Monarch Interview
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From: 52N 20E
Are any of these positions commutable?
Say, from GLA or EDI?
Would be very interested if they were. Quality of life for me is more important now.
Somebody earlier on mentioned that only the more experienced guys/girls would be considered for the A300.
What sort of experience would this be?
Say, 5000hrs + CRJ/RJ100/Bae 146/Emb 145??
Or would you need Boeing/Airbus/longhual experience?
All Info appreciated.
Say, from GLA or EDI?
Would be very interested if they were. Quality of life for me is more important now.
Somebody earlier on mentioned that only the more experienced guys/girls would be considered for the A300.
What sort of experience would this be?
Say, 5000hrs + CRJ/RJ100/Bae 146/Emb 145??
Or would you need Boeing/Airbus/longhual experience?
All Info appreciated.
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: UK
Monarch is a good company to work for. Yes, things are not what they used to be, but I think many airlines have changed in similar ways.
Scale C was a rushed and huge step, but it is being fought by BALPA and I believe they are making progress on improving it. Well done to them for their efforts. Things WILL change for the better.
Monarch is not a new airline but more of a traditional airline with traditional values. The people are great and the flying can be quite interesting. Monarch is expanding. Their Low Cost model seems to be working, and the charter is as you'd expect. With aircraft orders on the horizon and new scheduled routes being announced, it won't be a bad airline to work for.
If you've applied to Mon/ or are thinking about it, you've done so for a reason. Don't back out based on scale 'C'.
I say be yourself and go for it!! If you get through, you'l fly just 2 sectors a day, get a hat, and have the possiblity of flying long haul in the future.
Life isnt that bad on this side.
Scale C was a rushed and huge step, but it is being fought by BALPA and I believe they are making progress on improving it. Well done to them for their efforts. Things WILL change for the better.
Monarch is not a new airline but more of a traditional airline with traditional values. The people are great and the flying can be quite interesting. Monarch is expanding. Their Low Cost model seems to be working, and the charter is as you'd expect. With aircraft orders on the horizon and new scheduled routes being announced, it won't be a bad airline to work for.
If you've applied to Mon/ or are thinking about it, you've done so for a reason. Don't back out based on scale 'C'.
I say be yourself and go for it!! If you get through, you'l fly just 2 sectors a day, get a hat, and have the possiblity of flying long haul in the future.
Life isnt that bad on this side.
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From: 52N 20E
Thanks for the info C172's.
Is commuting do able?
Is the A300 a realistic option?
Where are the stop overs?
What are Balpa trying to change, is it back to the original
"B" Scale or a modified "C" Scale?
If so what parts of the "C" Scale would be modified?
Lots of questions I know but there is a lot to consider when jumping ship.
Many thanks.
Is commuting do able?
Is the A300 a realistic option?
Where are the stop overs?
What are Balpa trying to change, is it back to the original
"B" Scale or a modified "C" Scale?
If so what parts of the "C" Scale would be modified?
Lots of questions I know but there is a lot to consider when jumping ship.
Many thanks.
Joined: Jan 2002
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From: lgw
Smokie,
Commuting - you must be able to leave home within 30 mins of callout and then be able to report in the office within a further 1 1/2 hrs assuming normal traffic.
Bases for A300 - Man, Lgw there are a few positions left at Ltn but are being phased out.
Stopovers for A300 - Bah and occasional adhoc/A330 rescue flt
BALPA - Chances of Scale C being linked to Scale A, very slim primarily because pilots are accepting Scale C now in its present format. The MD has stated that market forces will drive Scale C, as long as pilots want to join on inferior terms to those already established for the workforce then that is exactly what he is going to get!
There is a thread somewhere detailing some of the major differences between the 2 scales.
Commuting - you must be able to leave home within 30 mins of callout and then be able to report in the office within a further 1 1/2 hrs assuming normal traffic.
Bases for A300 - Man, Lgw there are a few positions left at Ltn but are being phased out.
Stopovers for A300 - Bah and occasional adhoc/A330 rescue flt
BALPA - Chances of Scale C being linked to Scale A, very slim primarily because pilots are accepting Scale C now in its present format. The MD has stated that market forces will drive Scale C, as long as pilots want to join on inferior terms to those already established for the workforce then that is exactly what he is going to get!
There is a thread somewhere detailing some of the major differences between the 2 scales.
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From: 52N 20E
I see the BALPA Web Site is showing the old T&C's for 2004, with todays date.
I'm sure I had seen the "New C Scale" there just recently.
Perhaps this indicative of a reversal?
