BA DEP training question
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BA DEP training question
Being a slightly burnt out orange busdriver I am contemplating a jump to something bigger (better?)
A couple of questions for the ones that would like to add some info that I had a hard time finding in the other topics. Please excuse me if I have brought up old questions !
1)What does BA pay during ground and sim training ? Can one expect the normal basic pay, or some reduced version of that ? Maybe flight pay during sim ?
2)Does anybody know whether or not BA takes care of accomodation during training ?
3) Can some of the JUNIOR DEP 777 guys post some rosters (I did find some, but don't know whether they are senior rosters) in order to have an idea what a junior dude can expect to do ?
4) Like it or hate it ?
5) That's it !
Any other valuable info is of course very welcome !
Thang yuh verry merch (Elvis voice)
A couple of questions for the ones that would like to add some info that I had a hard time finding in the other topics. Please excuse me if I have brought up old questions !
1)What does BA pay during ground and sim training ? Can one expect the normal basic pay, or some reduced version of that ? Maybe flight pay during sim ?
2)Does anybody know whether or not BA takes care of accomodation during training ?
3) Can some of the JUNIOR DEP 777 guys post some rosters (I did find some, but don't know whether they are senior rosters) in order to have an idea what a junior dude can expect to do ?
4) Like it or hate it ?
5) That's it !
Any other valuable info is of course very welcome !
Thang yuh verry merch (Elvis voice)
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1. It'll be your basic pay, and no flight pay in the sim (nice try though!)
2. Not sure on that one, but suspect not.
3. A junior line on the 777 will have 5-6 trips on it (mostly 3 day trips), the majority being East Coast Stateside, or low credit trips. Expect to work the majority of weekends.
4. I'd think you'll love it. May not be a lot of variety initially, but gotta be better than 6 sectors a day!
5. That's it too!
Good luck!
2. Not sure on that one, but suspect not.
3. A junior line on the 777 will have 5-6 trips on it (mostly 3 day trips), the majority being East Coast Stateside, or low credit trips. Expect to work the majority of weekends.
4. I'd think you'll love it. May not be a lot of variety initially, but gotta be better than 6 sectors a day!
5. That's it too!
Good luck!
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Hi there, I came over to BA from a charter earlier this year. Answers…
1). Basic pay only, no allowances. This will work out around ~£2500/month net, until you start line training.
2). No, over to you to find a good b+b or similar!
3). Can't particularly help (I'm shorthaul) but believe 5-6 trips/month is the norm.
4). Entirely subjective this bit...
GOOD POINTS
Job Security. Must be the safest in the UK.
Roster stability. Haven't done anything different to what I've been rostered yet, so you really can bet on being home when you’re meant to with pretty good certainty.
Night stops. Okay, I'm under thirty and single. If you'd rather be at home with the wife and kids then maybe not for you, but having only done day trips in my previous life, am really enjoying getting off at the destinations for a change, sitting out in the sun outside our plush hotel whilst knocking back the beers, chatting up the hosties and getting paid for it all! Allowances add ~£700-1100 to your monthly net pay too.
Leave. 46 days per year ain’t bad in my book.
Staff Travel. A free pair of club world tickets a year? Unlimited First Class ID90s? Yes please…
Last and definitely not least... Pay!
BAD POINTS
Pension really isn't what it used to be. In fact its fairly cr@p.
NO weekends off when you first start. Not a big issue for me once again (see earlier) but maybe for you. No choice in what trips you get too, but then again in my old life neither I nor anyone else had any choice, even senior captains. This will only improve with time though…
Heathrow. No bus to the aircraft? No tug? Pax delayed due to not enough agents in the terminal? Number 15 in the queue to take off? 20 mins holding? This isn't really the place for you if you're the sort who likes everything to function like clockwork and becomes impatient/anxious/angry when it doesn’t. Adopting Carribean accent… You got to relax, mon! Blowing a gasket and screaming at the dispatcher or down the VHF company frequency achieves nothing, you need to know when to think ‘I’ve done all I can’, ask the Purser for another tea when she can manage it then put your feet up and read the paper! You'll get a tug when you get a tug and push when you push. If you can live with that, no worries. Besides, your knowledge of the geographical highlights around Bovingdon, Lambourne, Ockham and Biggin Hill will soon be second to none!
