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Lets not make the mistakes of the past though. Everyone has to be kept informed whether BALPA or not. That is the only way more will join if they understand what is going on prior to a decision/vote being made. Many doubters want to see action, so show them you mean business. There are more than enough members to seriously effect Easy's profitability should it reluctantly get to more direct action.
I repeat that no-one wants that.
We do want to work for a successful airline that respects us as an asset not an unfortunate cost. A decent salary, a pension that means I'm not slogging my guts out for 20 years to just work in B&Q
"raw plugs............isle 5 sir"
and a roster and leave system that actually allows me to see my family
. Were I don't feel I'm reguarly asked to bend over and receive a wrist with a diving watch on 
Here's an idea, how about we save money by not sending out useless magazines (that tell me the HR director supports Everton..joy) which I can't find empoyment for even in the lavatory - you cant I've tried.....remember Izle!
Or maybe lets not sponser some African Ski team .....Whaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!
No I'm not joking.
As for JP leaving, surely if he is it will only be to move closer to the airport and reduce his commute!!
I repeat that no-one wants that.
We do want to work for a successful airline that respects us as an asset not an unfortunate cost. A decent salary, a pension that means I'm not slogging my guts out for 20 years to just work in B&Q
"raw plugs............isle 5 sir"
and a roster and leave system that actually allows me to see my family
. Were I don't feel I'm reguarly asked to bend over and receive a wrist with a diving watch on Here's an idea, how about we save money by not sending out useless magazines (that tell me the HR director supports Everton..joy) which I can't find empoyment for even in the lavatory - you cant I've tried.....remember Izle!
Or maybe lets not sponser some African Ski team .....Whaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!
No I'm not joking.As for JP leaving, surely if he is it will only be to move closer to the airport and reduce his commute!!
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Sharpen up 42, the plugs are in aisle 6 now!!!
Sad fact is, the serious doubters all want to see the results before they join up...........when of course they'll say "what's the point in joining up now 'cos we got what we wanted anyway"..........
Let's ask Mrs Trellis of North Wales what she thinks..........................................
Sad fact is, the serious doubters all want to see the results before they join up...........when of course they'll say "what's the point in joining up now 'cos we got what we wanted anyway"..........
Let's ask Mrs Trellis of North Wales what she thinks..........................................
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For some maybe but not for many more. Basically let's not stick our collective heads in the sand. An attitude of why bother on both sides doesn't help and postings such as your last merely reiterate other entrench views.
Forget the past....all of it, especially the mistakes and yes the union has made some!
Frankly I don't "give a fig" for the past 10 years I'm more interested in the next 10.
So let's use this forum to educate all in Easyjet ( to get the agreement we want not that they want) rather than recriminate amongst oursleves. For too long that has been the way. This is not a them and us situation but a collective push for the deal we deserve.
I firmly believe that if the CC shows heart , makes a stand and publicly shows it (to all not just members) the backing of a vast number of the workforce will be gained.
Management beware before you wake a sleeping tiger..........even if it is a totally knackered one after 5 earlies
"Viva Republica"
Forget the past....all of it, especially the mistakes and yes the union has made some!
Frankly I don't "give a fig" for the past 10 years I'm more interested in the next 10.
So let's use this forum to educate all in Easyjet ( to get the agreement we want not that they want) rather than recriminate amongst oursleves. For too long that has been the way. This is not a them and us situation but a collective push for the deal we deserve.
I firmly believe that if the CC shows heart , makes a stand and publicly shows it (to all not just members) the backing of a vast number of the workforce will be gained.
Management beware before you wake a sleeping tiger..........even if it is a totally knackered one after 5 earlies
"Viva Republica"
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The likes of Thomsonfly have good terms and conditions, why I hear you ask? It's not because Thomsonfly are a kind bunch who really want to sacrafice their profit to look after the employees out of the goodness of their hearts. it's because they have over 90% Balpa members and not around 50% like Easyjet have.
Trust me if the likes of Thomsonfly and BA could get away with lowering your terms and conditions and make you work to the max hours like Easyjet they would but unfortunatly for them they have a high number of Balpa members which put the work force in a strong position for negotiations.
Trust me if the likes of Thomsonfly and BA could get away with lowering your terms and conditions and make you work to the max hours like Easyjet they would but unfortunatly for them they have a high number of Balpa members which put the work force in a strong position for negotiations.
