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lelac,figures correct.but by slight of hand fr has pared last years 7hour 10 flights to 6 hours 55 and so forth.meaning that what last year meant a good sector payment has been pared back quite a bit.all pilots reporting noticable drop in sector pay from last year.
fr will try to adjust sector pay to pay per sector soon.figures mentioned £43 per sector per capt and £35 per sector per copilot.with sectors getting longer and longer.well you can see who will benefit from that deal.
fr will try to adjust sector pay to pay per sector soon.figures mentioned £43 per sector per capt and £35 per sector per copilot.with sectors getting longer and longer.well you can see who will benefit from that deal.
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130,000???????
Hi,
A friend of mine has received yesterday a FR contract for a Capt. position, Fra. Hann Base, 60.000 euro gross, plus 30.000 tax free.......How can you get 130.000 after only 3 years ???
Cheers,
A friend of mine has received yesterday a FR contract for a Capt. position, Fra. Hann Base, 60.000 euro gross, plus 30.000 tax free.......How can you get 130.000 after only 3 years ???
Cheers,
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Understand that what they recieve 'tax free' has already had tax paid on it before it reaches them. Based on paying the German income tax rate at the highest level at 52% 30,000 euro 'take home' equates to 63,000 euro Gross.
Take the 63,000 add to the basic and you have a total gross salary of 123,000 Euro in year one.
At least thats how I presume Ryanair do their figures when enticing crew and you can do the same when it comes to applying for finances/mortgage etc.
Take the 63,000 add to the basic and you have a total gross salary of 123,000 Euro in year one.
At least thats how I presume Ryanair do their figures when enticing crew and you can do the same when it comes to applying for finances/mortgage etc.
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Flyingsand,you got it in one(most dont).Average take home after a couple of years & paying (married) Irish tax/social charges in a European base is 6000e for Capt on permanent contract, equalled out over 12 months(Annual leave a little less/a busy month a little more)Not the kings ransom they would prefer you believe,particularly if (like many of us )you commute, and maintain a second dwelling (yes I know it's a choice) in which case a contract position is more lucrative but with a lot less roster stability.
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FR sector pay, warning for type rated pilots
Guys, be carefull about the statments in your contract that you will get sector pay "as per uk pilot agreement".
They intentionaly do not include figures in contract. Official explanation is that this is because it is tax free, but the reason is that this fact lets manipulate with this part of your salary.
I joined FR recently as type rated FO and my contract says that I should get sector pay "as per uk pilot agreement", but after line check I was plased on 50% sector pay for 6 month. They did the same with all of my colegues who are on permanent contract with FR.
All who are affected by this illegal pay cut started argue with managers,but they do not care are we happy or not , will we leave or not. Do not underestimate how bad you will be treated by FR management.
My advise to you guys,who are about to join FR,- do not go on permanent contract with FR. Brookfield contract looks much more safe.
Also I confirm that statments about "top salaries" in FR advertisements are lie.
They intentionaly do not include figures in contract. Official explanation is that this is because it is tax free, but the reason is that this fact lets manipulate with this part of your salary.
I joined FR recently as type rated FO and my contract says that I should get sector pay "as per uk pilot agreement", but after line check I was plased on 50% sector pay for 6 month. They did the same with all of my colegues who are on permanent contract with FR.
All who are affected by this illegal pay cut started argue with managers,but they do not care are we happy or not , will we leave or not. Do not underestimate how bad you will be treated by FR management.
My advise to you guys,who are about to join FR,- do not go on permanent contract with FR. Brookfield contract looks much more safe.
Also I confirm that statments about "top salaries" in FR advertisements are lie.
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Yes Captplaystation,
but 60.000 is the starting salary. if the truth is, that this salary increases up to 85.000 gross, than at the end it is more than 6.000 Euro/month(married). It is even more than 7.000/month.
As an Insider, you certainly know it better than me,
these are just figures I see.
but 60.000 is the starting salary. if the truth is, that this salary increases up to 85.000 gross, than at the end it is more than 6.000 Euro/month(married). It is even more than 7.000/month.
As an Insider, you certainly know it better than me,
these are just figures I see.