Time to command. Its been well presented in previous posts. This ain’t the place to go if you’re busting for a left seat at the earliest opportunity. On the other hand, a long-haul year 11 FO’s basic gross pay is the same as a newly promoted captain in my old company (~£65k). The BA F/O though, takes home much more because of the much better allowances. He’s also probably seeing the world on the jumbo, as opposed doing to his xxth Night Tenerife of the summer season. I can think of worse places to be.
They can make you work on your days off! This is my only major gripe at the moment, seems quite prehistoric.
In Summary...
There are a LOT of moaners in the company including many here on pprune and no doubt a lot of them will weigh in after I post this. Do a seach and you’ll find volumes of their injustices and lamentations - Its almost enough to put you off applying! Their main problem seems to be we’re working very hard, much harder than before (that and the demise of the cheeseboard). This is true. However since joining I’ve been conducting a quiet survey on every fellow nigel I talk to for >5 mins and I can say that nearly unequivocally that the worst offenders have either…
1. Joined BA straight out of the RAF, or…
2. Joined BA straight out the cadet scheme
No, I’m not casting judgement on ALL ex-RAF folk or ex-cadets, but just making the point you will often find quite a different attitude/demeanour from anyone who’s spent time in a smaller airline. My understanding is that BA pay me very good money to work up to 900 flying hours/1043 duty hours a year in accordance with the Flight Time Limitations and Bid Line Rules. If I really didn’t like that then I shouldn’t have joined, it was no secret!
My old job wasn't at all bad. This one's better though. Much better.
Hope some of the above helps and good luck whichever way you go,
VS
1). Basic pay only, no allowances. This will work out around ~£2500/month net, until you start line training.
2). No, over to you to find a good b+b or similar!
3). Can't particularly help (I'm shorthaul) but believe 5-6 trips/month is the norm.
4). Entirely subjective this bit...
GOOD POINTS
Job Security. Must be the safest in the UK.
Roster stability. Haven't done anything different to what I've been rostered yet, so you really can bet on being home when you’re meant to with pretty good certainty.
Night stops. Okay, I'm under thirty and single. If you'd rather be at home with the wife and kids then maybe not for you, but having only done day trips in my previous life, am really enjoying getting off at the destinations for a change, sitting out in the sun outside our plush hotel whilst knocking back the beers, chatting up the hosties and getting paid for it all! Allowances add ~£700-1100 to your monthly net pay too.
Leave. 46 days per year ain’t bad in my book.
Staff Travel. A free pair of club world tickets a year? Unlimited First Class ID90s? Yes please…
Last and definitely not least... Pay!
BAD POINTS
Pension really isn't what it used to be. In fact its fairly cr@p.
NO weekends off when you first start. Not a big issue for me once again (see earlier) but maybe for you. No choice in what trips you get too, but then again in my old life neither I nor anyone else had any choice, even senior captains. This will only improve with time though…
Heathrow. No bus to the aircraft? No tug? Pax delayed due to not enough agents in the terminal? Number 15 in the queue to take off? 20 mins holding? This isn't really the place for you if you're the sort who likes everything to function like clockwork and becomes impatient/anxious/angry when it doesn’t. Adopting Carribean accent… You got to relax, mon! Blowing a gasket and screaming at the dispatcher or down the VHF company frequency achieves nothing, you need to know when to think ‘I’ve done all I can’, ask the Purser for another tea when she can manage it then put your feet up and read the paper! You'll get a tug when you get a tug and push when you push. If you can live with that, no worries. Besides, your knowledge of the geographical highlights around Bovingdon, Lambourne, Ockham and Biggin Hill will soon be second to none!
