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In January of 2002, The Little Prince wrote:
"My information is that we at BA CitiExpress are to receive all the CFE 146s to operate out of Manchester and Birmingham. I understand that the ex CFE pilots will be initially operating them, but will be replaced by our low cost equivalent as our guys come on line. The ex CFE guys will then be soaked up in mainline as the pilot shortage starts to happen again with the ongoing retiral bulge. I wasn't quite sure how to interpret the future for the LGW services, but presumably an earlier post referring to greater utilisation of the airbuses would acount for that. Again, presumably a gradual thing. One can see the sense in it as BA slowly lower their regional cost base courtesy of ourselves - assuming they can get away with continuing to turn the Ts and Cs screw on us."
So TLP, now you've been given the aircraft, the routes, the terminals, and the extra jobs, you no longer want to be the "low cost" pilot you so enjoyed being then.
Now you want to be a mainline pilot.
Is that the kind of "breath-taking hypocrisy" you were referring to ?
"My information is that we at BA CitiExpress are to receive all the CFE 146s to operate out of Manchester and Birmingham. I understand that the ex CFE pilots will be initially operating them, but will be replaced by our low cost equivalent as our guys come on line. The ex CFE guys will then be soaked up in mainline as the pilot shortage starts to happen again with the ongoing retiral bulge. I wasn't quite sure how to interpret the future for the LGW services, but presumably an earlier post referring to greater utilisation of the airbuses would acount for that. Again, presumably a gradual thing. One can see the sense in it as BA slowly lower their regional cost base courtesy of ourselves - assuming they can get away with continuing to turn the Ts and Cs screw on us."
So TLP, now you've been given the aircraft, the routes, the terminals, and the extra jobs, you no longer want to be the "low cost" pilot you so enjoyed being then.
Now you want to be a mainline pilot.
Is that the kind of "breath-taking hypocrisy" you were referring to ?
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It may well just be me, but I fail to see the point you are making. At the risk of being arrogant (moi???) it is clear Iwas entirely right. BA HAVE lowered their Regional Cost Base, unfortunately, thanks to BACC they have got away with turning the Ts and Cs screw on us in a HUGE way. The only area of my post where I was wrong was that not all of the CFE guys have been soaked up in mainline (and BTW what a huge difference there is between ex CFE and mainliners!)
However, as another point to ponder, since you talk about us wanting to get onto the mainline Seniority List. Initially, BA management offered BACX BAe 146 and RJ100 pilots the opportunity to join CFE on the Master Seniority List. Just us, not the rest of BACX. Now, it may well be argued that not accepting that was a tactical blunder, however we turned it down. Why? Because in BACX we tend NOT to just look after the interests of a few, but to try and stick together. We were not going to take an offer which would have looked totally as though the BACXCC were only cossetting the chosen few. Compare that to the way BACC have acted throughout!
Finally, as maybe the MAIN point to ponder: Back in January 2002, we had only just been taken over. What did that mean? Well, basically we were extremely profitable, turning in record profits year on year. Our management complement were relatively slim in number and more importantly, KNEW HOW TO RUN A REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone blame us for becoming a little cynical? It's bad enough having to fight the Competition, it's worse having a management which goes out of its way to shaft us, but worst of all is being screwed by our 'fellow' pilots!
However, as another point to ponder, since you talk about us wanting to get onto the mainline Seniority List. Initially, BA management offered BACX BAe 146 and RJ100 pilots the opportunity to join CFE on the Master Seniority List. Just us, not the rest of BACX. Now, it may well be argued that not accepting that was a tactical blunder, however we turned it down. Why? Because in BACX we tend NOT to just look after the interests of a few, but to try and stick together. We were not going to take an offer which would have looked totally as though the BACXCC were only cossetting the chosen few. Compare that to the way BACC have acted throughout!
Finally, as maybe the MAIN point to ponder: Back in January 2002, we had only just been taken over. What did that mean? Well, basically we were extremely profitable, turning in record profits year on year. Our management complement were relatively slim in number and more importantly, KNEW HOW TO RUN A REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone blame us for becoming a little cynical? It's bad enough having to fight the Competition, it's worse having a management which goes out of its way to shaft us, but worst of all is being screwed by our 'fellow' pilots!
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I would suspect they also do not want to commute to EDI. However, would there be any reason they couldn't bid onto the BA 767 fleet with the proviso that under bidline they had priority for the MAN-JFK. (A bit of lateral thinking by BA mainline reqiured - is that beyond them ?).
