Ryanair Withhold Salary Increases
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Having followed this thread, is there anything on it with any truth. I have read a lot of comments from people thinking this or rumouring that, and don't know if this is the truth but, etc etc. We never seem to have anyone who actually works for Ryanair complaining.
Can we have someone who actually knows anything about this subject letting us know what is happening or is this thread the usual anti -Ryan gossip.
Can we have someone who actually knows anything about this subject letting us know what is happening or is this thread the usual anti -Ryan gossip.
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You got it, Runway 31. We who actually do work for FR are too busy making money to bother with piffle. Fact is we got one billion Euros in the bank and are the most profitable airline on earth....by quite a long margin. The only people who bitch are the tall poppyists and junior f/o's (take home pay around £2500-4000 per month btw) that haven't had any other job to measure just how fortunate they really are.
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B... S...
you are too busy making money.
You don't get it do you. It's not about how much you think you are making now, it's about how the company keeps making more money and you will be making less.
Wait till you,ve been here a while and you'll know what all the fuss is about.
you are too busy making money.
You don't get it do you. It's not about how much you think you are making now, it's about how the company keeps making more money and you will be making less.
Wait till you,ve been here a while and you'll know what all the fuss is about.
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If Ryanair are the most profitable airline in Europe by a mile as you say, ( which they are) then why is MOL saying:
No pay rise
Pensions affected
Pay for your own medicals and in our own time now
No more crew water, tea and coffee
Pay for your own uniforms.
I did feel lucky but not any more. Its called taking the p..s. And why does he do it because he can!! And because people like you think everything is OK!!
If Ryanair are the most profitable airline in Europe by a mile as you say, ( which they are) then why is MOL saying:
No pay rise
Pensions affected
Pay for your own medicals and in our own time now
No more crew water, tea and coffee
Pay for your own uniforms.
I did feel lucky but not any more. Its called taking the p..s. And why does he do it because he can!! And because people like you think everything is OK!!
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Is this still all rumour or has the new 5 year deal been announced?
Does the "No pay rise" mean there won't be an inflationary rise each year and peoples salaries will freeze at the level they are currently at?
Please advise
Does the "No pay rise" mean there won't be an inflationary rise each year and peoples salaries will freeze at the level they are currently at?
Please advise
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My understanding is the pay rise (3%) due to us this next month, under the existing 5 year agreement , will not happen.
This is the company not fullfilling their agreement with the pilots under the current 5 year deal.
My understanding is the pay rise (3%) due to us this next month, under the existing 5 year agreement , will not happen.
This is the company not fullfilling their agreement with the pilots under the current 5 year deal.
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So from your understanding, once you have taken the salary jumps from F/O yrs 1,2&3 to command, you'll in effect be stuck on the initial command salary indefinately with no rise???
Surely as everything else around us increases in price with inflation, you Ryan guys will in effect be losing money each year, as your disposable income goes down. Does not an inflationary rise just give you the same amount of income per year relative to the costs of everything around you??
So from your understanding, once you have taken the salary jumps from F/O yrs 1,2&3 to command, you'll in effect be stuck on the initial command salary indefinately with no rise???
Surely as everything else around us increases in price with inflation, you Ryan guys will in effect be losing money each year, as your disposable income goes down. Does not an inflationary rise just give you the same amount of income per year relative to the costs of everything around you??
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rumour has it mol has been given 6 months by the americans after a vote of no confidence.
I also heard it from some people who work in DUB. But not about 6 months. Just no confidence by some investitor cause Ryanair lost about 40% in one year.
I also heard it from some people who work in DUB. But not about 6 months. Just no confidence by some investitor cause Ryanair lost about 40% in one year.
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Why do you never see Ryanair pilots on here? You do its just that we generally don’t like putting our heads up in case they get chopped off. That’s the culture of this airline.
How can a company treat its employees like this and continually get away with it.
1) No water
2) No tea/coffee
3) No pay increase despite a PRE AGREED AND SIGNED pay increase agreement
4) Pay for the car park
5) Pay for uniforms
6) Pay for medicals
So much for the Southwest model, where the employees are treated well, as a valued item.
The company made 200 million last year on the back of its personnel yet it treats them like this!!!! The Ryanair website still shouts about its fabled 5 year pay deal that it has just welched on. 3% !!! Well that’s on the basic that is MUCH lower than other airlines and equates to some 50% of your total pay when sector pay is factored in, so the 3% actually becomes 1.5%, far below inflation. Sector pay has not seen any increase in the 5 years. Remember also that all the pension health care etc is based on basic so we fall far behind in those areas as well. I for one would willingly forgo any pay rise if the company were in trouble and it treated the personnel with decency and respect, and you felt that they actually cared! This is just one more nail in the coffin.
So we are the best paid pilots in Europe are we!!! Well our basic is lower than any other jet operator I know. The only reason we make more money is because we work harder, 900hrs a year every year. It doesn’t reflect in pensions healthcare etc.
The worm will turn, pilots have already voted with their feet and are moving to the likes of Emirates. Does the airline care? No, because they can get new cheaper labour elsewhere at the moment. We are becoming the airline equivalent of a sweatshop!
Its not just the flight deck either, the airline is hugely short of cabin crew and as such call them out on their days off with veiled threats, these days off are lost forever.
Berenger Saunier as for
Im none of them!!
The Ryanair pilots are here, we are listening and our time will come
How can a company treat its employees like this and continually get away with it.
1) No water
2) No tea/coffee
3) No pay increase despite a PRE AGREED AND SIGNED pay increase agreement
4) Pay for the car park
5) Pay for uniforms
6) Pay for medicals
So much for the Southwest model, where the employees are treated well, as a valued item.