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Wish it were true,but the only" European based" guys I see making much more than 6K a month are trainers(who don't make "that" much more),managers(who don't tell us much/don't know if they are embarrased by how much,or how little, extra they get!?) & contract guys.Or maybe there is something I don't know ( certainly not the first time).As previously posted, everyone seems to be getting a bit less in sector pay, as certain duties inexorably slip into shorter less well paid days
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Captplaystation, you might be able to answer this, but is there a noticible difference in the pay of european based pilots compared to uk based pilots? Again the fligth international advert seemed to display a difference, in particular to that of the captains salary.
Also, If I may, what are the advantages & disadvantages of signing up to RYR as a contract pilot?
Also, If I may, what are the advantages & disadvantages of signing up to RYR as a contract pilot?
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Hi guys, nothing to do with salary, I know. But since there are some ryanair pilots here in this thread...
Has Ryanair already adopted the New Normal Procedures on their NG fleet?? If they already did, anyone flying for FR, do you have any comment about that? How was it introduced? And was it well accepted by everybody??
Has Ryanair already adopted the New Normal Procedures on their NG fleet?? If they already did, anyone flying for FR, do you have any comment about that? How was it introduced? And was it well accepted by everybody??
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Capt Playstation.......a contract position is more lucrative
Only if they don't declare all of their earnings to the taxman
From speaking to guys who work there, If you take the average salary of a contract capt. and apply the relevent taxes to the FULL amount, they get pretty crappy pay. Obviously they do have the ability to dodge the taxman much easier by being a contract pilot, and they could further do this by giving themselves a salary, as in running their own business. Also I'm not sure if they would be able to claim accomodation costs, sim costs etc back from the taxman????
To TakeitEasy.......
german tax rates 2004
not the 52% i'd previously dug out, but 45% at the higher rate.
thus 30,000 Euro take home taxed at the higher rate would be approx 55,000 Gross.
added to 60K original value gives 115,000 euro.
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Take it Easy,thought I would answer your Q's here as it will probably be of general interest. Social charges (PRSI in Irish speak) around 300e/month. 6000e/ month is salary minus married tax (around 3500 in year 1) plus sector pay (2500-3000 after tax/which RYR pay and you only see at year end on a P60 supplement)which varies each month and seems to be on a downward trend due to manipulation of our block hours.Annual leave attracts a payment of 75e/day so your monthly take home(everything else at your expense ) will fall in the range of say 5800-6500, probably just over 6000 averaged out over 12mths.We have/had ( it is up for renewal soon) a five year pay deal which gave 3% increase each year,but ONLY on basic salary,whilst, as previously stated ,sector pay probably is decreasing at the same rate!? great huh?At any one time you hear rumours of more deals than pilots(RYR like it this way) and for sure the guys who are here a bit longer ,have in the past made a lot of money off share options,but ,apart from(and sometimes even not!)your own contract , this will be the only thing you can be 100% familiar with.Welcome to the world of horse-dealers! The Devils advocate; I believe UK Capt take 5500-5700 lovely pounds per month(Oh yes a bit more than us "Europeans" but work just one day in STN and you won't begrudge them it!) which is a good deal for the non-STN guys.Contract vs Permanent? permanent -roster stability,only one base; contract more money( with the potential tax "complications/loop-holes" alluded to by Flying sand)more hassle and a gypsy life-style unless you "nominate a base" in which case more stability/less money(sound familiar?) with the added "frisson" of taking care of your own tax affairs.A lot of contractors(particularly F/O's ) were bullied(can I say that?) out of thier nice 5 on 5 off contract about a year ago, and very few Capt's seem to have stood their ground on this(many simply said if it ain't 5 / 5 goodbye ,some accepted ,some survived the hit &and retain"old" contract; it depended on their balls on the day.If you get something approaching what you want(but be 100% sure you have!) I would say why not, but read everything on here(yes 99% of it is true!) and come in with your eyes and ears open, and to survive long term mouth shut(at least in public. . .)
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Ryanair salary
Ryanair claims to have "best paid short haul pilots in Europe" (see Ryanair recruitment site), making up to €130'000.- (F/O 80'000.-). Are these realistic figures, including sector pay? I heard that Ryanair had a pay rise recently. Anyone out there who can provide accurate information?
