Easyjet; B737 or A319?
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So roster published on the 17th for the next month, that's good!
What would you say are the best bases for 737 then Flying Quill?
How far ahead do you know you have the vacation period you asked for?
Thanks!
What would you say are the best bases for 737 then Flying Quill?
How far ahead do you know you have the vacation period you asked for?
Thanks!
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Casper, the skinny one has it right, avoid TRSS like the plague. As far as 737 bases go, you won't find any that work much less than others, the northern bases are working just as hard as elsewhere.
Khaosai, the yellow brick road to command Wiz was referring to will take a bit longer than 12 months, i think he was referring to command recommendation (sorry wiz if i am wrong) which would be right with that sort of time on type. You won't see the LHS for around another 6 to 12 months after that, although it is always subject to change. So i would count on a minimum of 18 to 24 months RHS before clicking your heels and landing in the LHS at a base of someone elses choice (Kansas?, probably not)
Scottie, was there a vote on the F/O's loyalty bonus or did that just disappear? Genuine Q? as i wasn't around when it happened. Unfortunately i'm with the skinny guy, i reckon it'll (the bonus) just go regardless of what we the minions think. Fuel cost (gee i wish we hedged it!) competition, general hard times, whatever will be the excuse, and there will be fark all that we can do about it.
Khaosai, the yellow brick road to command Wiz was referring to will take a bit longer than 12 months, i think he was referring to command recommendation (sorry wiz if i am wrong) which would be right with that sort of time on type. You won't see the LHS for around another 6 to 12 months after that, although it is always subject to change. So i would count on a minimum of 18 to 24 months RHS before clicking your heels and landing in the LHS at a base of someone elses choice (Kansas?, probably not)
Scottie, was there a vote on the F/O's loyalty bonus or did that just disappear? Genuine Q? as i wasn't around when it happened. Unfortunately i'm with the skinny guy, i reckon it'll (the bonus) just go regardless of what we the minions think. Fuel cost (gee i wish we hedged it!) competition, general hard times, whatever will be the excuse, and there will be fark all that we can do about it.
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There was a vote, it was based on an overall package as slim20 stated.
I didn't agree with it but that's democracy for you! The argument went that we'd all be Captains in a very short time and therefore we'd gain the loyalty bonus back. This was a very short sighted argument in my opinion as at some point the rate of commands has to slow which it now has.
In effect SFO/FO's who were on it are taking a 5% paycut as grandfather rights are finishing this year.
However there is a way to stop the loyalty bonus going for Captains and that's by joining BALPA and sticking together
However on this issue I could entirely understand the FO's giving two fingers to the Captains in regard to saving their Loyalty bonus.
But the only people responsible for losing it will be you the non members. By having decent membership we could tell them to stuff it and reinstitute the FO bonus.....
BALPA is the only show in town so maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. I get my 1% back each year in pay rises and more, so will stick with them.
I didn't agree with it but that's democracy for you! The argument went that we'd all be Captains in a very short time and therefore we'd gain the loyalty bonus back. This was a very short sighted argument in my opinion as at some point the rate of commands has to slow which it now has.
In effect SFO/FO's who were on it are taking a 5% paycut as grandfather rights are finishing this year.
However there is a way to stop the loyalty bonus going for Captains and that's by joining BALPA and sticking together
However on this issue I could entirely understand the FO's giving two fingers to the Captains in regard to saving their Loyalty bonus.
But the only people responsible for losing it will be you the non members. By having decent membership we could tell them to stuff it and reinstitute the FO bonus.....
BALPA is the only show in town so maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. I get my 1% back each year in pay rises and more, so will stick with them.
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Thanks for the reply Scottie, pretty shortsighted view taken there. F/O's reaping the rewards now with TRSS, no bonus (or any reward for productivity/profit share) and if it goes, no bonus as a new captain with the only bonus on upgrade, a base in outer Mongolia with subsequent relocation/commuting costs whilst donating 10% of your wage for 6 months to the company. Whats not to like
Only reason i still hand over cash to Balpa is to have a say when the vote comes up at the end of the year!
Not a bad idea, must get a job organised somewhere else first though 
Only reason i still hand over cash to Balpa is to have a say when the vote comes up at the end of the year!
However on this issue I could entirely understand the FO's giving two fingers to the Captains in regard to saving their Loyalty bonus.
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Springbok, I wish! seriosuly though I'm a firm believer in unions and just have to convince the rest!
But it seems to be like banging your head against a brick wall trying to convince you all!
Best of luck with pastures new. I'm a lifer
so got to make it work.
But it seems to be like banging your head against a brick wall trying to convince you all!
Best of luck with pastures new. I'm a lifer
so got to make it work.
Bloggsy,
Indeed, I meant time to get the ball rolling. The process does take some time after that.
Ghosty,
That is almost certainly true, simply because the training machine is working flet out and can't up-grade enough FOs.
