game up as German, and the route taken was through much of Europe. It certainly isn't a UK, American or Indian IP Address for that matter!
Furthermore, I don't see the contradiction between him saying he has passed the assessment and him "Thinking" of joining Ryanair.
Sorry MrBeach!
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Nice post S T R!
I have worked for a few (6 I think) airlines now and the problem is not just a Ryanair one. The main point here is that we have all had the sh*t kicked out of our terms and conditions, pay etc for at least the last 16 years, due to īmarket conditionsī.
What has changed now is that these conditions (outside of the US at least) have finally started to swing back in our favour. Because of the lack of recruitment/training in the intervening period, combined with retirements and rapid expansion in Europe and out East most lately, we have the beginning of a pilot shortage, starting as usual with experienced Captains (remember the mid/late 80īs?)
Those airlines with the most crappy t&cīs will suffer first as experienced guys get īsuckedīon up through the job pile!
Now is the time for all of us to make a stand and try to recover some of the lost ground....
I have worked for a few (6 I think) airlines now and the problem is not just a Ryanair one. The main point here is that we have all had the sh*t kicked out of our terms and conditions, pay etc for at least the last 16 years, due to īmarket conditionsī.
What has changed now is that these conditions (outside of the US at least) have finally started to swing back in our favour. Because of the lack of recruitment/training in the intervening period, combined with retirements and rapid expansion in Europe and out East most lately, we have the beginning of a pilot shortage, starting as usual with experienced Captains (remember the mid/late 80īs?)
Those airlines with the most crappy t&cīs will suffer first as experienced guys get īsuckedīon up through the job pile!
Now is the time for all of us to make a stand and try to recover some of the lost ground....
