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It would appear that I have put the wind up a few people as this thread has just died. RadAlt my wife has her own company and has to pay employers as well as employees national insurance so its a double joke on us. All the time however there are people paying nothing and still using the resources the joke gets bigger. She is also a qualified Chartered Accountant and assures me that the example I quoted was by no means an isolated case and Tony & Gordon are always on the look out for industries and individuals that think they have escaped the net eg IT, building trades, aviation...
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RTO - thanx. So what's yer point? Stansted F/O's are on a take home of around £4000 per month and Captains £6000 all after tax! You really haven't been paying attention have you......... 
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bl00dy hell wingco, which ryanair do you work for? my payslip says just over £3000 basic plus sector pay (£2200 this month - quite a good month but has been down at £1600). all take home of course. i'm not sure even a trainer gets as much as you say.
if you can post your contract on here then maybe we can all go and ask for the same. ( i think you're £500 too much for f/o's too)
if you can post your contract on here then maybe we can all go and ask for the same. ( i think you're £500 too much for f/o's too)
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Senior FO basic take home £1800 per month, Average sector pay £2200 per month = £4000. Info was accurate as of a year or so ago. If the sector cheques have been whittled down over the year then there might be a correction to make there (and yes we know it goes on despite the management's claim to the contrary!!! Triple PIK and five minutes knocked off the last sector taking it below the magical 8 hrs says it all). Rate quoted for skippers is just what I was told by the guys I flew with....... But then there are a number of different rates out there aren't there. Anyway - can't have RTO saying that his F/O's taking home 2700 - 3100 is more than ours cos it's simply not true and indicates that he hasn't understood any of the previously posted information! 
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S/O 1100 net
F/O 1400 net
Senior F/O 1700 net
captn: 3200 net
sector pay: 1850 average 12 months
f/o half sector pay half year after line check (this has been in FR for 3.5 years).
How long does it take to get on from S/O to F/O and then to SF/O?
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F/O 1400 net
Senior F/O 1700 net
captn: 3200 net
sector pay: 1850 average 12 months
f/o half sector pay half year after line check (this has been in FR for 3.5 years).
How long does it take to get on from S/O to F/O and then to SF/O?
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Just one more time ....
There is NO publised Ryanair pilot salary scale. There are no figures that can be said to be "the" salary figures. The best paid Ryanair pilots are generally contractors. The rest do the same work for wildly varying sums.
So, no matter what the truth of an individual set of figures presented here, it is absolutely imperative that any prospective pilot employee obtains, IN WRITING, the basis upon which they are to be employed BEFORE committing to the airline or, especially, to spending any money on type ratings etc.
In other words, the figures you get from here may be misleading, even if the poster is genuine in their assertions about how true they are. What is important is what will be true for YOU as a new joiner. Only Ryanair can tell you that. (You also need to check from when you will be paid at the full rate as some people spend a long time waiting for their first pay check - another issue well covered in current and previous threads here on prune).
There is NO publised Ryanair pilot salary scale. There are no figures that can be said to be "the" salary figures. The best paid Ryanair pilots are generally contractors. The rest do the same work for wildly varying sums.
So, no matter what the truth of an individual set of figures presented here, it is absolutely imperative that any prospective pilot employee obtains, IN WRITING, the basis upon which they are to be employed BEFORE committing to the airline or, especially, to spending any money on type ratings etc.
In other words, the figures you get from here may be misleading, even if the poster is genuine in their assertions about how true they are. What is important is what will be true for YOU as a new joiner. Only Ryanair can tell you that. (You also need to check from when you will be paid at the full rate as some people spend a long time waiting for their first pay check - another issue well covered in current and previous threads here on prune).
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Sapco2 - atse is correct in that there are many different payscales within FR and you have to check what you are offered at the time of employment.
gstall's average of 1850 per month average sector pay is IMHO light - it is closer to 2400 per month and any taxation agreement is irrelevant since this figure is net of taxes. The tax is paid by FR at source. Don't let anyone tell you established pilots in FR are badly paid!!!
gstall's average of 1850 per month average sector pay is IMHO light - it is closer to 2400 per month and any taxation agreement is irrelevant since this figure is net of taxes. The tax is paid by FR at source. Don't let anyone tell you established pilots in FR are badly paid!!!
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now, now wingco...calm down dear. either you are a management plant or just naively ill informed. (£2400 sector pay every month for 12 months? - don't make me laugh)
g stall has it just about right. i've posted my salary details elsewhere on pprune (do a search). i've been here over 5 years and it hasn't changed for the uk since the 5 year deal that's about to end.
atse - i agree there are no published scales and each contractor's contract will be unique but i think you'll find that all permanent uk captains earn roughly the same amount with slight variances depending on time in the company. it's not a secret - just ask a few.
g stall has it just about right. i've posted my salary details elsewhere on pprune (do a search). i've been here over 5 years and it hasn't changed for the uk since the 5 year deal that's about to end.
atse - i agree there are no published scales and each contractor's contract will be unique but i think you'll find that all permanent uk captains earn roughly the same amount with slight variances depending on time in the company. it's not a secret - just ask a few.