The secondees either go with the aircraft (I know two definately going to EDI) or bid off. If they happen to get the 767 and get a JFK occasionally fair enough.
Now if you are talking about eastablishing a 767 MAN base (now I wonder if anyone has thought of that before..Oh yes I forgot they closed it) then you are talking.
However many of the secondees would be killed in the crush and not get anywhere near it.
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Yeah thats a great idea.
Lets give the secondees the right to all the 7 day JFK back to back's (one of the flets best trips to many) just so they don't have to commute and sod everyone else who's had to suffer base closure in the past and had to vacate their prefered regional/scottish base.
Now if anyone doesn't like the thought of commuting then there is a solution.
Move house.
Plenty have had to. Others suffer the commute. The bottom line is if you want to fly for BA its one or the other.
Lets give the secondees the right to all the 7 day JFK back to back's (one of the flets best trips to many) just so they don't have to commute and sod everyone else who's had to suffer base closure in the past and had to vacate their prefered regional/scottish base.
Now if anyone doesn't like the thought of commuting then there is a solution.
Move house.
Plenty have had to. Others suffer the commute. The bottom line is if you want to fly for BA its one or the other.
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JOAT,
I'm not sure what question you are asking TLP, BRAL, etc..,
The difference that I see between ex-CFE , Mainline and us is that we are 'guaranteed' an interview. True, but ex CFE had no interview, mainline secondees needed no interview, blah blah. Yes I know that will automatically cause an uproar about 'our mainline aircraft' gifted to you, etc, etc... but that is not the intention. The fact is that there is a disparity in relative treatment/concessions between the differing workforces..
..or am I mis-reading your interpretation of the verb 'To Shaft'?
RM
(Edited cos JockOffAllTrades post deleted)
I'm not sure what question you are asking TLP, BRAL, etc..,
The difference that I see between ex-CFE , Mainline and us is that we are 'guaranteed' an interview. True, but ex CFE had no interview, mainline secondees needed no interview, blah blah. Yes I know that will automatically cause an uproar about 'our mainline aircraft' gifted to you, etc, etc... but that is not the intention. The fact is that there is a disparity in relative treatment/concessions between the differing workforces..
..or am I mis-reading your interpretation of the verb 'To Shaft'?
RM
(Edited cos JockOffAllTrades post deleted)
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CFE had no interview because they were taken over and employment law was on their side.
BA would have done anything not to have them on the master seniority, as would the 50 or so people who lost their (rightful) command chance because of some made up Grandfather Rights issue which was allegedly a lie by BALPA.
BRA is a wholly owned subsidiary. A totally different proposition.
As for the secondees, surely you should know by now the parent company can pretty much do as they like with the child.
BA would have done anything not to have them on the master seniority, as would the 50 or so people who lost their (rightful) command chance because of some made up Grandfather Rights issue which was allegedly a lie by BALPA.
BRA is a wholly owned subsidiary. A totally different proposition.
As for the secondees, surely you should know by now the parent company can pretty much do as they like with the child.
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The Little Prince,
Instead of twining-on about CFE pilots joining the mainline seniority list, why not apply to BA through the system in-place whereby all BACX pilots are guaranteed an interview.
Compared to putting all BACX pilots on the bottom of the BA seniority list, those BACX pilots who've been successful in getting into BA have effectively bypassed many of their former BACX colleagues. Furthermore, the ex-BACX pilots who've got into BA did so due to the time and effort which they invested in studying for their BA interviews. As a result, they probably don't want you to simply join the bottom of their BA mainline seniority list.
I get the impression you want all the BA perks without any of the effort - almost as though you feel it's owed to you. Either apply to BA and get the terms and conditions you deserve or wind your neck in!!
Instead of twining-on about CFE pilots joining the mainline seniority list, why not apply to BA through the system in-place whereby all BACX pilots are guaranteed an interview.
Compared to putting all BACX pilots on the bottom of the BA seniority list, those BACX pilots who've been successful in getting into BA have effectively bypassed many of their former BACX colleagues. Furthermore, the ex-BACX pilots who've got into BA did so due to the time and effort which they invested in studying for their BA interviews. As a result, they probably don't want you to simply join the bottom of their BA mainline seniority list.
I get the impression you want all the BA perks without any of the effort - almost as though you feel it's owed to you. Either apply to BA and get the terms and conditions you deserve or wind your neck in!!