The company made 200 million last year on the back of its personnel yet it treats them like this!!!! The Ryanair website still shouts about its fabled 5 year pay deal that it has just welched on. 3% !!! Well that’s on the basic that is MUCH lower than other airlines and equates to some 50% of your total pay when sector pay is factored in, so the 3% actually becomes 1.5%, far below inflation. Sector pay has not seen any increase in the 5 years. Remember also that all the pension health care etc is based on basic so we fall far behind in those areas as well. I for one would willingly forgo any pay rise if the company were in trouble and it treated the personnel with decency and respect, and you felt that they actually cared! This is just one more nail in the coffin.
So we are the best paid pilots in Europe are we!!! Well our basic is lower than any other jet operator I know. The only reason we make more money is because we work harder, 900hrs a year every year. It doesn’t reflect in pensions healthcare etc.
The worm will turn, pilots have already voted with their feet and are moving to the likes of Emirates. Does the airline care? No, because they can get new cheaper labour elsewhere at the moment. We are becoming the airline equivalent of a sweatshop!
Its not just the flight deck either, the airline is hugely short of cabin crew and as such call them out on their days off with veiled threats, these days off are lost forever.
Berenger Saunier as for
The only people who bitch are the tall poppyists and junior f/o's (take home pay around £2500-4000 per month btw) that haven't had any other job to measure just how fortunate they really are.
The Ryanair pilots are here, we are listening and our time will come
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Well HHB, if it is any consolation (I am sure it's not) over here at CX, we replicate you in the following areas..
3) No PRE AGREED AND SIGNED pay increase
4) Pay for the car park
6) Pay for medicals
and we are not a low cost carrier (yet).
No help, I know, but the grass...
3) No PRE AGREED AND SIGNED pay increase
4) Pay for the car park
6) Pay for medicals
and we are not a low cost carrier (yet).
No help, I know, but the grass...
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Horse has bolted has got it spot on.
I am not one of those that B...S... mentions either.
Not one of those who laughs any more at MOLs swearing and f**k the BAA, BA, Easy attitude.
All the rest are catching us up and his only response is to look to within to save cash. Dare I suggest the great MOL is running out of ideas. Previously the answer has been cut the fares but we now know that yields have hit rock bottom.
Its a kick in the teeth for those on the coal face who have slogged there guts out to provide the company with 215 Million Euro profit this year.
God help us if we make a loss!!
I am not one of those that B...S... mentions either.
Not one of those who laughs any more at MOLs swearing and f**k the BAA, BA, Easy attitude.
All the rest are catching us up and his only response is to look to within to save cash. Dare I suggest the great MOL is running out of ideas. Previously the answer has been cut the fares but we now know that yields have hit rock bottom.
Its a kick in the teeth for those on the coal face who have slogged there guts out to provide the company with 215 Million Euro profit this year.
God help us if we make a loss!!
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Horse - you are absolutly right - You just hit the nail right on....
It is not fun anymore - everybody I know, is looking for somewhere else to start.
If the upturn continues - RYR will be looking for typerated captains big time - nobody likes it anymore.
Since Bilko left STN; No fun, no parties, no "nice chats" - just scream and shout....
One more thing people has forgotten - we also have to pay for our BAA ID´s...
So the last 3 years payincrease, has been eaten up big time - and I am not even talking about the UK inflation.
Stand up guys..
It is not fun anymore - everybody I know, is looking for somewhere else to start.
If the upturn continues - RYR will be looking for typerated captains big time - nobody likes it anymore.
Since Bilko left STN; No fun, no parties, no "nice chats" - just scream and shout....
One more thing people has forgotten - we also have to pay for our BAA ID´s...
So the last 3 years payincrease, has been eaten up big time - and I am not even talking about the UK inflation.
Stand up guys..
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Quiz time
"We only get what we are strong enough to take"
Which famous British Trade Union Leader said that and when did he say it?
It's still true today, not just at the Ryans but everywhere in our industry.
Which famous British Trade Union Leader said that and when did he say it?
It's still true today, not just at the Ryans but everywhere in our industry.
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Horse, you are absolutely correct!!!
If the company was at a loss you expect them to try and save money but with so much profit year after year is unacceptable
.......no water, that is pathetic
.......no tea or coffee.........I wonder how much they saving on this
the only thing they achieve with cost cuts like this "is a very bad feeling in the workplace"
If the company was at a loss you expect them to try and save money but with so much profit year after year is unacceptable
.......no water, that is pathetic
.......no tea or coffee.........I wonder how much they saving on this
the only thing they achieve with cost cuts like this "is a very bad feeling in the workplace"
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I have been in ryanair for a long time, I have never seen morale this low since some of the ATR pilots were made redundant all those years ago.
For those of you thinking of coming to Ryanair, please reconsider.
I wish I could turn back the clock, if I could I know I would have done things very differently.
The changes that mol is forcing upon us will change all the T's & C's of every pilot in the world.
He must know that he has made plenty of mistakes over the last couple of years, it's not our fault, we were loyal to him throughout all the trouble, we helped him to make ryanair a world leading airline.
Michael, please lay off us, you've made your fortune.
For those of you thinking of coming to Ryanair, please reconsider.
I wish I could turn back the clock, if I could I know I would have done things very differently.
The changes that mol is forcing upon us will change all the T's & C's of every pilot in the world.
He must know that he has made plenty of mistakes over the last couple of years, it's not our fault, we were loyal to him throughout all the trouble, we helped him to make ryanair a world leading airline.
Michael, please lay off us, you've made your fortune.
