Brookfield/ryanair contract pilot forced to fix base
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Brookfield/ryanair contract pilot forced to fix base
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now they want to save costs as well on the contract pilots and force them to a fixed base against their will, where they only get 114 euros/h instead of 134 euros/h.
furthermore the working pattern is 5 on 3 off instead of 5 on and 5 off.
as well there are stbys planned where you dont get paied anything, but still need to be there and pay food and accomodation.
what can we do against this, as this decreases the lifestyle big time, if one is not living close to a ryr base
thanks for input
now they want to save costs as well on the contract pilots and force them to a fixed base against their will, where they only get 114 euros/h instead of 134 euros/h.
furthermore the working pattern is 5 on 3 off instead of 5 on and 5 off.
as well there are stbys planned where you dont get paied anything, but still need to be there and pay food and accomodation.
what can we do against this, as this decreases the lifestyle big time, if one is not living close to a ryr base
thanks for input
I am told that First officers when promoted are now offered brookfield contracts at 95 euros per hour!
Before long MOL will be making us pay for a seat on the a/c when we are flying it (oops shouldn't have said that,it might give the b@rst@d ideas)
Incidentally has anyone heard any rumours of the departure of a VERY senior executive from the White House to warmer and sunniue climes??
Before long MOL will be making us pay for a seat on the a/c when we are flying it (oops shouldn't have said that,it might give the b@rst@d ideas)
Incidentally has anyone heard any rumours of the departure of a VERY senior executive from the White House to warmer and sunniue climes??
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Understand that Parc is having a field day with RYR drivers wishing to leave as they need a lot of them for SkyEurope! Nice detail, one of the Parc guys is an ex DFO of RYR!
Moral is low to say the least...... and now BA only wants A3xx drivers for DEP's..
Moral is low to say the least...... and now BA only wants A3xx drivers for DEP's..
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CaptainNIC--- no one was forced to sign the reduced Brookfield's contract! Many did as I did and either ignored the letter or actually advised both Brookfields and Ryanair that they had no interest in any change! I don't know what is going on now though as many contractors seem to be getting rosters with large gaps in them! I've spoken to quite a few who say they will leave for other jobs if that is going to be a regular feature! When one is ONLY paid to work then one has to be able to count on a reasonably full roster! There are many positions available at the moment for experienced 737 NG drivers-- I get offers on almost a weekly basis!
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well lost soul...
that is right, couple of month ago, there was the letter (email) for volunteers.
couple of days ago then the forcing, stating: your assigned base is now XY.
but for someone who does not life close to a base that means:
*20 euros less/hour
*having to do stbys (they plan and fill the gaps with stbys as to get the 5/3)
*paying more as you spent more days abroad
*3 off days per period minus positionning leaves you 1 day at your home...
* and you can not move to the base for good, as you never know when they dont need you anymore...
this is like asking your kid: "do you want some salad?" he says no thanks. then you say: "well you have to eat it anyway"..
like this, they just gonna loose pilots..
that is right, couple of month ago, there was the letter (email) for volunteers.
couple of days ago then the forcing, stating: your assigned base is now XY.
but for someone who does not life close to a base that means:
*20 euros less/hour
*having to do stbys (they plan and fill the gaps with stbys as to get the 5/3)
*paying more as you spent more days abroad
*3 off days per period minus positionning leaves you 1 day at your home...
* and you can not move to the base for good, as you never know when they dont need you anymore...
this is like asking your kid: "do you want some salad?" he says no thanks. then you say: "well you have to eat it anyway"..
like this, they just gonna loose pilots..
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I'm also a contractor and have not had (or seen) such a letter. If I got one I would leave anyway! Have only recent joiners received these?? I can think of a number of guys like me who would leave for other jobs if this happened! Just tell them you are not interested-- there are plenty of other jobs around!
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I´m just about to sign for the Brookfield contract with Ryanair but I am a bit worried because I´ll be leaving my job and I don´t know how this contract set up is going to work.
I´ve been told that I´ll be flying 50% out of my base on a 5in 3off roster and away on a 5in 5off.
Also that I pretty much have a guaranteed 900 hours flying a year.
Quite frankly the money is not that good at all and the terms are not the best but I´ll be happy for the time being if I can just expect that.
Can any one please tell me what should expect as a contractor. How many hours are you flying at the moment? And the extra 20 € an hour when away from your base is enough to pay for accomodation, transport, etc.