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i had enough of you nigels
telling us we should be happy with our lot as we have been gifted those brilliant RJs from mainline!
the fact is, before all those RJs arrived we had lots of happy pilots living in the regions flying their ATPs, Jetstreams and so on.
but then big brother had a brilliant idea, lets close as many bases in the regions as possible, 'what a great idea for a regional airline' .
you ba folks telling us we should be happy about that, i'm telling you we are not, as over all we have seen a reduction of airframes,
demotions and people having to up route their families to move to parts of the country they wouldn't have dreamt about.
not only did we get stuck with those RJs, we now have to do monitored approaches and give up our gold stripes for silver ones,what ever next>
all i can say to you is, stick your crappy RJs,where the sun ain't shine and leave as alone.
telling us we should be happy with our lot as we have been gifted those brilliant RJs from mainline!
the fact is, before all those RJs arrived we had lots of happy pilots living in the regions flying their ATPs, Jetstreams and so on.
but then big brother had a brilliant idea, lets close as many bases in the regions as possible, 'what a great idea for a regional airline' .
you ba folks telling us we should be happy about that, i'm telling you we are not, as over all we have seen a reduction of airframes,
demotions and people having to up route their families to move to parts of the country they wouldn't have dreamt about.
not only did we get stuck with those RJs, we now have to do monitored approaches and give up our gold stripes for silver ones,what ever next>
all i can say to you is, stick your crappy RJs,where the sun ain't shine and leave as alone.
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not only did we get stuck with those RJs, we now have to do monitored approaches and give up our gold stripes for silver ones,what ever next?
The next thing could be the adoption of fuel league/tables.
Q,
I've edited this post for the reason that we shouldn't air too much dirty linen in public,
however, I'll say 'Wind your neck in' before someone with less tact than me bites your head off!
Au revoir
I've edited this post for the reason that we shouldn't air too much dirty linen in public,
however, I'll say 'Wind your neck in' before someone with less tact than me bites your head off!
Au revoir
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At least now with BA people in not all the captains sound like a Toxteth scally.
I quote from a PA
"The weather is real nice down there" in the best Wayne Rooney accent you can imagine.
This after quite posibly the worse Captain's welcome PA I have ever heard.
Also don't the BA guys act as a sort of anti-thesis to the GA flying club boys that now run the RJ as a ......GA flying club operation* instead of an airliner (Ok just about an airliner)
* quote from BACX secondee
Still rest assured if 99.9% of BA pilots had a choice those that are even aware of BACX would get rid of it and let our people go back to the regional mainline bases.
Trouble is BA don't see it like that.
However you may get your independence if the losses continue.
I quote from a PA
"The weather is real nice down there" in the best Wayne Rooney accent you can imagine.
This after quite posibly the worse Captain's welcome PA I have ever heard.
Also don't the BA guys act as a sort of anti-thesis to the GA flying club boys that now run the RJ as a ......GA flying club operation* instead of an airliner (Ok just about an airliner)
* quote from BACX secondee
Still rest assured if 99.9% of BA pilots had a choice those that are even aware of BACX would get rid of it and let our people go back to the regional mainline bases.
Trouble is BA don't see it like that.
However you may get your independence if the losses continue.
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I've wrestled for a long time with the 'why'; of the cultural difference. Actually, it's had more to do with the constantly proved inability of most BA pilots - God Bless You - may you live in interesting times......- to be able to understand why we have a problem with you. Hey, I'll try again.
1. We NEVER wanted to be in BA. We would have applied earlier if that was our aim.
This was because we had a Regional Airlines lifestyle which, for those of us which stuck with it, gave us what we wanted. Yep, it didn't pay as much, but it (was) very profitable, secure, and most important allowed us to live in an area of the country we had picked with a lifestyle that worked.
2. B.A. bought us.
Probably mainly for the LHR slots, who the hell knows. The ones that do probably aren't there anymore. We still DON'T actually want to be part of BA, but we accept we are but teensy cogs. However, having delivered what our purchasers presumably wanted (whatever that was) we are more than a little p#ssed off at where we are. Our profitable Company has been trashed. Our bases have been closed. Our Fleets have been grounded. Sensible explanatory communication on the issue from both BA management and BALPA has been nil, condescending and illogical. Our employment base has shrunk, our jobs are constantly moving/relocating......but somehow we should be grateful for this.......er.....just like Dan Air eh? As the man said, don't p#ss down my back and tell me it's raining!!!!!!!