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Yes Stone Cold you are quite right. Recent TFLY incumbents have been gently pursuaded (if you know what I mean) by their peers into joining BALPA. Especially if they have ambitions to progress.
It is no coincidence that their terms & conditions are very good.
Here at easy we have a new boss who claims to be family orientated so lets hope that this is reflected in the present negotiations. We need to get the BALPA membership up to reinforce the CC's mandate and be able to send the right signals to the Company. Presently, morale could be better, Pilot attrition cannot be healthy at 8% and many more are planning to leave.
Does the company really think that sending us all a 10th anniversary hardbound souvenir book through the post is Low Cost? Or indeed will improve our outlook? I would be happy to receive some paper manuals for the Airbus!
Oh and by the way, B & Q look after their staff- private health care, better pension etc.
Come On Lets Join Balpa. (You know you want to!)
It is no coincidence that their terms & conditions are very good.
Here at easy we have a new boss who claims to be family orientated so lets hope that this is reflected in the present negotiations. We need to get the BALPA membership up to reinforce the CC's mandate and be able to send the right signals to the Company. Presently, morale could be better, Pilot attrition cannot be healthy at 8% and many more are planning to leave.
Does the company really think that sending us all a 10th anniversary hardbound souvenir book through the post is Low Cost? Or indeed will improve our outlook? I would be happy to receive some paper manuals for the Airbus!
Oh and by the way, B & Q look after their staff- private health care, better pension etc.
Come On Lets Join Balpa. (You know you want to!)
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Sorry, I think you will find the figure is nearer 12%, planned at 5%.
But its okay because most are going "long haul".Head in the sand agin JP.
If I rejoin BALPA ,do you think a conclusion to the 18 months of negotiation would be forthcoming?
With Orange Land bods told to cut costs buy 40%, me thinks our deal is going to be poor. But we need to keep people, long term.
Cadets/TRSS are technically unbonded, and many will not have a sense of loyalty, being exprienced they have had to pay to join our company.Some will be lucky and get the command, but it isn't the given that they have been sold before joining.They may not wish to wait three to five years when they could be making their way up a senoirity based airlines scale.
As it goes it suits me but 5254 doesn't.
What would be good? 5354 or 5454 or 4444.
Loyalty bonus for FOs/SFOs after say 5yrs if no command.
Sector pay increase (Tax benefits) plus hourly rate. Still unpaid for position/taxi etc.
Cabin crew have negotiated paid holiday,what have we got?
We all have hopes and dreams i hope we can achieve some of them.
But its okay because most are going "long haul".Head in the sand agin JP.
If I rejoin BALPA ,do you think a conclusion to the 18 months of negotiation would be forthcoming?
With Orange Land bods told to cut costs buy 40%, me thinks our deal is going to be poor. But we need to keep people, long term.
Cadets/TRSS are technically unbonded, and many will not have a sense of loyalty, being exprienced they have had to pay to join our company.Some will be lucky and get the command, but it isn't the given that they have been sold before joining.They may not wish to wait three to five years when they could be making their way up a senoirity based airlines scale.
As it goes it suits me but 5254 doesn't.
What would be good? 5354 or 5454 or 4444.
Loyalty bonus for FOs/SFOs after say 5yrs if no command.
Sector pay increase (Tax benefits) plus hourly rate. Still unpaid for position/taxi etc.
Cabin crew have negotiated paid holiday,what have we got?
We all have hopes and dreams i hope we can achieve some of them.
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From your comments your are clearly one of those who left BALPA through disillusionment in the past. I have every sympathy as I did the same and for the first 18 month in the company I held exactly your view. All I can tell you is that I have decided to make the sacrifices necessary to fight with my colleagues at this difficult time. If you do not join you cannot have a single complaint if you get a rubbish deal. BALPA's ability to negotiate successfully is directly proportional to its membership levels which I am told (although in truth I do not know) are round about 52%. We simply must have your support mate and I would encourage you to put the past behind (however unsatisfactory your past BALPA experiences have been) and join with those who are fighting for your future.
