737 rated dct entry Ryanair
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737 rated dct entry Ryanair
Dear PPRUNERS.
Ryanair has advertised in the latest Flight International issue a rquest for direct entry type rated 737 FO's for quick command upgrade within 6 months.
Has anyone undergone that training?
if so how was it?
did they have to pay anything since he was already type rated? What about the pay is it really what it is sais in the ad?
About the Bases: was it possible to negotiate for a specific one during the interview?
All infos would really be appreciated on the matters said above or any other inside info ....
thanks a lot
Ryanair has advertised in the latest Flight International issue a rquest for direct entry type rated 737 FO's for quick command upgrade within 6 months.
Has anyone undergone that training?
if so how was it?
did they have to pay anything since he was already type rated? What about the pay is it really what it is sais in the ad?
About the Bases: was it possible to negotiate for a specific one during the interview?
All infos would really be appreciated on the matters said above or any other inside info ....
thanks a lot
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From: Samsonite Avenue
No money is paid up front. No paying for your application to be looked at and you go straight into the right hand seat on full salary and sector pay. Seems as if you can choose which base you want as well. Going to be very short of Captains due to their rapid expansion.
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Check out the career section of the Ryanair website.
Do I sniff an air of desperation?
Every Friday between 11am and 3pm Alan Sweeney, Head of Pilot Recruitment, will be available at London Stansted Airport to meet with Pilots of all experience levels. Alan will be available in Room 705 which is beside ‘Cotton traders’ shop, opposite check in area A.
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Mister Geezer,
I applied to Ryan last summer. I have a type rating on the 737 NG with over 3000 hours on type. I paid £50 to the company. I am a UK citizen.
I am still awaiting a reply.
From the ryanair website today:
"How to apply if you are a B737-RATED pilot?
1. Apply Online
A Stg£50 fee is required, refundable to successful applicants
2. Interview / Assessment
The most suitable applicants will be interviewed by Ryanair. Following a successful interview, you will be required to undergo and pass a simulator assessment for which a non-refundable fee of Stg£200 will be charged.
3. Ryanair Pilot
Successful and suitable candidates will be offered a contract to fly for Ryanair"
Given their total lack of interest from my previous application, why should I show any interest in paying then £50 only to be ignored again? Also, if they really want to attract experienced pilots, is charging £200 for a sim assessment the right way to go about it? I do not know your position within the company, but perhaps you could take this post to Alan Sweeney and ask for his comments.
(edited for spelling)
I applied to Ryan last summer. I have a type rating on the 737 NG with over 3000 hours on type. I paid £50 to the company. I am a UK citizen.
I am still awaiting a reply.
From the ryanair website today:
"How to apply if you are a B737-RATED pilot?
1. Apply Online
A Stg£50 fee is required, refundable to successful applicants
2. Interview / Assessment
The most suitable applicants will be interviewed by Ryanair. Following a successful interview, you will be required to undergo and pass a simulator assessment for which a non-refundable fee of Stg£200 will be charged.
3. Ryanair Pilot
Successful and suitable candidates will be offered a contract to fly for Ryanair"
Given their total lack of interest from my previous application, why should I show any interest in paying then £50 only to be ignored again? Also, if they really want to attract experienced pilots, is charging £200 for a sim assessment the right way to go about it? I do not know your position within the company, but perhaps you could take this post to Alan Sweeney and ask for his comments.
(edited for spelling)
Last edited by 10002level; 1st June 2005 at 18:23.
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This is a total crock of the proverbial. When they thought they could pick and choose their pilots it was "don't call us we'll call you - and it'll cost you £50". Now they are desperate again, losing guys hand over fist to Big Red Airlines and Big Blue Airways, and suddenly its "we'll take anyone with a rating, and promote you to boot oh and here's your £50 back."
Anyone else think this would be a totally sh!te career choice? In a couple of years it'll be compulsory demotions with your seat being filled by some Yuri who will do it for peanuts.
Anyone else think this would be a totally sh!te career choice? In a couple of years it'll be compulsory demotions with your seat being filled by some Yuri who will do it for peanuts.
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Slim20 Of course you are correct in what you say. But you have to face the reality that there are still lots of people out there who do not believe what you say and think it will be "different for them". I even spoke to a potential applicant within the last 24 hours. He told me (a) he knows what they are like, and (b) he is going to "have a chat with them".
That of course means he wants them to tell him things he can believe so that he can justify joining up. All based on the notion that it will be different for him. And there is nothing you can do to help these people, except keep up the warnings. Then, at least, you put them in a position where they can't claim afterwards they "did not know" when they get moved overnight to the far ends of the Ryanair empire with reduced T&Cs.
That of course means he wants them to tell him things he can believe so that he can justify joining up. All based on the notion that it will be different for him. And there is nothing you can do to help these people, except keep up the warnings. Then, at least, you put them in a position where they can't claim afterwards they "did not know" when they get moved overnight to the far ends of the Ryanair empire with reduced T&Cs.
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10002level,
I cannot agree more. If an airline is in need of qualified staff, why should people pay to be assessed. It is ok that some operators have made low cost operation to a science. But paying to deliever your CV and to do a sim check? My advice to my fellow 737 colleagues is to straighten your backbone, put your foot down and say NO THANK YOU.