3. Regardless of any personal antipathy I or any other BACX pilot may have for individual secondees, that is irrelevant. We neither want, (nor certainly expect any more) sympathy from mainline for the usual treatment they extend to their ...er....'wholly owned subsidiaries' as opposed to their 'take-overs' (Jesus, Mohammed et al, and we're supposed to have some solidarity eh?) I must find a lawyer to explain the difference. WE DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF BA. WE HAVE NO CHOICE - WE ARE. THEREFORE, WE EXPECT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AS SUCH.
4. Several choices I guess. No means of enforcement.
a) BA can (again) with the connivance of BALPA execute a Dan-Air scenario.
b) As the losses mount up, due entirely to the pathetic inability of their management to emulate our FORMER management and make a profit, they could dispose of us one corporate way or another.
c) BALPA could show a little honour, unite and demand that BACX pilots join the master seniority list at the bottom.
Now, please, explain how option 'c' would disadvantage ANY serving mainline pilot??? What it would do, ethically and morally would protect the jobs of people who never wanted to join BA - but whose Company and careers were purchased and completely f#cked by BA. Yes, the circle is squared. We didn't want to be part of BA, we would rather it had never happened. (I'll gloss over the disposal of the people who made the component parts of BACX profitable....but who were deemed .....surplus to requirements. ) How the BA personnel are unable to understand our point of view is the mountain that has stood between them.....and the rest of the Industry for twenty five years. In the worst possible scenario, I suppose people who have trained mainliners, have flown with them, have flown mainline aircraft previously...might all flunk a conversion. If that were the case.....well, then mainliners could sneer at will and we would have to get on with it. But....er.....although the CFE chop rate may have been slightly higher than the full, shiny, total interview candidate....
1) would that matter in really significant cost terms in the great BA 'big picture budget'?
2) are we talking conversion failures versus line training failures, because I happen to know that those two stats are very different in the BA system, and a load of total bollo#cks is inferred by the true politicians their management are when comparing apples with bananas.
3. Would it be significant in the great scheme of things if the occasional LPL accent were heard - it might balance the self-satisfied vocal smirking from those whose security owed nothing to their ability but all to their skewed BALPA allegiance and the fortuitous nature of their contracts!!!!
I fly with people every day whose main concern is their jobs, their families, their locations, their futures. Regrettably, I also fly sometimes with people whose only worry is... er... 747 or 777. Or perhaps...ummmm LHR or LGW and what are the commuting costs from France versus the tax breaks. I suppose I'm pretty used to it by now, I suppose I don't even hope for a happy ending any more.........BUT THERE IS NO WAY I'LL LISTEN TO THE BA SH#T AND GO QUIETLY ANY MORE EITHER!!!!!!!!!
(Particularly when we get to the personalised condescending patronising and innaccurate horse - sh#t of the nature of the last Nigel herewith.)
PS Timbo got fired though - maybe there is a God......
1. We NEVER wanted to be in BA. We would have applied earlier if that was our aim.
This was because we had a Regional Airlines lifestyle which, for those of us which stuck with it, gave us what we wanted. Yep, it didn't pay as much, but it (was) very profitable, secure, and most important allowed us to live in an area of the country we had picked with a lifestyle that worked.
2. B.A. bought us.
Probably mainly for the LHR slots, who the hell knows. The ones that do probably aren't there anymore. We still DON'T actually want to be part of BA, but we accept we are but teensy cogs. However, having delivered what our purchasers presumably wanted (whatever that was) we are more than a little p#ssed off at where we are. Our profitable Company has been trashed. Our bases have been closed. Our Fleets have been grounded. Sensible explanatory communication on the issue from both BA management and BALPA has been nil, condescending and illogical. Our employment base has shrunk, our jobs are constantly moving/relocating......but somehow we should be grateful for this.......er.....just like Dan Air eh? As the man said, don't p#ss down my back and tell me it's raining!!!!!!!
3. Regardless of any personal antipathy I or any other BACX pilot may have for individual secondees, that is irrelevant. We neither want, (nor certainly expect any more) sympathy from mainline for the usual treatment they extend to their ...er....'wholly owned subsidiaries' as opposed to their 'take-overs' (Jesus, Mohammed et al, and we're supposed to have some solidarity eh?) I must find a lawyer to explain the difference. WE DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF BA. WE HAVE NO CHOICE - WE ARE. THEREFORE, WE EXPECT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AS SUCH.