Our managers/board members are about to make some serious money as rewards for 'cost saving' - and you and I are about to pay for it! I really like easyJet and want to make it work but I will not stand idly by and prepare for poverty in my old age whilst others get huge bonuses for puting me there! These are as critical negotiations as easyJet pilots have ever had. It is simply vital that our CC negotiators are given a big mandate to do whatever it takes to ensure everyone gets to share in easyJet's success and not just a few. Please come and join us in our efforts to ensure a great future for everyone at easyJet.
From your comments your are clearly one of those who left BALPA through disillusionment in the past. I have every sympathy as I did the same and for the first 18 month in the company I held exactly your view. All I can tell you is that I have decided to make the sacrifices necessary to fight with my colleagues at this difficult time. If you do not join you cannot have a single complaint if you get a rubbish deal. BALPA's ability to negotiate successfully is directly proportional to its membership levels which I am told (although in truth I do not know) are round about 52%. We simply must have your support mate and I would encourage you to put the past behind (however unsatisfactory your past BALPA experiences have been) and join with those who are fighting for your future.
Our managers/board members are about to make some serious money as rewards for 'cost saving' - and you and I are about to pay for it! I really like easyJet and want to make it work but I will not stand idly by and prepare for poverty in my old age whilst others get huge bonuses for puting me there! These are as critical negotiations as easyJet pilots have ever had. It is simply vital that our CC negotiators are given a big mandate to do whatever it takes to ensure everyone gets to share in easyJet's success and not just a few. Please come and join us in our efforts to ensure a great future for everyone at easyJet.
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Excellent post NSF, I do agree that it's time to draw a line in the sand.
The Market Economics are starting to work in our favour aswell.
Some bad things have happened whilst BALPA was at the helm, but it wasn't helped by membership numbers. Past is past though and I sense a drive from the current council to go forward.
I was seriously hacked off by the loss of some stuff in the past but we have to look beyond and try to make this airline work for all of us!
The Market Economics are starting to work in our favour aswell.
Some bad things have happened whilst BALPA was at the helm, but it wasn't helped by membership numbers. Past is past though and I sense a drive from the current council to go forward.
I was seriously hacked off by the loss of some stuff in the past but we have to look beyond and try to make this airline work for all of us!
i hope we can achieve some of them
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Wizo , now is not the time for snipes at non members. I have consistently been on the BALPA fence and do not agree with a lot that has happened BUT....the time is nigh. This time we need a result. get into BALPA guys and get voting. I urge our colleagues in mainland Europe to do the same.
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Thank you guys. With brow beating non-members you are sure to encourage more members or may be open letters to retiring Captains is an example of how childish the meetings must be in orange land.
I was a founding member of easyJet BALPA when many of you were not in easyJet. It was worse then but has been very muchbetter. I sat at a meeting in Luton and seven other people showed up only one of the current CC were present. We requested direct action and the BALPA rep wanted to wait, hence the deal was weak.
In spite of the above I will lend my support and have emailed my application to BALPA in a vain hope to get a bigger stick.
For those of you outside BALPA join for yourselves not because of the wasted negative energy that some members throw at you.
I was a founding member of easyJet BALPA when many of you were not in easyJet. It was worse then but has been very muchbetter. I sat at a meeting in Luton and seven other people showed up only one of the current CC were present. We requested direct action and the BALPA rep wanted to wait, hence the deal was weak.
In spite of the above I will lend my support and have emailed my application to BALPA in a vain hope to get a bigger stick.
For those of you outside BALPA join for yourselves not because of the wasted negative energy that some members throw at you.
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I agree shouting at people doesn't encourage folk to join. As I have previously said I too was a union cynic having been let down in the past but now is the time to put that aside before we royally get shafted again!!
That fab, expensive book telling me how great the last 10 years have been just arrived.........."we're all one happy family" apparantly. Do you think they actually believe this stuff?
I firmly feel we are now at a crossroads where we have to make a stand. We're cheesed off and exhausted so are the crew and the ground handlers at Luton are contemplating strike action. Yep, we're all one happy family!!
Is BALPA expensive - yes it is let's not fool ourselves. But to all I say give it a try even if it's only until the pay deal is done. To the CC I say now is your chance, stand firm and say NO if the deal is not what we want or deserve. Otherwise everyone wil just give themselves a 1% pay rise.
Maybe someone should e-mail this thread to the new CEO.
