BA recruiting - DIRECT ENTRY PILOT SCHEME
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numbers to be recruited
This financial year is 127. Good luck to those of you who apply.
By the way, I'm 100% behind getting new DEPs a better pension deal.
Come into this with your eyes wide open. The airline has a great deal to offer and is excellent to work for . . . but be prepared for :
1) working every weekend,
2) no leave during your childrens' holidays,
3) no respect from the management,
4) and being treated with utter contempt by the grossly overpaid cabin crew.
Lord Flashywatzits doesn't really exist, but if you are ex-mil, or a very experienced charter operator, be prepared for some "Senior" FO colleagues to be condescending. No offence, but it's their immaturity and inexperience which leads them to believe that seniority is more important than experience. Problem is . . . BA is driven by seniority.
Let's try and get this bloody pension changed.
Right enough typing!
By the way, I'm 100% behind getting new DEPs a better pension deal.
Come into this with your eyes wide open. The airline has a great deal to offer and is excellent to work for . . . but be prepared for :
1) working every weekend,
2) no leave during your childrens' holidays,
3) no respect from the management,
4) and being treated with utter contempt by the grossly overpaid cabin crew.
Lord Flashywatzits doesn't really exist, but if you are ex-mil, or a very experienced charter operator, be prepared for some "Senior" FO colleagues to be condescending. No offence, but it's their immaturity and inexperience which leads them to believe that seniority is more important than experience. Problem is . . . BA is driven by seniority.
Let's try and get this bloody pension changed.
Right enough typing!
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Yes, Blackball - you're absolutely right...missed that one, and the other ones's probably coming to the Airbus like the night Larnaca come Autumn.
Better make the most of it while the sun's up.
Better make the most of it while the sun's up.
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Type rated 400 & 777 guy's - where from ?
Maybe a few guy's from EK or Singapore but where else ! think BA will get plenty of 320 folks apply but may struggle with type rated long haul seats !
Good luck to all who apply !
Maybe a few guy's from EK or Singapore but where else ! think BA will get plenty of 320 folks apply but may struggle with type rated long haul seats !
Good luck to all who apply !
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as was mentioned earlier flt ops have been allowed to recruit 127 this financial year. Trouble is we have nearly 170 retirements and a slighly increased flying program. Not sure how management intend to fly the program as there just ain't enough crew. I expect they want increased productivity from us to cover this but with many LH guys flying close to 900 hours annually....
Any luck ones joining direct in longhaul will be almost certainly on the 777 as most vacancies are there with a very few on the -400 if at all. Prob only type rated ones.
Any luck ones joining direct in longhaul will be almost certainly on the 777 as most vacancies are there with a very few on the -400 if at all. Prob only type rated ones.
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I will be pretty surprised if we get many type rated guys onto either the Triple or the 400. Trying to work out where they'd come from as I can't imagine too many people want to quit VS these days, or EK as someone has mentioned. Equally, are there many ex-pats in Hong Kong or Singapore who aren't sufficiently established out there to come back to the bottom of a seniority list?
Not criticising anyone who comes across, good luck to you all. Just curious as to whether the T&Cs on offer would be good enough to tempt the people they're aimed at.
Equally though, I can't imagine we'll have a shortage of people for the 'bus, particularly if you don't necessarily need a type rating.
Not criticising anyone who comes across, good luck to you all. Just curious as to whether the T&Cs on offer would be good enough to tempt the people they're aimed at.
Equally though, I can't imagine we'll have a shortage of people for the 'bus, particularly if you don't necessarily need a type rating.
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We're effectively contracted for the full 900 hours on all fleets. You will find on both the Triple and the 400 that you will do around 800 hours per year before any over time. If you do any extra above your rostered hours, you will get paid either your 'hourly rate' (an agreed figure of about £30 per credit hour ish as a year 1) if you volunteer for extra hours or one and a half times that if you are drafted. I can't speak for the 400, but on the Triple, there's unlikely to be enough space in the month for them to fit any extra work into. The Triple tends to do shorter trips overall.
For both fleets, expect about 14 days off per 31 day month, plus leave. Expect £2800 ish per full flying month after deductions at year 1.
For both fleets, expect about 14 days off per 31 day month, plus leave. Expect £2800 ish per full flying month after deductions at year 1.
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That's a lot less than I thought longhaul guys and gals at BA were earning. To compare what does a SFO on these fleets take home? Say, someone at the 5 to 7 year point? I know time in the company makes a big difference to the basic but how much difference does it make to the take home pay? Just interested 'cos I've got a good mate in BA on the -400 and these figures don't tie up with the figures he gives me. He's been in BA now for 8 years - just didn't expect such a massive difference. Cheers.