4. Several choices I guess. No means of enforcement.
a) BA can (again) with the connivance of BALPA execute a Dan-Air scenario.
b) As the losses mount up, due entirely to the pathetic inability of their management to emulate our FORMER management and make a profit, they could dispose of us one corporate way or another.
c) BALPA could show a little honour, unite and demand that BACX pilots join the master seniority list at the bottom.
Now, please, explain how option 'c' would disadvantage ANY serving mainline pilot??? What it would do, ethically and morally would protect the jobs of people who never wanted to join BA - but whose Company and careers were purchased and completely f#cked by BA. Yes, the circle is squared. We didn't want to be part of BA, we would rather it had never happened. (I'll gloss over the disposal of the people who made the component parts of BACX profitable....but who were deemed .....surplus to requirements. ) How the BA personnel are unable to understand our point of view is the mountain that has stood between them.....and the rest of the Industry for twenty five years. In the worst possible scenario, I suppose people who have trained mainliners, have flown with them, have flown mainline aircraft previously...might all flunk a conversion. If that were the case.....well, then mainliners could sneer at will and we would have to get on with it. But....er.....although the CFE chop rate may have been slightly higher than the full, shiny, total interview candidate....
1) would that matter in really significant cost terms in the great BA 'big picture budget'?
2) are we talking conversion failures versus line training failures, because I happen to know that those two stats are very different in the BA system, and a load of total bollo#cks is inferred by the true politicians their management are when comparing apples with bananas.
3. Would it be significant in the great scheme of things if the occasional LPL accent were heard - it might balance the self-satisfied vocal smirking from those whose security owed nothing to their ability but all to their skewed BALPA allegiance and the fortuitous nature of their contracts!!!!
I fly with people every day whose main concern is their jobs, their families, their locations, their futures. Regrettably, I also fly sometimes with people whose only worry is... er... 747 or 777. Or perhaps...ummmm LHR or LGW and what are the commuting costs from France versus the tax breaks. I suppose I'm pretty used to it by now, I suppose I don't even hope for a happy ending any more.........BUT THERE IS NO WAY I'LL LISTEN TO THE BA SH#T AND GO QUIETLY ANY MORE EITHER!!!!!!!!!
(Particularly when we get to the personalised condescending patronising and innaccurate horse - sh#t of the nature of the last Nigel herewith.)
PS Timbo got fired though - maybe there is a God......
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Well said Little Prince,
is it true that you got accepted into the BA holding pool a few years ago, after passing the interview process ????
but decided (hmm) to stay put in CWL
is it true that you got accepted into the BA holding pool a few years ago, after passing the interview process ????
but decided (hmm) to stay put in CWL
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Little Prince for management.
Willie Walsh, are you reading this.
Would you care to reply in any way.
One of the best assets you can have is your staff.
Your BACX pilots need to be treated with the respect they deserve.
I watch with interest to see how you sort this mess out.
Willie, why not invite Little Prince for lunch sometime and
hear what a man from the other side thinks.
Willie Walsh, are you reading this.
Would you care to reply in any way.
One of the best assets you can have is your staff.
Your BACX pilots need to be treated with the respect they deserve.
I watch with interest to see how you sort this mess out.
Willie, why not invite Little Prince for lunch sometime and
hear what a man from the other side thinks.
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The Little Princess
What you don't seem to realise, is that 'British Airways Plc' are the SOLE arbiters of whom they choose to employ.
No amount of "demands" from a 'united BALPA and BACX pilots' will change that one jot!
When BA Plc see that it is in THEIR interests to incorporate BACX pilots onto the master seniority list; they will do exactly that. Until that time, they will not!
The problem is this: You yourself (happily?) described BACX as the 'low cost' arm of BA when all those regional RJ jobs came your way. But you can't now seem to grasp the true meaning of the term "clear blue water" so beloved (I believe) of your outgoing GMFO!!
Now if BACX truly IS such a bad place to work, you know exactly what to do!
Many of your (recently ex) colleagues have, and already ARE moving up the BA master seniority list, with more to follow.
The opportunity is open to you too. What makes YOU so special, that you deserve to avoid the efforts THEY have made?
As for your comment:
".........BUT THERE IS NO WAY I'LL LISTEN TO THE BA SH#T AND GO QUIETLY ANY MORE EITHER!!!!!!!!!"