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Ryanirplot, on the contrary, I think if you were to winkle out of some of the contractors what their pay (and total deal is) is you might be surprised. Anyway, we are only arguing around the real issue, which is that total Ryanair crew costs are significantly lower than those of other airlines - mainly because the overall pilot group gets much less in pay and benefits than occurs elsewhere. This statement is not disproved by the fact that some pilots are very happy with their "take home" pay.
BTW, I think there are recently arrived captains on much less than you suggest particularly, but not exclusively, at bases outside of the U.K. (We also need to refer to the "Ryanair- waiting for line training" thread here to provide a better picture for prospective new joiners).
BTW, I think there are recently arrived captains on much less than you suggest particularly, but not exclusively, at bases outside of the U.K. (We also need to refer to the "Ryanair- waiting for line training" thread here to provide a better picture for prospective new joiners).
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now, now wingco...calm down dear. either you are a management plant or just naively ill informed.
I can only state facts as per my experience when I was based in STN - but then as a management plant I WOULD be on a better deal than you I guess......
Best month = £3k
Worst = £1800
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From PPJN :ryanair UK sector pay details as follows
0-3.4 hrs scheduled block time - £45
3.5-4.9 hrs scheduled block time - £80
5.0-6.9 hrs scheduled block time - £130
7.0+ hrs scheduled block time - £185
using the 2 higher figures and the best rostering of all time give maximum figures over 900 hrs per year of....
5hr flights only : 900/5 = 180
180*130 = £23400 take home per annum
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7hr flights only : 900/7 = 128.6
128.6*185 = £23785 take home per annum.
divide total by 12 gives a MAXIMUM 12 month average of 23785/12 = £1982
of course i should imagine that the rosters are not so generous and would be filled with 6.9 hr days for £130 or 8hr+ days for £185, further reducing maximum monthly take home.
Further to that WCF an average of £2400 over any 12 month period would result in a MINIMUM of 90.8 hrs flown per month equating to 1089.7 hours per year!!!!!!!!!
From what friends tell me regards contract pilots, they get paid in Euro's. Take their gross annual euro amount, convert it into sterling, and their pre tax pay is not significantly different to a permanent UK SFO gross pay. Its amazing how dumb some people can be by not allowing themselves to look at the BIG picture. (although being a contract pilot would facilitate tax evasion if that's the kinda thing you're into)
0-3.4 hrs scheduled block time - £45
3.5-4.9 hrs scheduled block time - £80
5.0-6.9 hrs scheduled block time - £130
7.0+ hrs scheduled block time - £185
using the 2 higher figures and the best rostering of all time give maximum figures over 900 hrs per year of....
5hr flights only : 900/5 = 180
180*130 = £23400 take home per annum
or
7hr flights only : 900/7 = 128.6
128.6*185 = £23785 take home per annum.
divide total by 12 gives a MAXIMUM 12 month average of 23785/12 = £1982
of course i should imagine that the rosters are not so generous and would be filled with 6.9 hr days for £130 or 8hr+ days for £185, further reducing maximum monthly take home.
Further to that WCF an average of £2400 over any 12 month period would result in a MINIMUM of 90.8 hrs flown per month equating to 1089.7 hours per year!!!!!!!!!
From what friends tell me regards contract pilots, they get paid in Euro's. Take their gross annual euro amount, convert it into sterling, and their pre tax pay is not significantly different to a permanent UK SFO gross pay. Its amazing how dumb some people can be by not allowing themselves to look at the BIG picture. (although being a contract pilot would facilitate tax evasion if that's the kinda thing you're into)
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Here's what I was able to filter out from the various statements so far:
There is NO publised Ryanair pilot salary scale. There are no figures that can be said to be "the" salary figures. The best paid Ryanair pilots are generally contractors. The rest do the same work for wildly varying sums.
CMD per year / CMD per month
Net salary £35'930 / £2'994
Tax £12'720 /£1'060
National insurance £3'257 / £271
sector pay £22'200 / £1'850 (average)
Gross salary £74'107 / £6'176
30% tax on sector pay £6'660 / £555 (Ryanair paysTax on sector pay)
5% pension on basic sal. £1'796 / £150 (Ryanair pays 5% on net salary)
Total £82'563 / £6'880
Sector Pay:
0 - 3.5hrs scheduled block time per day £45
3.5 - 5hrs scheduled block time per day £80
5 - 7hrs scheduled block time per day £130
7+hrs scheduled block time per day £185
Those values are tax free (tax paid for by company).
Net salary in FR at STN/PIK/LTN base:
S/O £1100 net
F/O £1400 net
Senior £F/O 1700 net
captn: £3200 net
sector pay: £1850 average 12 months (min 1800, peak 3000)
Therea has been a five year pay deal which gave 3% increase each year,but ONLY on basic salary,whilst sector pay is decreasing at the same rate.
Can anyone with insight comment on that?
There is NO publised Ryanair pilot salary scale. There are no figures that can be said to be "the" salary figures. The best paid Ryanair pilots are generally contractors. The rest do the same work for wildly varying sums.