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for SFO's depends on a few things. Deductions can be different for each person: some contribute more to their pension, family medical insurance, BALPA subs, recreation clubs, share save etc.
PP10 SFO 777 take home is around £4000 pm month for a full months work - around 86-92 hours. Obviously less for leave months as we have quite a lot of variable pay compared to other airlines although a lot less than it used to be.
At the moment a lot of overtime available due short crewing so if you wanna do extra you can and earn a lot more.
PP10 SFO 777 take home is around £4000 pm month for a full months work - around 86-92 hours. Obviously less for leave months as we have quite a lot of variable pay compared to other airlines although a lot less than it used to be.
At the moment a lot of overtime available due short crewing so if you wanna do extra you can and earn a lot more.
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As a pp7 on the Triple, I take home £3.6-3.8k per month based on a full month's work (CAP) and max pension contributions, with no overtime. BALPA subs, etc. are still to come off that. As I said, on the Triple there's rarely any space on the lines for overtime. However, if we recruit enough new guys.... 
Assuming barnstormer is at pp10, he'll be senior enough to get credit efficient trips which will allow him time to do extra work.
Assuming barnstormer is at pp10, he'll be senior enough to get credit efficient trips which will allow him time to do extra work.
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Ah yes but once all these new plumbers come on line salaries will plummet, just like the IT boys salaries did. One £100k a year IT guy recently drove me home in his taxi....you can't get on a plumbing course for love nor money...
£2800 in the first year isn't too hot but the longterm figures PP10 and PP7 are good.
Don't think they'll have any problem recruiting but they won't get me
Always wanted to work for BA but live in the regions and happy with my meagre £2700 net (after pension contribution), 14 days off this month and no night stops!
£2800 in the first year isn't too hot but the longterm figures PP10 and PP7 are good.
Don't think they'll have any problem recruiting but they won't get me
Always wanted to work for BA but live in the regions and happy with my meagre £2700 net (after pension contribution), 14 days off this month and no night stops!
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Scottie That's a good attitude to have. Most of us that can live outside the SE of the U.K do so. Unless you bought property 10 yrs ago, it is very difficult to afford anything decent for less that 500K. BA's salaries don't cut it I'm afraid. The regions used to be an alternative , but alas, no longer. One of the reasons the -400 is so popular is that it enables one to commute. Latest figures from Ops is that over 1/3 of the fleet now commute by air. Lord knows how many more drive for a couple of hrs from the Cotswolds or the Midlands. Another option is to go part time. Again, very popular if you can get it!
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Been there - done that !!
I joined BA as a DEP on the - 400 a few years ago, having been up to then a Captain on A320. I guess I joined because I wanted to prove to myself that I could get into BA and because I felt like a change of scenery. I was fully CAA rated on the - 400 with about 4000 hrs in the right seat of the Classic and -400 combined. My rating was still valid, i.e it was less than 5years since last LPC had lapsed, but BA gave a complete type rating course to everyone, followed by about 16 long haul sectors to check out. SO WHY DO THEY WANT - 400 RATED GUYS, if they're going to do the full course all over again?
Anyway, I only stuck it for about a year, as under the bidline sysyem the junior guys get ALL the crap, i.e. endless standbys and no stability. Plus the money was crap compared to what I could make on contract as a A320 Captain.
So, my advice is: if you want to get a - 400 rating for free and try longhaul, definitely apply. It'll be a feather in your cap if you get in; you will have proved to yourself you're as good as 'the best'. But if you want to have some some chance of a command before you die of boredom on 14 hr sectors, don't.
Anyway, I only stuck it for about a year, as under the bidline sysyem the junior guys get ALL the crap, i.e. endless standbys and no stability. Plus the money was crap compared to what I could make on contract as a A320 Captain.
So, my advice is: if you want to get a - 400 rating for free and try longhaul, definitely apply. It'll be a feather in your cap if you get in; you will have proved to yourself you're as good as 'the best'. But if you want to have some some chance of a command before you die of boredom on 14 hr sectors, don't.
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You are absolutely right. Wonder how long it will be before BA have to start bonding people for type ratings? I'm sure it wont be long! What a sad reflection on the 'World's favourite!'
For a long time now, BA has been 'just another airline', and T & Cs are constantly being eroded.
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that even if you were CURRENT on the type you joined BA on, you would STILL get the full course!
People considering joining BA should think very carefully about your post!
You are absolutely right. Wonder how long it will be before BA have to start bonding people for type ratings? I'm sure it wont be long! What a sad reflection on the 'World's favourite!'
For a long time now, BA has been 'just another airline', and T & Cs are constantly being eroded.
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that even if you were CURRENT on the type you joined BA on, you would STILL get the full course!
People considering joining BA should think very carefully about your post!