Fill your boots. Nobody cares any more whether YOU are quiet OR bitter and twisted!
It is simply not an issue for anybody in mainline.
Not meant to be harsh, it's just a fact.
What you don't seem to realise, is that 'British Airways Plc' are the SOLE arbiters of whom they choose to employ.
No amount of "demands" from a 'united BALPA and BACX pilots' will change that one jot!
When BA Plc see that it is in THEIR interests to incorporate BACX pilots onto the master seniority list; they will do exactly that. Until that time, they will not!
The problem is this: You yourself (happily?) described BACX as the 'low cost' arm of BA when all those regional RJ jobs came your way. But you can't now seem to grasp the true meaning of the term "clear blue water" so beloved (I believe) of your outgoing GMFO!!
Now if BACX truly IS such a bad place to work, you know exactly what to do!
Many of your (recently ex) colleagues have, and already ARE moving up the BA master seniority list, with more to follow.
The opportunity is open to you too. What makes YOU so special, that you deserve to avoid the efforts THEY have made?
As for your comment:
".........BUT THERE IS NO WAY I'LL LISTEN TO THE BA SH#T AND GO QUIETLY ANY MORE EITHER!!!!!!!!!"
Fill your boots. Nobody cares any more whether YOU are quiet OR bitter and twisted!
It is simply not an issue for anybody in mainline.
Not meant to be harsh, it's just a fact.
Enough of the arrogant, supposedly snobbish attitudes..
BA have LPL pilots already working for them. I know of several (2 of which would have stood a great chance as extras on Brookside!!! They can't spell for sh1t (sorry boys, but you know it's true, and I've wound you up about it in the past!)).
A couple of years ago it was proven that regional accents were deemed more acceptable than 'marbles in mouth' South East accents (BBC findings I believe).
We are continually being told to go elsewhere if we don't like the job we are in now. Put yourself in the same position... 12-15 years seniority and Nigel decides to unilaterally redefine the definition of the regional airline you signed up to.. as well as disposing of 26 aircraft which were operating profitably without Nigel's interference... THEN telling you that you should be grateful for the 16 'mainline' (HA!) aircraft that were gifted to you... even though you would only be allowed to fill the remaining seats after the elite had their pick.
BA love to pride themselves on the fact that they are considered a 'non-redundancy' airline.. Well waken up and smell the coffee cos BACX (A Wholly Owned Subsidiary - what a difference ) are about to enforce quite a few redundancies after the latest business plan (contradiction in terms!).
I know that not all mainline pilots spout the sh1t that the posters on pprune do.. God forbid. I do realise that it's the minority with chips on their shoulders, and broomshafts up their @sses, but they ought to actually open their eyes and look as a human being and a supposedly fellow professional (yes we actually ALL have the same qualifications as you) to see the devastation that is being caused to family life because of the ineptitude of BA managers who have still been unable to successfully run a regional airline.
BA have LPL pilots already working for them. I know of several (2 of which would have stood a great chance as extras on Brookside!!! They can't spell for sh1t (sorry boys, but you know it's true, and I've wound you up about it in the past!)).
A couple of years ago it was proven that regional accents were deemed more acceptable than 'marbles in mouth' South East accents (BBC findings I believe).
We are continually being told to go elsewhere if we don't like the job we are in now. Put yourself in the same position... 12-15 years seniority and Nigel decides to unilaterally redefine the definition of the regional airline you signed up to.. as well as disposing of 26 aircraft which were operating profitably without Nigel's interference... THEN telling you that you should be grateful for the 16 'mainline' (HA!) aircraft that were gifted to you... even though you would only be allowed to fill the remaining seats after the elite had their pick.
BA love to pride themselves on the fact that they are considered a 'non-redundancy' airline.. Well waken up and smell the coffee cos BACX (A Wholly Owned Subsidiary - what a difference
) are about to enforce quite a few redundancies after the latest business plan (contradiction in terms!).I know that not all mainline pilots spout the sh1t that the posters on pprune do.. God forbid. I do realise that it's the minority with chips on their shoulders, and broomshafts up their @sses, but they ought to actually open their eyes and look as a human being and a supposedly fellow professional (yes we actually ALL have the same qualifications as you) to see the devastation that is being caused to family life because of the ineptitude of BA managers who have still been unable to successfully run a regional airline.