Time to command. Its been well presented in previous posts. This ain’t the place to go if you’re busting for a left seat at the earliest opportunity. On the other hand, a long-haul year 11 FO’s basic gross pay is the same as a newly promoted captain in my old company (~£65k). The BA F/O though, takes home much more because of the much better allowances. He’s also probably seeing the world on the jumbo, as opposed doing to his xxth Night Tenerife of the summer season. I can think of worse places to be.
They can make you work on your days off! This is my only major gripe at the moment, seems quite prehistoric.
In Summary...
There are a LOT of moaners in the company including many here on pprune and no doubt a lot of them will weigh in after I post this. Do a seach and you’ll find volumes of their injustices and lamentations - Its almost enough to put you off applying! Their main problem seems to be we’re working very hard, much harder than before (that and the demise of the cheeseboard). This is true. However since joining I’ve been conducting a quiet survey on every fellow nigel I talk to for >5 mins and I can say that nearly unequivocally that the worst offenders have either…
1. Joined BA straight out of the RAF, or…
2. Joined BA straight out the cadet scheme
No, I’m not casting judgement on ALL ex-RAF folk or ex-cadets, but just making the point you will often find quite a different attitude/demeanour from anyone who’s spent time in a smaller airline. My understanding is that BA pay me very good money to work up to 900 flying hours/1043 duty hours a year in accordance with the Flight Time Limitations and Bid Line Rules. If I really didn’t like that then I shouldn’t have joined, it was no secret!
My old job wasn't at all bad. This one's better though. Much better.
Hope some of the above helps and good luck whichever way you go,
VS
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VS...
As someone in BA for 8-9 years, and happy with SH (albeit lucky enough to have got LHS in that time), a well balanced post.
BA might have gone continually downhill over the last 10? 20? 30? years, but what hasn't? (both in and out of aviation)
NoD
As someone in BA for 8-9 years, and happy with SH (albeit lucky enough to have got LHS in that time), a well balanced post.
BA might have gone continually downhill over the last 10? 20? 30? years, but what hasn't? (both in and out of aviation)
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Hello Von SH. Welcome!
However if you are going to post stuff here it's going to be used by guys to make pretty important decisions! Heaps of inaccuracies in your post I'm afraid. Without being rude , a typical post from someone who has only spent a year in the job and is still in the "honeymoon" period.
Lets hear from you when you have suffered a couple of years! ( I like your description of LHR hassles though!)
For example ; Staff Travel. A free pair of club world tickets a year? Unlimited First Class ID90s? Yes please…
Total bollox !
You have NO First Class entitlement as an F/O!
Once a year, they offer a J ( if space available ) entitlement , but since there are hundreds of cabin crew (a thousand CSD's) with a similar entitlement to you, but far greater staff travel seniority (refers to date of joining the company), you probably won't be boarding unless you choose a really obscure route well away from favoured holiday times. ( DXB in June should see you ok!!!)
This made me laugh too !
sitting out in the sun outside our plush hotel whilst knocking back the beers . True , the hotels , thanks to Balpa are fine, I'm afraid most European nightstops are min rest . You will invariably run 50 minutes late thanks to the BA chaos that is LHR. Your nightstop (time at hotel ) will on average be 11hrs, maybe 12hrs. I hope the beers you knock back are Kaliber or you will have a pretty short career!
However if you are going to post stuff here it's going to be used by guys to make pretty important decisions! Heaps of inaccuracies in your post I'm afraid. Without being rude , a typical post from someone who has only spent a year in the job and is still in the "honeymoon" period.
Lets hear from you when you have suffered a couple of years! ( I like your description of LHR hassles though!)
For example ; Staff Travel. A free pair of club world tickets a year? Unlimited First Class ID90s? Yes please…
Total bollox !
You have NO First Class entitlement as an F/O!
