Air Scandic DC10s
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Air Scandic DC10s
This is a bit of a spin off from the thread in Rumours and News - "MyTravel Redundancies".
There is a rumour going round that Air Scandic will be taking MYT's DC10-30 and possibly another one as well. I've also heard (on the other thread) that Scandic may be retiring their Airbuses. So does anyone know any more facts about this, specifically whether or not recruitment will be likely (Captain with 757/767 and DC10 ratings) or will Scandic just convert the Airbus pilots over to the DC10?
All info much appreciated.
There is a rumour going round that Air Scandic will be taking MYT's DC10-30 and possibly another one as well. I've also heard (on the other thread) that Scandic may be retiring their Airbuses. So does anyone know any more facts about this, specifically whether or not recruitment will be likely (Captain with 757/767 and DC10 ratings) or will Scandic just convert the Airbus pilots over to the DC10?
All info much appreciated.
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Would be a bit wary about the Scandic rumour. The same rumour was doing the rounds when the 3 DC10-10's were parked last year. I'm not discounting the possibility, just advising caution for any that may be interested.
Would be a bit wary about the Scandic rumour. The same rumour was doing the rounds when the 3 DC10-10's were parked last year. I'm not discounting the possibility, just advising caution for any that may be interested.
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Why would Air Scandic replace its A300s with older and more expensive to run and less reliable DC10s.
Also what ever happened to that Tristar they had?
If Air Scandic get the DC10s, you may expect many delays, there better off getting an MD11 or one of the last ever built Tristars from Air Transat.
Also what ever happened to that Tristar they had?
If Air Scandic get the DC10s, you may expect many delays, there better off getting an MD11 or one of the last ever built Tristars from Air Transat.
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Tristar was only operated as a stopgap measure. Air Scandic was looking at Finnair DC10s as they have had a long standing relationship together. Other types have also been looked at.
A300's are approaching large checks such as landing gear replacement etc. Furthermore Since these 2 busses are FFCC ones many of the parts used on a standard B2 and B4 are not compatible with those on the Air Scandic airplanes.
L1011 is much costlier to operate than DC10, regardless the age of the aircraft and for any carrier operating in Europe, would not be an option.
They have been in biz for quite a while, so they must be foing something right.
JJ
A300's are approaching large checks such as landing gear replacement etc. Furthermore Since these 2 busses are FFCC ones many of the parts used on a standard B2 and B4 are not compatible with those on the Air Scandic airplanes.
L1011 is much costlier to operate than DC10, regardless the age of the aircraft and for any carrier operating in Europe, would not be an option.
They have been in biz for quite a while, so they must be foing something right.
JJ
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If your comparing DC10's to L1011's then the 10 has got to be the favourite given the availability of crews in the UK. I think Caledonian / Peach were the last ones to operate the Tri* in the UK.
I seem to recall the availability of the A300B4 FFFC sim was an issue for Scandic at one point as well.
All speculation though.
I seem to recall the availability of the A300B4 FFFC sim was an issue for Scandic at one point as well.
All speculation though.
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For what it's worth the MYT DC10-30 (G-BYDA) has been extremely serviceable this year. I'm reliably informed it has had no B defects for months (except for the Electronic Tech Log). It served very well last winter and is also very busy just now doing Orlandos and Curacaos having practically no delays. Can't comment on the above comparison with the A300 as I know nothing of this type but you are maybe making a mistake to suggest that the DC10 would necessarily be less reliable. Admittedly, MYT did have reliability issues with their three shorthaul DC10-10s which were withdrawn last October but these were very different aircraft and quite frankly they just weren't looked after properly. Not sure how relevant the availability of type rated crews is though as Scandic will presumably want to convert their own crews anyway. If they do need DC10 crews then there are some excellent people about to become unemployed who would be happy to take the job on (and have a lot of partying in the process but that's another story).
Of course an MD11 would be a better aircraft but the DC10 can be leased for practically nothing which is from where the real money can be made (assuming the it's operated by a competent airline of course.)
Of course an MD11 would be a better aircraft but the DC10 can be leased for practically nothing which is from where the real money can be made (assuming the it's operated by a competent airline of course.)
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I have a feeling the A300s wont be scrapped they may even be converted into cargo aircraft like DHL A300s. Howcome Air Scandic are opting for the DC10 and not anything a little more modern such as a 767 or a A300-600, they are cheaper to run than a DC10, however on the bright side of things im glad
G-BYDA is getting one last go in life.
G-BYDA is getting one last go in life.
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SCY were told by the CAA quite sometime ago to move the A300 sim from Jakarta to Europe and that approval for OPC training could no-longer be completed on the aircraft...
It's been official about the A300's since the beginning of this year - don't know whether they will be scrapped but last I heard, they will be removed from Air Cordial's AOC by the end of October - wouldn't suprise me if JW has changed his mind after a few too many San Miguels though!!!!
The DC-10 thing was flying around all last winter (2003) for this summer - then never happend - Cordial got themselves a world-wide AOC though just in case...
L10-11 - as there isn't one on the UK register at the moment - the cost would be huge - as would an MD-11, do they have enough work to justify such an outlay?
In view of what work that SCY have for the A300, pretty much summer only....they should stick with Finnair B757 wetleases, much less hassel and cost!!!
It's been official about the A300's since the beginning of this year - don't know whether they will be scrapped but last I heard, they will be removed from Air Cordial's AOC by the end of October - wouldn't suprise me if JW has changed his mind after a few too many San Miguels though!!!!
The DC-10 thing was flying around all last winter (2003) for this summer - then never happend - Cordial got themselves a world-wide AOC though just in case...
L10-11 - as there isn't one on the UK register at the moment - the cost would be huge - as would an MD-11, do they have enough work to justify such an outlay?
In view of what work that SCY have for the A300, pretty much summer only....they should stick with Finnair B757 wetleases, much less hassel and cost!!!
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I have a feeling that Air Scandic will get the 757s from MYT to replace the leased ones from Finnair and 767-300s from MYT to replace their A300s. Oh and about no Tristar operators in the UK, there is the RAF isnt there.
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RAF Tristars are not regulated by the CAA - we do not have any public transport UK registered L10-11's....
I think you should send Mr Welsh your CV....for Commercial Director!!!!
RAF Tristars are not regulated by the CAA - we do not have any public transport UK registered L10-11's....
I have a feeling that Air Scandic will get the 757s from MYT to replace the leased ones from Finnair and 767-300s from MYT to replace their A300s.
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Im just think the L1011 would be a good choice for Air Scandic, i mean they have used one before, theres still some modern L1011s about and they are very good aircraft.
As for the RAF is it true their L1011s are being replaced by A300s.
As for the RAF is it true their L1011s are being replaced by A300s.
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Unless you haven't heard of the Air Alaskan Disaster...
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e-airlines has had a few too many e's I think!
he/she probably means Alaskan Airlines....
cost cutting in the tail plane screw jack maintenance regime they had,
dunno about the cold climate....
and after all theres not much difference between the DC9 and 10 is there? after all its only a 1
he/she probably means Alaskan Airlines....
cost cutting in the tail plane screw jack maintenance regime they had,
dunno about the cold climate....
and after all theres not much difference between the DC9 and 10 is there? after all its only a 1
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Seems there is some truth in this DC10 rumour after all. I was in the office this morning and was told that representatives from Air Scandic were coming in to discuss the DC10 training requirements amongst other things.
BTW, e-airlines, What on earth are you on about? Who mentioned cold climates???
BTW, e-airlines, What on earth are you on about? Who mentioned cold climates???