CMD per year / CMD per month
Net salary £35'930 / £2'994
Tax £12'720 /£1'060
National insurance £3'257 / £271
sector pay £22'200 / £1'850 (average)
Gross salary £74'107 / £6'176
30% tax on sector pay £6'660 / £555 (Ryanair paysTax on sector pay)
5% pension on basic sal. £1'796 / £150 (Ryanair pays 5% on net salary)
Total £82'563 / £6'880
Sector Pay:
0 - 3.5hrs scheduled block time per day £45
3.5 - 5hrs scheduled block time per day £80
5 - 7hrs scheduled block time per day £130
7+hrs scheduled block time per day £185
Those values are tax free (tax paid for by company).
Net salary in FR at STN/PIK/LTN base:
S/O £1100 net
F/O £1400 net
Senior £F/O 1700 net
captn: £3200 net
sector pay: £1850 average 12 months (min 1800, peak 3000)
Therea has been a five year pay deal which gave 3% increase each year,but ONLY on basic salary,whilst sector pay is decreasing at the same rate.
Can anyone with insight comment on that?
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.......err obviously not me!!! My insight has been royally proved to be outsight and to be honest I really cannot understand how?
Flyingsand's figures seem clear enough and I've sat and struggled for half an hour to work out how to justify my claims and my weak efforts are:
Some months you get your annual leave payments as well,
Sometimes you actually fly LESS than the scheduled block hrs,
Sometimes you get a day off payment,
BUT as FS states, many of the duty days were shaved to be 5 mins less than the next break, schedules were really relatively realistic and I NEVER sold a day off!!! Err.......
I never got the 3k I claimed but seem to remember being VERY close and seem to remember one guy telling me he'd got it as he was one of the few who was Salzburg checked...... Looks like it's humble pie NOT mince pie for me then!!!
Flyingsand's figures seem clear enough and I've sat and struggled for half an hour to work out how to justify my claims and my weak efforts are:
Some months you get your annual leave payments as well,
Sometimes you actually fly LESS than the scheduled block hrs,
Sometimes you get a day off payment,
BUT as FS states, many of the duty days were shaved to be 5 mins less than the next break, schedules were really relatively realistic and I NEVER sold a day off!!! Err.......
I never got the 3k I claimed but seem to remember being VERY close and seem to remember one guy telling me he'd got it as he was one of the few who was Salzburg checked...... Looks like it's humble pie NOT mince pie for me then!!!
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I'm based in STN and don't make me laugh. 3000 pounds on a good month for sector pay! Man, all I can say is that I've been here for a year an a half and the most I've seen is around 2400 pounds and in the last 6 months I've seen my sector check decreasing a good 200 to 300 pounds every month.
This is a reallity check:
· Captain basic salary = 3100 pounds/net
· Sector pay = 1850 pounds/net (calculated average from my last 10 months)
And here is another one mentioned many times before: no food, no water, no uniform, no loss of license, no pension, no medical insurance, no free parking, no free airport ID, no sim allowances (Oh! yes I forgot 40 pounds a day to pay for your transportation and accommodation), no relocation allowance (and you can be rellocated as they please on a week notice, as per contract)
· Do your own maths.
And last but not least, expect to work your nuts off and do not request any days off on a set date because you won't get (and I mean daughter's wedding, doctor's appointment...) in fact if you don't use your leave entitlement by the end of March you will simply lose it (as per contract) and trust me to get any leave at the moment is a full time job. What a joke!
Today I am just feel like writting the negative things about Ryanair and maybe tomorrow I will write the good things too because not everything is as bad as they put it here in PPRUNE.
For me at the moment it suits me just fine but when it won't I will simply leave because after all I am one of the ones that think that if you don't like, leave.
Look man, it is not so bad but this company at the moment is far from idyllic and there are a lot of issues that need to be sorted to make this company a good company to spend the rest of your career in.
Keep up the good work guys and have safe flights !!!
This is a reallity check:
· Captain basic salary = 3100 pounds/net
· Sector pay = 1850 pounds/net (calculated average from my last 10 months)
And here is another one mentioned many times before: no food, no water, no uniform, no loss of license, no pension, no medical insurance, no free parking, no free airport ID, no sim allowances (Oh! yes I forgot 40 pounds a day to pay for your transportation and accommodation), no relocation allowance (and you can be rellocated as they please on a week notice, as per contract)
· Do your own maths.
And last but not least, expect to work your nuts off and do not request any days off on a set date because you won't get (and I mean daughter's wedding, doctor's appointment...) in fact if you don't use your leave entitlement by the end of March you will simply lose it (as per contract) and trust me to get any leave at the moment is a full time job. What a joke!
Today I am just feel like writting the negative things about Ryanair and maybe tomorrow I will write the good things too because not everything is as bad as they put it here in PPRUNE.
For me at the moment it suits me just fine but when it won't I will simply leave because after all I am one of the ones that think that if you don't like, leave.
Look man, it is not so bad but this company at the moment is far from idyllic and there are a lot of issues that need to be sorted to make this company a good company to spend the rest of your career in.
Keep up the good work guys and have safe flights !!!