Once a year, they offer a J ( if space available ) entitlement , but since there are hundreds of cabin crew (a thousand CSD's) with a similar entitlement to you, but far greater staff travel seniority (refers to date of joining the company), you probably won't be boarding unless you choose a really obscure route well away from favoured holiday times. ( DXB in June should see you ok!!!)
This made me laugh too !
sitting out in the sun outside our plush hotel whilst knocking back the beers . True , the hotels , thanks to Balpa are fine, I'm afraid most European nightstops are min rest . You will invariably run 50 minutes late thanks to the BA chaos that is LHR. Your nightstop (time at hotel ) will on average be 11hrs, maybe 12hrs. I hope the beers you knock back are Kaliber or you will have a pretty short career!
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Hey there,
Check here for another thread on the life of junior FO's on B777.
More roster examples would be appreciated though!
Starting in September, I can confirm you will be paid basic pay (something like 2700£ net) during ground course and SIM. Total time: 6 weeks.
After that: line training with allowances being paid.
Ba does provide a small B & B list, but that's it: you'll have to find your own accomodation by yourself.
let the games begin!
Check here for another thread on the life of junior FO's on B777.
More roster examples would be appreciated though!
Starting in September, I can confirm you will be paid basic pay (something like 2700£ net) during ground course and SIM. Total time: 6 weeks.
After that: line training with allowances being paid.
Ba does provide a small B & B list, but that's it: you'll have to find your own accomodation by yourself.
let the games begin!
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Boring?
I have often read on this forum that life on the 777 can be repettitive. Well I'm on it and I disagree.
Yes we do a lot of East Coast sectors but there is a lot of variety within that. Have a look at how many destinations the 777 serves in the USA and you'll see.
I suppose that commercial flying is repettitive by the nature of the job, but at BA you'll get just about the most variety possible.
Yes we do a lot of East Coast sectors but there is a lot of variety within that. Have a look at how many destinations the 777 serves in the USA and you'll see.
I suppose that commercial flying is repettitive by the nature of the job, but at BA you'll get just about the most variety possible.
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Not sure what Shuttleworth is on but minimum rest in BA is 12:30 mins (BLR 10.5) from chocks on to report. No matter what the delay you should NEVER be reducing rest below this minimum. BLR are there for your protection and take into account the nightmare that is operating out of LHR. Scheme/CAP371 doesn't take the usual LHR delay into account. Be responsible and know the rules and the reason why they are different from CAP371. Only in some of the Scandic lands does this mean that a couple of beers aren't possible. Maybe time to go and review the rules again Shuttleworth.
Most night stops are on average about 16-17hrs which gives plenty of time for a few social beers and a meal.
(edited to add that all the "newbies" I've flown with have been a very easy going and keen to learn bunch. Even though most have a relatively low number of hrs (<3500hrs) they have all been competent operators and seem to interact well with the crew. Seems the selectors are picking the right guys. I say guys cos are there ANY females in this intake?)
Most night stops are on average about 16-17hrs which gives plenty of time for a few social beers and a meal.
(edited to add that all the "newbies" I've flown with have been a very easy going and keen to learn bunch. Even though most have a relatively low number of hrs (<3500hrs) they have all been competent operators and seem to interact well with the crew. Seems the selectors are picking the right guys. I say guys cos are there ANY females in this intake?)
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To be fair, Shuttleworth did say "time in the hotel" would be 11 or 12 hours. Plus to quote BLR's, you need to be sure that you will be at Heathrow, because Gatwick do not have them. This means you can knock another hour off your hotel time.
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Hi Shuttleworth,
I make it clear in my post that I’m new to the company. Therefore the reader can choose to disregard everything I have to say over someone with more time. I have nothing to gain from misleading anyone and all I say is an honest account of how I perceive my job at the moment, written in totally good faith.
Specifically,
“You have NO First Class entitlement as an F/O!”