Or is this just wishful thinking and I'm mistaken?
Any thoughts anyone??
I'm sure I had seen the "New C Scale" there just recently.
Perhaps this indicative of a reversal?
Or is this just wishful thinking and I'm mistaken?
Any thoughts anyone??
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 441
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From: UK
I think we all need to wake up and get real about things changing for the better. Why on earth would they? The airlines that have been offering such poor packages have had no difficulty recruiting people. The standard has droppped accross the whole field, because people are willing to accept it. And who can blame them either - being a pilot is a dream turned reality for so many.
So to all those optimists, I think you're kidding yourself. The nature of flying has changed profoundly in recent years with the rise of the low cost model. Rather than the standards rising, for pilots, it makes more business sense to drop them. And that is what's happening at all airlines!
So to all those optimists, I think you're kidding yourself. The nature of flying has changed profoundly in recent years with the rise of the low cost model. Rather than the standards rising, for pilots, it makes more business sense to drop them. And that is what's happening at all airlines!
Joined: May 2003
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From: UK
Well, not really. The hay day for the train driver has come and gone.
London underground pay their drivers a lot of money. In some cases more than pilots. But it is due to an absolute monopoly that the union can use to it's advantage. If there was only one airline allowed ,then we would have a similar scenario.
Wish it were different, believe me.
London underground pay their drivers a lot of money. In some cases more than pilots. But it is due to an absolute monopoly that the union can use to it's advantage. If there was only one airline allowed ,then we would have a similar scenario.
Wish it were different, believe me.
stilljustanothernumber
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From: the night sky
Something to consider is that this massive expansion is the biggest in Monarchs' history. If it goes wrong, the company will contract again just as quickly and this years joiners will be out the door!
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I understood that the numbers are required to replace people that have left. Don't know if there are many Airbuses that are due to arrive, but they are only getting 2 767's later this year.
I suppose they were counting on MYT to go down the pan and so taking on their people. As this is now not happening, thankfully, Monarch have had to recruit direct entry guys.
Smokie, news of a holding pool is news to me? Why do you ask? Are you about to go swimming in it.
I suppose they were counting on MYT to go down the pan and so taking on their people. As this is now not happening, thankfully, Monarch have had to recruit direct entry guys.
Smokie, news of a holding pool is news to me? Why do you ask? Are you about to go swimming in it.
Joined: Apr 2003
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From: UK
When people say that the T&C's are reduced am i right in saying that means:
Starting Salary: £39000
No flight or duty pay.
No staff travel, medical, loss of licence, private health???????????
I am aware that the pension is matched contribution up to 8%.
Will Balpa get all these changes revoked or is it wishfull dreaming?????
Anyone in the know please give an accurate representation of the C scale.
PM me if necessary.
Many thanks
Joe
Starting Salary: £39000
No flight or duty pay.
No staff travel, medical, loss of licence, private health???????????
I am aware that the pension is matched contribution up to 8%.
Will Balpa get all these changes revoked or is it wishfull dreaming?????
Anyone in the know please give an accurate representation of the C scale.
PM me if necessary.
Many thanks
Joe
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: UK
Capt: £64323 - £77362
F/O: £39000 - £45543
Pay review annually and pay rise annually in ten increments to top end of scale.
FDP: £2.38 per hour (out and back flight)
£2.86 per hour (if flight includes a nightstop)
32% of allowances is Taxable.
37 day leave (inc bank hols)
Licence fee renewals and medical - paid by company.
Car allowance when on company business away from base.
BUPA Medical Insurance
Insurance against Injury - Provided by company
Personal Effects Insurance - Provided by company
Loss of Licence - 2 x Scale C Basic salery
Company pension - Money purchase scheme - Company will match upto 8%.
I think that this is a good package and inline with what other airlines are offering.
I am as pleased as punch to be starting with Monarch in the near future.
F/O: £39000 - £45543
Pay review annually and pay rise annually in ten increments to top end of scale.
FDP: £2.38 per hour (out and back flight)
£2.86 per hour (if flight includes a nightstop)
32% of allowances is Taxable.
37 day leave (inc bank hols)
Licence fee renewals and medical - paid by company.
Car allowance when on company business away from base.
BUPA Medical Insurance
Insurance against Injury - Provided by company
Personal Effects Insurance - Provided by company
Loss of Licence - 2 x Scale C Basic salery
Company pension - Money purchase scheme - Company will match upto 8%.
I think that this is a good package and inline with what other airlines are offering.
I am as pleased as punch to be starting with Monarch in the near future.
