Mass Exodus at BACX
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The recruitment is (predictably) F/O's. Recent twist is direct recruitment of low houred pilots direct onto the Jungle jet or RJ.
Why is this information relevant?
The majority of leavers are jet F/O's. The company is holding Dash 8 F/O's to their two year initial engagement freezes, thereby saving on double training costs. Also keeping those pilots on their lower salary scale
Therefore there are plenty of jet F/O vacancies to be filled. Hence F/O recruitment to the jet.
There aren't many Captains leaving; Some Dash 8 Captains, but no jet skippers. The pressure on vacancies internally is a lack of command seats. Secondees occupy command slots. If a secondee is able to achieve a command in LON then surely it isn't too much to ask that they return to mainline to take up that slot? The alternative means that there is every prospect of demotions AND enforced moves. A lot of the displaced pilots are very senior on the BACX list.
Why not place BACX pilots on the bottom of the master seniority list as suggested by Human Factors? A filter could be placed onto bids relating to satisfactory performance in the last two LPC/OPC sim sessions. If BACX does have a major incident do you really think that the crew and aircraft won't be labelled as "BA"?
Hasta la Pasta
Why is this information relevant?
The majority of leavers are jet F/O's. The company is holding Dash 8 F/O's to their two year initial engagement freezes, thereby saving on double training costs. Also keeping those pilots on their lower salary scale
Therefore there are plenty of jet F/O vacancies to be filled. Hence F/O recruitment to the jet.
There aren't many Captains leaving; Some Dash 8 Captains, but no jet skippers. The pressure on vacancies internally is a lack of command seats. Secondees occupy command slots. If a secondee is able to achieve a command in LON then surely it isn't too much to ask that they return to mainline to take up that slot? The alternative means that there is every prospect of demotions AND enforced moves. A lot of the displaced pilots are very senior on the BACX list.
Why not place BACX pilots on the bottom of the master seniority list as suggested by Human Factors? A filter could be placed onto bids relating to satisfactory performance in the last two LPC/OPC sim sessions. If BACX does have a major incident do you really think that the crew and aircraft won't be labelled as "BA"?
Hasta la Pasta
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So have we decided yet?
Is it "Mass Exodus" as described by rhythm method less than a month ago:
"I would say that in most people's book that isn't too far off a mass exodus, and I think it will be even greater given the recent announcements."
Or was rm well wide of the mark?
Is it "Mass Exodus" as described by rhythm method less than a month ago:
"I would say that in most people's book that isn't too far off a mass exodus, and I think it will be even greater given the recent announcements."
Or was rm well wide of the mark?
Why don't you ask that question of the service industry which is benefitting most from BACX's current plight.. the local pubs that are hosting leaving parties every week (quite often 2 per week at Manchester alone!).
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As mainline BA excuse me for asking the question. If indeed 101 pilots are working there notice surely this must present operational problems very shortly and if so how can such issues be dealt with. I apologise unreservedly for the mess that BA has made from the orginal two outfits, but then we do seem to have a skill in this field. At LHR its now spend, spend, spend as a result of last year we are now up to our knecks with outside consultants and the mass ranks of managers that will make T5 a great sucess. Good Luck ?
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Mass Exodus
Definately a mass exodus.......to date 151 pilots have left BACX since Jan 2005!!!
That does not include the 3 pilots who resigned during their initial conversion courses.
That does not include the 3 pilots who resigned during their initial conversion courses.
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The most interesting thing is that the leavers are now including a larger and larger proportion of pretty senior guys who were only staying because of their seniority and the lower positions available in other, albeit much better airlines. This has now changed, mainly thanks to the totally insane policies of Feelan and the relocations and ongoing base/fleet changes.
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Beerbelly - bear in mind that Hutchings/Evans MUCH prefer to see experienced guys leave. It reduces costs a lot more quickly than just watching FOs leave. As for experience to fly the line - who needs that?
I see our Command experience requirements being degraded all the time, but maybe when sufficienty bodies have left, the rest of us will be drawn into mainline - after all, we've got the uniforms now, its only a matter of time!
I see our Command experience requirements being degraded all the time, but maybe when sufficienty bodies have left, the rest of us will be drawn into mainline - after all, we've got the uniforms now, its only a matter of time!
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Where are the departing pilots going - Ryan, Easy, TFly, etc.? Are they well received and finding good opportunities? Any examples of success stories at finding other good positions?
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Well what-ever-your-number-is qrh, you so obviously belong to the New Victorian Mill Owner school of employee relations that it makes me feel faintly sick to read your "contribution".
Isn't it great that the great God of the Market you serve so assiduously is working hard and proving your "let them eat dust" mantra to be as futile and outmoded as it sounds? Good luck to all at or from BACX in you new careers. You sure dont need qrh to lecture you on "market economics"!
Isn't it great that the great God of the Market you serve so assiduously is working hard and proving your "let them eat dust" mantra to be as futile and outmoded as it sounds? Good luck to all at or from BACX in you new careers. You sure dont need qrh to lecture you on "market economics"!
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"Where are the departing pilots going - Ryan, Easy, TFly, etc.? Are they well received and finding good opportunities? Any examples of success stories at finding other good positions?"
Line trained one or two, very well received, very happy with new employment.
Nice of you to ask.
Line trained one or two, very well received, very happy with new employment.
Nice of you to ask.
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