Sure, I don’t have an ‘entitlement’ – I said First Class ID90s. According to the Staff Travel Policy Guide Ch 13 Part 3, I am entitled to purchase ID90s with First eligibility. Yes, the priority’s fairly low (F47) and they are standbys with the usual associated risks. If on the day you don’t get in to first/club the difference in fares will be refunded.
“Once a year, they offer a J ( if space available ) entitlement …”
OK, apologies. Having re-read, one could get the idea these were confirmed club seats. They are standbys, albeit with good priority. Thanks for the correction.
“Your nightstop will on average be 11hrs, maybe 12hrs"
Don’t know what fleet you’re on but that’s not my experience so far. The majority of mine have so far have been around 16hrs, with the odd 12 hour, the odd 31 hour (see below) and much in between.
“This made me laugh too ! sitting out in the sun outside our plush hotel whilst knocking back the beers….”
I never claimed, nor claim that this was the case on every nightstop. The fact remains though that last week I found myself in a lovely major European city on a day standover. Total time free of duty there was 31 hours, which I thought allowed time for a drink or two within the bounds of both the local law and common sense. The sun was shining, the hotel was exquisite, and we sat out surrounded by lots of holidaymakers who had probably paid a lot of money to do exactly what I was getting paid for at that instant. It wasn’t the first time either. Matter of fact, I was laughing too as we joked and drank while the sun went down...
Maybe if one has been doing this sort of thing for years and/or maybe if its all one has every known (note I say ‘one’, Shuttleworth) then the novelty wears off, but relative to where I’ve come from (12 hour night Larnaca returns for considerably less £££), it feels pretty special to me right now . (Yes, I said right now - Maybe I’ll become all bitter and twisted as the years advance though I’ll certainly be trying trying my best not to).
Trietwentie’s original question concerned long-haul lifestyle. I apologise to him for the digression.
The sun’s shining outside and the forecast’s good.
I’ve said all I have to say for this thread.
I make it clear in my post that I’m new to the company. Therefore the reader can choose to disregard everything I have to say over someone with more time. I have nothing to gain from misleading anyone and all I say is an honest account of how I perceive my job at the moment, written in totally good faith.
Specifically,
“You have NO First Class entitlement as an F/O!”
Sure, I don’t have an ‘entitlement’ – I said First Class ID90s. According to the Staff Travel Policy Guide Ch 13 Part 3, I am entitled to purchase ID90s with First eligibility. Yes, the priority’s fairly low (F47) and they are standbys with the usual associated risks. If on the day you don’t get in to first/club the difference in fares will be refunded.
“Once a year, they offer a J ( if space available ) entitlement …”
OK, apologies. Having re-read, one could get the idea these were confirmed club seats. They are standbys, albeit with good priority. Thanks for the correction.
“Your nightstop will on average be 11hrs, maybe 12hrs"
Don’t know what fleet you’re on but that’s not my experience so far. The majority of mine have so far have been around 16hrs, with the odd 12 hour, the odd 31 hour (see below) and much in between.
“This made me laugh too ! sitting out in the sun outside our plush hotel whilst knocking back the beers….”
I never claimed, nor claim that this was the case on every nightstop. The fact remains though that last week I found myself in a lovely major European city on a day standover. Total time free of duty there was 31 hours, which I thought allowed time for a drink or two within the bounds of both the local law and common sense. The sun was shining, the hotel was exquisite, and we sat out surrounded by lots of holidaymakers who had probably paid a lot of money to do exactly what I was getting paid for at that instant. It wasn’t the first time either. Matter of fact, I was laughing too as we joked and drank while the sun went down...
Maybe if one has been doing this sort of thing for years and/or maybe if its all one has every known (note I say ‘one’, Shuttleworth) then the novelty wears off, but relative to where I’ve come from (12 hour night Larnaca returns for considerably less £££), it feels pretty special to me right now . (Yes, I said right now - Maybe I’ll become all bitter and twisted as the years advance though I’ll certainly be trying trying my best not to).
Trietwentie’s original question concerned long-haul lifestyle. I apologise to him for the digression.