Oh, there's no more places at RWs leaving do........shame, I was desperate to go
That fab, expensive book telling me how great the last 10 years have been just arrived.........."we're all one happy family" apparantly. Do you think they actually believe this stuff?
I firmly feel we are now at a crossroads where we have to make a stand. We're cheesed off and exhausted so are the crew and the ground handlers at Luton are contemplating strike action. Yep, we're all one happy family!!
Is BALPA expensive - yes it is let's not fool ourselves. But to all I say give it a try even if it's only until the pay deal is done. To the CC I say now is your chance, stand firm and say NO if the deal is not what we want or deserve. Otherwise everyone wil just give themselves a 1% pay rise.
Maybe someone should e-mail this thread to the new CEO.
Oh, there's no more places at RWs leaving do........shame, I was desperate to go
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Is BALPA expensive - yes it is let's not fool ourselves.
It's so easy slagging off a union when the results are not visibly paying off, but just watch 'your own passive colleagues' join in huge numbers when they realise there's actual personal benefit for them.
Sad attitute that is...
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I don't think that stating a fact is "slagging the union off!"
£55 per month is what I am paying for BALPA, it is not an inconsiderable sum. In fact it is more than my loss of licence ins.Which is more likely to be used judging by the health issues some of our collegues have suffered.
I say again stop slagging off non members it will reduce the chances of them joining, not what I think you want.Please come up with coherent reasons for them to do so a carrot rather than the stick!
£55 per month is what I am paying for BALPA, it is not an inconsiderable sum. In fact it is more than my loss of licence ins.Which is more likely to be used judging by the health issues some of our collegues have suffered.
I say again stop slagging off non members it will reduce the chances of them joining, not what I think you want.Please come up with coherent reasons for them to do so a carrot rather than the stick!
, divided we fall 
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We need to stop slanging match now , another little nugget today on top of the 0% pay offer . Base Captains are now confirming that MXP will be a european contract , it is the intention of the company to place all its non UK ops on a new contract , much less than the UK one .
Ask your base Capt ' . i did.
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Ask your base Capt ' . i did.
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EZY basing
Hi all ,
Just curious about basing issues at EZY , I have read this section on their website , however , what is the reality of base preferences for new joiners as a SFO .
Any realistic and truthful info would be greatly appreciated .
Just curious about basing issues at EZY , I have read this section on their website , however , what is the reality of base preferences for new joiners as a SFO .
Any realistic and truthful info would be greatly appreciated .
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It's all looking pretty grim isn't it. I appreciate the CC can't comment too much while the negociations are "progressing" or not but if the rumours are true we need to get these difficulties into the general pilot domain. Can we not have an update that can be promogated in the crewrooms or indeed on PPRUNE for all to see . Then our argument to convince others to get behind the struggle is multiplied.
While I can't speak for other bases at mine the attitude is becoming more militant. I think we all realise we are facing an uphill struggle but I've yet to meet anyone who isn't up for a fight.
I don't want to see our aircraft on the ground or get into dropping the gear at 20 miles (yes its been done in other carriers) but we all agree it about time the Ivory Tower in Luton realised we want a fair deal.
"HOLD FAST"
I see the 10 year book is selling well on e-bay!!
While I can't speak for other bases at mine the attitude is becoming more militant. I think we all realise we are facing an uphill struggle but I've yet to meet anyone who isn't up for a fight.
I don't want to see our aircraft on the ground or get into dropping the gear at 20 miles (yes its been done in other carriers) but we all agree it about time the Ivory Tower in Luton realised we want a fair deal.
"HOLD FAST"
I see the 10 year book is selling well on e-bay!!
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IF what Nil f is stating is indeed the company’s intention, where does that leave the pilots already on "UK" contracts at "European" bases?? Do they have the law on their side to change existing contracts?? Imagine an FO sitting on "old" contract in Milan with captain on "new" one..... Who knows how big the split will be, but it could potentially add some interesting aspects to CRM....
Looks like it's REALLY time for BALPA, AND the pilots not already in BALPA, to get their act together and start pulling some weight in this company, or else the battle will be lost and we'd all better start looking for new jobs.....
Looks like it's REALLY time for BALPA, AND the pilots not already in BALPA, to get their act together and start pulling some weight in this company, or else the battle will be lost and we'd all better start looking for new jobs.....