I think with those conditions they will struggle to find many more pilots in the very near future.
I´ve been told that I´ll be flying 50% out of my base on a 5in 3off roster and away on a 5in 5off.
Also that I pretty much have a guaranteed 900 hours flying a year.
Quite frankly the money is not that good at all and the terms are not the best but I´ll be happy for the time being if I can just expect that.
Can any one please tell me what should expect as a contractor. How many hours are you flying at the moment? And the extra 20 € an hour when away from your base is enough to pay for accomodation, transport, etc.
I think with those conditions they will struggle to find many more pilots in the very near future.
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Don't count on the 900 hrs now--expect some months with less than 50 hrs flying. The rostering seems quite random at the moment and many of the contractors I talk to are looking around for other jobs. I don't understand what is actually going on at FR these days but they are certainly manging to p-off many of the aircrew (both perm and contract!) Even with the E20 added on the overall package is not as good as a normal salary with expenses-- accom at some of the bases can be quite expensive!
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I am also thinking about leaving my job of 4 years to fly for them. I have been told the same, 900 hours a year and captains making over 10kEuros a month. Are there any pilots on the contract that can give an inside view on lifestyle on the contract.
How much are you away?
How do you cope on the money?
what is your quality of life like/ family life?
Are you left alone to fly out of your chosen base?
Are ther many standbys?
Do you get standbys away form base?
I guess these are unpaid?
Do you end up living out of a suitcase?
How stable is your roster?
Do you get paid for block hours flown or only those rostered?
This is a big move and a bit of a gamble but I guess you have to speculate to accumulate....
Any inside info would be a great help...
Thanks in advance...
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How much are you away?
How do you cope on the money?
what is your quality of life like/ family life?
Are you left alone to fly out of your chosen base?
Are ther many standbys?
Do you get standbys away form base?
I guess these are unpaid?
Do you end up living out of a suitcase?
How stable is your roster?
Do you get paid for block hours flown or only those rostered?
This is a big move and a bit of a gamble but I guess you have to speculate to accumulate....
Any inside info would be a great help...
Thanks in advance...
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I would certainly reconsider leaving a stable job to do the FR/BRKF thing. At the beginning I was making what you were told, but now it is much more variable and many guys are getting rosters with big gaps in them. Cost at some bases are quite high-- e.g. CRL and CIA and frequently the roster does not allow for passengering out on the first day and back on the last . (i.e. duty starts with an early and finishes late!) Part of the problem with the deal is the impersonal nature of the whole thing-- when you do have a problem or request it is difficult to find anyone to talk to about it! There are some quite sneaky clauses in the newer contracts so make sure you read it VERY carefully! I doubt it would suit anyone who valued a stable family life!
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Thanks for the info
Are you away a lot?
I was told that they try to roster you from your chosen base as otherwise it costs them 20Eu more an hour, is this true?
I quite like the idea of being left alone to just fly as much as pos. but I dont want to end up living out of a suitcase with constant disruption. I was told that there are no roster changes is this true?
what is a typical day like, early, late? At the moment I do max 4 sectors 5 or 6 hours block up to 6 days a week with only 2 days off and get constant roster changes....3 earliesthen 3 lates finnish on a late start on an early every week No quatity of life at all
I hope I'm not jumping out of the fryingpan into the fire
Are you away a lot?
I was told that they try to roster you from your chosen base as otherwise it costs them 20Eu more an hour, is this true?
I quite like the idea of being left alone to just fly as much as pos. but I dont want to end up living out of a suitcase with constant disruption. I was told that there are no roster changes is this true?
what is a typical day like, early, late? At the moment I do max 4 sectors 5 or 6 hours block up to 6 days a week with only 2 days off and get constant roster changes....3 earliesthen 3 lates finnish on a late start on an early every week No quatity of life at all
I hope I'm not jumping out of the fryingpan into the fire
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In all fairness I have to say the rostering is the most stable I have ever experienced in quite a few decades of flying but of late they have occasionally started "backfilling" the roster. i.e. You get a big blank in your initial roster and after you have planned doing something in that time a later roster suddenly fills in the blanks -- probably right in the middle of what you had planned! From the sound of things you must be flying for eJ at the moment so in general FR rostering is much better than that. Under Irish rules you can do much longer days (No Cap 371!) e.g. You can start at 0530 and do a double STN-GRO - about a 12.5 hr day and around 8 hrs actual stick time! MOst rosters are 5 days of earlies then 5 days of lates.