The sun’s shining outside and the forecast’s good.
I’ve said all I have to say for this thread.
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Von Smallhausen,
Thanks for the great reply...but indeed,I was more aiming at info about longhaul at BA. Nonetheless, unlike some others, I totally understood what you meant by enjoying a few beers on nightstops and having (ID90) first class tickets available. Everybody knows your not going to knock'em back on each nightstop...Some people need to read things with a pinch of salt, instead of firing back so quickly.
As most 'sain' people, I don't base life decisions on a forum on pprune...but I do like to get an idea of the life of fellow pilots around and that's what this is for. A great reply, I enjoyed reading it and I think these kind of efforts are why we have a forum like this and why we want to post questions. And as most low cost drivers, even 1 beer one 1 nighstop on minimum rest sounds pretty good.
Now I`m thirsty...off for a brewski now !
Thanks for the great reply...but indeed,I was more aiming at info about longhaul at BA. Nonetheless, unlike some others, I totally understood what you meant by enjoying a few beers on nightstops and having (ID90) first class tickets available. Everybody knows your not going to knock'em back on each nightstop...Some people need to read things with a pinch of salt, instead of firing back so quickly.
As most 'sain' people, I don't base life decisions on a forum on pprune...but I do like to get an idea of the life of fellow pilots around and that's what this is for. A great reply, I enjoyed reading it and I think these kind of efforts are why we have a forum like this and why we want to post questions. And as most low cost drivers, even 1 beer one 1 nighstop on minimum rest sounds pretty good.
Now I`m thirsty...off for a brewski now !
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Sector 7G,
Is that on the 777? And are you already flying?
'cause in that case your story on the to-be-expected life/rosters for a junior long haul FO may be very interesting, both for atrietwentie and the rest of us...
shoot!
Is that on the 777? And are you already flying?
'cause in that case your story on the to-be-expected life/rosters for a junior long haul FO may be very interesting, both for atrietwentie and the rest of us...
shoot!
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Hi Von Smallhausen
It's fantastic that you are pleased to be with BA.
I'm sure it's a lot more stable than MYT.
I don't have an axe to grind. I just don't want people getting the wrong impression.
To be honest if you are LHS or perhaps near a charter command it simply does not make sense to come here .
Just a few closing observations guys;
(i) Those ID90's with F priority actually cost 10% of the std F fare ie can be £400 per sector. So I can't see you and your girlfriend lashing out £1600 on tickets with the hope of getting a couple of F seats. Can you ? I don't know anyone who has successfullly used them. Do let me know how you get on if you try!!!
(ii) I know about 20 ex charter guys here.( to be fair many aged between 30 and 40 and most with youngsters ( perhaps different to your position ) About 16 of them regret leaving the previous employer. FACT.
To be honest, there is little validity of any poster from guys in their first year. Why do I say this?
A while ago many of my close mates joined Emirates.
They posted heaps of stuff on here saying the lifestyle is great and that we were daft not to apply . ( no tax, heaps of sunshine , young beautiful "coffee skinned" hosties etc etc .)
After a few years they find they hate it .
One recently gave up a command in Emirates to join EZY!
Most of them yearn to be back in the uk.
If I was looking to learn about the conditions in a prospective employer I'd go for a few pints and a serious chat with someone who has actually worked there for more than a couple of weeks.
By the way , when are you guys anticipating a command?
Do you have any desire to be a lifetime F/O???
It was 16 years but for you new joiners it looks like 16 plus five >?
ie 21 years from now
From another poster ............
Read em and weep
16 years SH command
22 years LH command
Because they DONT include the retirement ago going from 55 to 65ish in 2006...
Add another 5 years onto these to make them realistic, then pull up your seat and make yourself comfortable as there wont be any mainline expansion at LHR LGW.