Slim20,
Probably true. It makes me sad to see colleagues from certain parts of the world accept jobs and contracts with a package below what I like to see as market standard. This is about sticking together for a better future for all of us. But I know how difficult it is to achieve that. Different culture and background dictate our behaviour. When it comes to pilot contracts it is unfortunate.
I cannot agree more. If an airline is in need of qualified staff, why should people pay to be assessed. It is ok that some operators have made low cost operation to a science. But paying to deliever your CV and to do a sim check? My advice to my fellow 737 colleagues is to straighten your backbone, put your foot down and say NO THANK YOU.
Slim20,
In a couple of years it'll be compulsory demotions with your seat being filled by some Yuri who will do it for peanuts.
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From: england
Dont be fooled in thinking that if you have 3K hours you will be a captain in short time. You do not know the SOPs, the winter ops etc for the company. 13 out of 15 failed the last command assessment many were long term fos.
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OK then.
To current Ryanair Pilots:
If we cannot believe the advertised numbers from Ryanair in terms of salary etc what is realistic? What are you taking home per month and what do you reckon to gross per year and how does that compare to positions abroad ie. Ciampino?
How many people are being kicked out of their prefered base having already been established there?
Clearly there are pleanty of peeved people out there, and I'm sure many for good reason, however nothing is perfect and there are many things about Ryanair that are attractive - not all their pilots are pissed off.
Any info on pensions, staff travel, recurrent training, small print much appreciated.........
Thanks all.......................................
To current Ryanair Pilots:
If we cannot believe the advertised numbers from Ryanair in terms of salary etc what is realistic? What are you taking home per month and what do you reckon to gross per year and how does that compare to positions abroad ie. Ciampino?
How many people are being kicked out of their prefered base having already been established there?
Clearly there are pleanty of peeved people out there, and I'm sure many for good reason, however nothing is perfect and there are many things about Ryanair that are attractive - not all their pilots are pissed off.
Any info on pensions, staff travel, recurrent training, small print much appreciated.........
Thanks all.......................................
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From: sector 001
That £50 fee etc
You just wonder how many more pilots would apply if they behaved like other airlines and made no charge.
The time will come where supply and demand is likely to force them to think again, and that includes proper old fashioned bonding deal for their training.
No doubt some face saving formula will be adopted.
The time will come where supply and demand is likely to force them to think again, and that includes proper old fashioned bonding deal for their training.
No doubt some face saving formula will be adopted.
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From: Europe
The really interesting thing will be what will happen come September when the deal to delay the arrival of the new aircraft comes to an end. Given the dramatic tightening of the pilot market and the general unpopularity of Ryanair ... ahem ... "personnel management methods" things might change a lot.
The payment for the type rating might even go and good old-fashioned "basic pay" might mean what it means in most airlines. We might finally see the "half sector pay for as long we think we can get away with it" game coming to an end.
What then? Well of course there will be resentment towards new pilots on the part of those who paid big money for their ratings .... followed by the retorts of those who will say "silly you for paying" ... a little bit of "deja vu" here again for the older hands!? Is aviation not just the most peculiar game in town!!
The payment for the type rating might even go and good old-fashioned "basic pay" might mean what it means in most airlines. We might finally see the "half sector pay for as long we think we can get away with it" game coming to an end.
What then? Well of course there will be resentment towards new pilots on the part of those who paid big money for their ratings .... followed by the retorts of those who will say "silly you for paying" ... a little bit of "deja vu" here again for the older hands!? Is aviation not just the most peculiar game in town!!
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From: Around and about
“At Ryanair there are no seniority lists” and " No complicated salary scales "
So very Ryanair ... an immediate appeal to your selfishness, with the implication that seniority is of no significance to your advancement (but what of your future security ... of base, of promotion, of whatever...). Nothing complicated about payscales that they will never publish because they don't exist in the conventional sense. I think most pilots would be happy to read "complicated pay scales" in Ryanair if they could get their hands on anything other than propaganda. I can't speak about U.K. scales, but I have yet to meet a captain of any seniority in Ryanair that earns the €130,000 they keep talking about ad nauseum (sp?) in this ad and elsewhere.
The usual "Ryanair Health Warning" will apply until you get a published salary scale and some guidance as to how your future will be protected. This does not mean "don't join" but it does mean "understand what you are joining".
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BBT, I don't know where you are based, but even getting your leave entitlement when and when you want it makes the abuse of seniority clear. If seniority is "bad" a "popularity contest" for entitlements is even worse. I in no way mean to be insulting, but to have a clerk - possibly one that has received a friendly bottle of wine - as the final arbiter of how and when I receive my entitlements is just wrong. In the absence of rules and answerability all you get is exploitation. And no, eager Ryanair joiners, it does not always work if you go to your pilot manager and explain - because while he may sort it out for you, it will be because he is able and willing to get involved in the politics, not because there are rules that are properly and fairly applied to all. What muppetry one gets used to!! I really must stop reading this stuff, all I get is cross.