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That sounds a bit better news. Roster stability is a big deal. I guess at least with a 12hour day you get paid for it with FR thats over 1000euros in a day. not bad!!!
5 earlies sounds a bit tough but then at least you finish on an early and you are able to adjust much better. At the moment I get up 3 days at 4am then get home the next 3 days at 11pm by the 6th day I\'m nackered and then 1 day off then early to bed for another week the same I\'ve just had enough and on top of that roster changes....and no ££££
I think that FR must be better!!!!
What\'s the STN base like or GR?
5 earlies sounds a bit tough but then at least you finish on an early and you are able to adjust much better. At the moment I get up 3 days at 4am then get home the next 3 days at 11pm by the 6th day I\'m nackered and then 1 day off then early to bed for another week the same I\'ve just had enough and on top of that roster changes....and no ££££
I think that FR must be better!!!!
What\'s the STN base like or GR?
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Dear oil pressure raising.
What you say is pretty much what they told me in the contract so I suppose it wont be much of a surprise for me. At the moment like the previous guy I am working on a 6 in 2 off basis (early-late)
and reaching my dutty hours limit every week and I am really feed up. Working hard is not a problem because is what I am doing at the moment anyway but I do have a problem if I don´t make any money.
Can you please tell me if every time you fly away from your base seems that you have to pay for 6 nigths HOTAC. Is the 20 € extra enough? They told me that they have special deals with hotels. What is the average hotel cost?
And last, it seems that RYR is expanding very fast and they are going to need a lot of people. I´ve been told that in fact they are undercrewed at the moment so I don´t understand how come not everyone is flying to the max.
900 hours a year = 75 a month
Is that the average month roster?
What you say is pretty much what they told me in the contract so I suppose it wont be much of a surprise for me. At the moment like the previous guy I am working on a 6 in 2 off basis (early-late)
and reaching my dutty hours limit every week and I am really feed up. Working hard is not a problem because is what I am doing at the moment anyway but I do have a problem if I don´t make any money.
Can you please tell me if every time you fly away from your base seems that you have to pay for 6 nigths HOTAC. Is the 20 € extra enough? They told me that they have special deals with hotels. What is the average hotel cost?
And last, it seems that RYR is expanding very fast and they are going to need a lot of people. I´ve been told that in fact they are undercrewed at the moment so I don´t understand how come not everyone is flying to the max.
900 hours a year = 75 a month
Is that the average month roster?
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Since joining I have have averaged about 76 hours per month but that has ranged from about 58 to 99. Looking ahead now it seems to be getting lower. There is a rumour around that they are going to slow deliveries of more 800's and even perhaps send some of them to other companies for a while until work picks up.
Night stop costs can be quite high-- some months I have spent over £700 in hotel, living and communication costs and I am far from extravagant in my lifestyle! I've just been chasing costs for accom in CRL-- seems the range is from about E50 to E80/night PLUS food and other costs.(No company food , and they have even threatened to stop free water and hot drinks on the flight deck!)
Ryanair have a habit of ringing you on your private mobile so factor in some "roaming" charges for the phone as well. NOTE: Unlike most other companies Ryanair do NOT provide ANY means of communication with home base on the aircraft (No company mobiles, sat phones or even HF radios!)
GOOD POINTS- Great aircraft (738 with 27k engines!) Interesting routes (about 90 destinations) Minimal interference from the company. Generally high proportion of flight time to duty time.
Night stop costs can be quite high-- some months I have spent over £700 in hotel, living and communication costs and I am far from extravagant in my lifestyle! I've just been chasing costs for accom in CRL-- seems the range is from about E50 to E80/night PLUS food and other costs.(No company food , and they have even threatened to stop free water and hot drinks on the flight deck!)
Ryanair have a habit of ringing you on your private mobile so factor in some "roaming" charges for the phone as well. NOTE: Unlike most other companies Ryanair do NOT provide ANY means of communication with home base on the aircraft (No company mobiles, sat phones or even HF radios!)
GOOD POINTS- Great aircraft (738 with 27k engines!) Interesting routes (about 90 destinations) Minimal interference from the company. Generally high proportion of flight time to duty time.