(you would join at about 3100 on the list presently)
Year Retirees Sen # Yrs
2004 162 3100 1
2005 122 2978 2
2006 151 2827 3
2007 115 2712 4
2008 78 2634 5
2009 89 2545 6
2010 99 2446 7
2011 120 2326 8
2012 114 2212 9
2013 79 2133 10
2014 118 2015 11
2015 105 1910 12
2016 100 1810 13
2017 100 1710 14
2018 100 1610 15
2019 100 1510 16 SHORTHAUL COMMAND LEVEL
2020 100 1410 17
2021 100 1310 18
2022 100 1210 19
2023 100 1110 20
2024 100 1010 21
2025 100 910 22 LONGHAUL COMMAND LEVEL
It's fantastic that you are pleased to be with BA.
I'm sure it's a lot more stable than MYT.
I don't have an axe to grind. I just don't want people getting the wrong impression.
To be honest if you are LHS or perhaps near a charter command it simply does not make sense to come here .
Just a few closing observations guys;
(i) Those ID90's with F priority actually cost 10% of the std F fare ie can be £400 per sector. So I can't see you and your girlfriend lashing out £1600 on tickets with the hope of getting a couple of F seats. Can you ? I don't know anyone who has successfullly used them. Do let me know how you get on if you try!!!
(ii) I know about 20 ex charter guys here.( to be fair many aged between 30 and 40 and most with youngsters ( perhaps different to your position ) About 16 of them regret leaving the previous employer. FACT.
To be honest, there is little validity of any poster from guys in their first year. Why do I say this?
A while ago many of my close mates joined Emirates.
They posted heaps of stuff on here saying the lifestyle is great and that we were daft not to apply . ( no tax, heaps of sunshine , young beautiful "coffee skinned" hosties etc etc .)
After a few years they find they hate it .
One recently gave up a command in Emirates to join EZY!
Most of them yearn to be back in the uk.
If I was looking to learn about the conditions in a prospective employer I'd go for a few pints and a serious chat with someone who has actually worked there for more than a couple of weeks.
By the way , when are you guys anticipating a command?
Do you have any desire to be a lifetime F/O???
It was 16 years but for you new joiners it looks like 16 plus five >?
ie 21 years from now
From another poster ............
Read em and weep
16 years SH command
22 years LH command
Because they DONT include the retirement ago going from 55 to 65ish in 2006...
Add another 5 years onto these to make them realistic, then pull up your seat and make yourself comfortable as there wont be any mainline expansion at LHR LGW.
(you would join at about 3100 on the list presently)
Year Retirees Sen # Yrs
2004 162 3100 1
2005 122 2978 2
2006 151 2827 3
2007 115 2712 4
2008 78 2634 5
2009 89 2545 6
2010 99 2446 7
2011 120 2326 8
2012 114 2212 9
2013 79 2133 10
2014 118 2015 11
2015 105 1910 12
2016 100 1810 13
2017 100 1710 14
2018 100 1610 15
2019 100 1510 16 SHORTHAUL COMMAND LEVEL
2020 100 1410 17
2021 100 1310 18
2022 100 1210 19
2023 100 1110 20
2024 100 1010 21
2025 100 910 22 LONGHAUL COMMAND LEVEL
Have spoken at length with long-term employees and they are, on balance, very positive about the company. Secondly, why the urge for command? Better pay than my current employer and no PAs!
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You and I both know that while your stats for senority positions may be correct; you are a bit out on the seniority required for a command; just look at this years cassandra!
737 commands were down to 2100 ish, Airbus 1800/1900 ish, and 777 commands below 1100...........
In addition, as Ham Phisted says why the urge for command ? BA gives FO's a lot more, and (longhaul) is far easier than charter lifestyle.
You and I both know that while your stats for senority positions may be correct; you are a bit out on the seniority required for a command; just look at this years cassandra!
737 commands were down to 2100 ish, Airbus 1800/1900 ish, and 777 commands below 1100...........
In addition, as Ham Phisted says why the urge for command ? BA gives FO's a lot more, and (longhaul) is far easier than charter lifestyle.