Indeed, I meant time to get the ball rolling. The process does take some time after that.
Ghosty,
That is almost certainly true, simply because the training machine is working flet out and can't up-grade enough FOs.
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What I don't understand is his tone that somehow, if we agree to a deal that is more attractive than the bonus, it is to our dissadvantage
If the company comes up with a cockamamie profit sharing scheme netting about £200 pa. per pilot, but it's mixed in with a fixed 4.5% payrise (over 2 years naturally) with an extra week's leave to replace GDOs, what the heck makes you think that will be better in the long term?
I have no doubt that future CC mailings on the subject will be driving that very line. I hope sufficient numbers of members see through it this time and give us a fighting chance at surviving a few more years under 5/2/5/4!.
Can someone explain to me why we are told that our loyalty bonus is not sustainable to the company BUT we will not be disadvantaged by the new scheme. Not sure that in the real world both expectations can be resolved!
To answer Ghost, definately join on the 737. No silly TRSS tie-ups, and you have more chance impressing your command skills on an aircraft you know well. You will probably end up on the Bus soon enough anyway! Good luck on your decision.
To answer Ghost, definately join on the 737. No silly TRSS tie-ups, and you have more chance impressing your command skills on an aircraft you know well. You will probably end up on the Bus soon enough anyway! Good luck on your decision.
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Until Scottie started banging on about how great Balpa/CC is I agreed with pretty much all that was being said.They have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
Every year for the last 3 years that I've been at eJ the company has been allowed to erode the the T&C's of the pilot workforce. Each time we have had to compromise-this year we gave up up a weeks leave in order to to go onto the 5/4/5/2, the previous year to get a pay rise the F/O's had to give up their loyalty bonus and then when they got their Command hundreds of miles from home they go onto 90% of the skippers salary for the first 6months.
Only last week a pilot who was full of the joys of 5/4/5/2 during the 6 month trial @LTN and was down @our base(900hrs last 12mths Wizofoz!!!!) complaining how knackered he now was-DOH!! The company put in extra crew into LTN/EDI during that period to 'show' how great it was.
Every year for the last 3 years that I've been at eJ the company has been allowed to erode the the T&C's of the pilot workforce. Each time we have had to compromise-this year we gave up up a weeks leave in order to to go onto the 5/4/5/2, the previous year to get a pay rise the F/O's had to give up their loyalty bonus and then when they got their Command hundreds of miles from home they go onto 90% of the skippers salary for the first 6months.
Only last week a pilot who was full of the joys of 5/4/5/2 during the 6 month trial @LTN and was down @our base(900hrs last 12mths Wizofoz!!!!) complaining how knackered he now was-DOH!! The company put in extra crew into LTN/EDI during that period to 'show' how great it was.
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Well Paul, perhaps if more of our colleagues had been in BALPA in the first place none of that would have happened.
You can't fight a big army with a small army.
PS I never said BALPA/CC were great. Please get your facts straight but then this is pprune isn't it
You can't fight a big army with a small army.
PS I never said BALPA/CC were great. Please get your facts straight but then this is pprune isn't it
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Scottie,
Beginning to wonder that if we did have 100% pilot membership whether it would make any difference to our constantly deteriorating T&C's. We'd still lie on our backs and get shafted.
Ps Sorry but ''I get my 1% back each year in pay rises and more'' sounds like a pretty personal recommendation to me.
Capt P.
Beginning to wonder that if we did have 100% pilot membership whether it would make any difference to our constantly deteriorating T&C's. We'd still lie on our backs and get shafted.
Ps Sorry but ''I get my 1% back each year in pay rises and more'' sounds like a pretty personal recommendation to me.
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Until Scottie started banging on about how great Balpa/CC is
As for having 100% membership I doubt we'll ever see it. In fact Im beginning to think all BALPA members should give themselves a 1% pay rise and see what happens.....Guess the 1% payrise would be short lived.....
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You can't fight a big army with a small army.
There are usually about 50% of our pilots in BALPA. About 60% of them actually bother to vote/read bulletins and minutes, which means that potentially there are over 300 pilots who will respond positively to a form of industrial action. Say about 50 of them are flying 4 sectors on any given day due to varied roster groups, it gives a (conservative) potential of 100+ sectors out of the 600 daily which can be disrupted in some legal way.
How long do you think EZY would put up with one sixth of its sectors daily using 10% more fuel, 40-minute turnarounds due to security checks / walkrounds by the book, then losing crews through refusal of discretion etc?
The CC's real problem is its lack of imagination, and doesn't want to "throw the first stone". Well, sometimes its the Union's job to do just that - not roll over and take the shaft on behalf of the members!
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Ok guys,
enough is enough. The forum is about easyJet Airbus or Boeing, the question has been answered.
Everybody thank you for the fast and honest answers!
See you around!
enough is enough. The forum is about easyJet Airbus or Boeing, the question has been answered.
Everybody thank you for the fast and honest answers!
See you around!
