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Easyjet crm and tech refresher, or NOT

Old 24th Jul 2005, 13:53
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Easyjet crm and tech refresher, or NOT

Just had an interesting chat with some former colleagues and heard that Easyjet have scrapped all tech refresher training, and also that crm recurrent has all but gone. Training Dept are chuffed at how much money they have saved the company. Interesting times. Come out to the sand pit, better weather and conditions. You know you want to.
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Old 24th Jul 2005, 15:03
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CRM refresher and annual a/c refresher tng are mandatory to stay JAROPS 1 complient, arenīt they?

Canīt believe that story...
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Old 24th Jul 2005, 15:07
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I wouldn't believe the story 'cos it just ain't true. I did it just a few weeks ago.

It's in a trimmed down format (which I don't particularly like btw) but it fulfills all the legal requirements of jarops.

Tech refresher is in identical format to BA, and SEP/CRM is one day groan in the classroom.

Oh dear, another rumour rubbished so quickly!
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Old 24th Jul 2005, 18:45
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Err , hang on a minute FlapsOne, the tech refresher is a D.I.Y. 100 question quiz with no outside assistance, i.e 100% look it up yourself, with your score attached to your roster at a later date, if they remember.

The SEP/CRM is an all day, one man band lecture/performance by Dr D. of BM/VS fame, and involves sitting in a classroom for a day and not falling asleep.

Fact.

Maybe the rumour is not "rubbished so quickly!'
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The SEP/CRM is an all day, one man band lecture/performance by Dr D. of BM/VS fame, and involves sitting in a classroom for a day and not falling asleep.
JAR compliant annual SEP should take about an hour and a half and CRM refresher about 4 hours.

Every third year might take a bit longer for the SEPs with the extra items.

Dont see a problem with what EZY are doing at least on paper.
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Old 24th Jul 2005, 20:04
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Like I say, same as BA (except their's was only 25 questions!!) and 100% JAROPS compliant.

FACT!
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Tech refresher: 100 questions designed to get piltos looking through the manual. Pretty good - saves downtime, and more beneficial than falling asleep in the classroom.

SEP: just the same

CRM: now tought by a professional rather than a one day trained pilot or flight attendant.

All JAR compliant, all perfectly satisfactory, all cost conscious, all limiting my time spent in LTN. In fact, all quit satisfactory.

So what was the point of this thread? I often wonder if this website does enough good to counter the unwarranted damage which it can sometimes encourage?

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Old 25th Jul 2005, 06:57
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CRM: now tought by a professional
Professional what?


No prizes for the correct answers (plural, since many words fit the bill).
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Can someone please explain the point of this thread? I have just been through the full works at EZY as a new joiner and I have to say it was comprehensive and covered all points equally if not better than my previous employer (large UK Charter).

What's wrong with a "look it up yourself in the books" questionaire. Except on the Bus at EZY we don't have books - nice little Panasonic Toughbooks with everything there. I think it is actually a good exercise because it keeps you familiar with finding your way around - which could be extremely handy if things get a bit frought one day.

The thread starter seems to think that eveyone should now leave EZY and head east to go and bake in 45°C, leave wife and kids behind to stew in heat and allegedly to get rest time in the bunk on the return leg ready to operate next sector on return.....

Thanks for the offer but I don't think so.

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Still sounds more than you would get at a low cost turboprop operator!

We get a 25 question test once a year about a quarter of which doesnt make sense or has only wrong answers!

As for CRM and SEP's?

CRM maybe 4 hours per year and SEP's about 3 hours.

Its all just a tick in the box.
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Dr D is a proffessional what exactly???? He never told us what his background was, as he felt it was on a need to know basis!

The new tech questionaire is good, it helps you find your way around the manuals again. For me though you cant beat a tech refresher day, they certainly made me think and I felt that my level of knowledge was higher after that than after doing the questionaire. I personally would like both as the questionaire asked alot about ops and perf etc.

SEP is ok though covers everything we need to know.

CRM was a joke, nobody could be arsed to argue the point as Dr D would get up on the biggest highest horse around ( he needs the extra height!!!!) and shout them down.

Typical EZY mentaility of trimming it to the bones, instead of trimming off a bit of fat!!!!

Oh but it meets the 'minimum' JAROPS requirements though...which makes it 'legal'.....Flapsone you should work in crewing / rostering!!!!
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Old 25th Jul 2005, 16:37
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It more than meets the minimum. I said it's 100% Jarops compliant which is different.

I couldn't work in crewing/rostering.......too much like hard work!
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A cynic might think that a DIY refresher allows them another unnecessary day's use out of you per year, wheras you lose yet another 2 days "off" doing the damn thing in your own time...

Chip, chip, chip...
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Well, you could do it in your own time if you were so company minded. Or you could chip, chip, chip away at it during flight. And then there's standby...

Besides, what would you rather do, Agaricus: spend another day in a classroom in LTN, or go flying? I'd rather stay at home and do neither, to be honest, but I'd choose the flying over a classroom in LTN any day!

I don't think we need to know a stunning amount about the aircraft; just how to fly it, what to press and when to press it. But we do need to know where to find information, and this is exactly what the tech questionnaire helps us achieve.

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Dear Quill,

Get your facts right-it takes rather more than a days training to become a CRMI! Maybe a look at CAP737 might enlighten you.


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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Before we get too far down the mud-slinging route about who is right and wrong, let's look at the facts.
The fact is that while Flaps One is quite correct in that the course is JAR compliant in it's new one day format (and that Dr D is of very little elevation) the nay-sayers are also quite correct.
A few years ago this was a three day event and I'm afraid some of us have never got used to the change as it is not for the better. The one day tech refresher was held with a systems expert from CTC and was universally regarded as excellent. CRM was infinitley better, and the Security aspect was carried out by professionals. This is not what happens today with the whole lot crammed into one day, no tech. refresher except in our own time which carries no weight as we are all too knackered to do it properly, and yes, I believe it was all down to cost.
With respect to Dr. D I personally got little value from it but others may disagree. As a former AVsec instructor myself in the early days of easyJet, many of his facts were wrong and in the CRM element, about 40% of the time was wasted with him telling us about his knowledge and experience and why we were lucky to have him, as if we could give a damn!!
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Hear hear Col K!

I got the impression that those in the know about Dr D's self-advertising were content to sit back and think about next week's lottery numbers, did I put the cat out and are Bolton going to win the League next season.

The unfortunate majority were however forced to participate in a sometimes laughable but always tense game of one-upmanship in which there is always only one winner - the Doc.

I always found the tech refresher day to be the most valuable of the three-day format with CRM usually bottom of the league. While I am grateful for only having to spend one night in the Ramada Redbourne, the whole thing seems to have been condensed into a cost-saving exercise rather than anything of any value.
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............and who needs/wants an hour for lunch at Ltn when faced with the consequence of the M1 at 1700hrs?

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The tech ref is sadly missed, the guy's from ctc were excellent.

As for SEP/CRM - I learn't nothing about CRM only what the dr d-h's CV looked like.

The best crm I did was with a pilot and cabin crew member leading the day about 16mths ago. It was excellent and in total contrast to listing to some p***k who fancies himself all day long.
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The current days CRM/SEP may meet the minimum requirements on paper but fails to achieve them in the classroom. The loss of the Tech day "Chalk and Talk" last year is a major step backwards.
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