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Anyone know if they are running anymore B747-200 courses in the near future? I would be interested to know.
Heard they started a course late last year.
Heard they started a course late last year.
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I can tell you they will be hiring almost non-stop for some time to come. They pick up the Lufthansa contract in Arpil and if I remember correctly, that is 4 freighters, up from 2.
However, what is driving it is the fact they are having crews quit faster than they can train them. The "new and improved" contract went over like a fart in church. Most pilots and f/e s took it as an insult. That coupled with the fact that there are no contract f/o upgrades, Icelandic only, makes it very difficult to stay. In addition, pressure to bust duty limits, not write things up take their toll at the end of the day.
However, what is driving it is the fact they are having crews quit faster than they can train them. The "new and improved" contract went over like a fart in church. Most pilots and f/e s took it as an insult. That coupled with the fact that there are no contract f/o upgrades, Icelandic only, makes it very difficult to stay. In addition, pressure to bust duty limits, not write things up take their toll at the end of the day.
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Correct, Bust Duty Limits, look at job with blind eye concerning aircraft DDPG.
Not allowed to write up A/C defect.
Would lose contract.
All considered smarter than DDPG.
Best leave while licence still in pocket.
Not allowed to write up A/C defect.
Would lose contract.
All considered smarter than DDPG.
Best leave while licence still in pocket.
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Meanwhile, Managment and Crew leasing
Agents agree things are great.
Atlanta the best thing going since sliced bread.
Training cost out of sight.
Long term pilots leaving due to pay, conditions and threats of operating against SOP, duty limits and DDPD violations.
New Long Term Contract only allowing Pilots 2 weeks to depart off base with half pay after 6 weeks work. No perdiem.
Yet Icelandic Pilots work 3 on and 3 off.
Ground Engineers work 21 0n and 10 0ff at full pay.
Was explained Icelandic Labor Laws only allow 3 on an 3 off.
Yet expats make up majority of pilots at Air Atlanta Icelandic!
What's wrong with this picture?
Atlanta way or the highway!
Agents agree things are great.
Atlanta the best thing going since sliced bread.
Training cost out of sight.
Long term pilots leaving due to pay, conditions and threats of operating against SOP, duty limits and DDPD violations.
New Long Term Contract only allowing Pilots 2 weeks to depart off base with half pay after 6 weeks work. No perdiem.
Yet Icelandic Pilots work 3 on and 3 off.
Ground Engineers work 21 0n and 10 0ff at full pay.
Was explained Icelandic Labor Laws only allow 3 on an 3 off.
Yet expats make up majority of pilots at Air Atlanta Icelandic!
What's wrong with this picture?
Atlanta way or the highway!
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I can't agree enough with what "howlowcanugo" and "2bad2sad"
have written.
AAI is a very strange environment. On one hand, they expect everyone to "bend" the rules. Duty days are routinely planned over what is allowed. When you question the "planning" they come up with the age old excuse "Captain's discretion". If you don't like it, what are you going to do? You're only a contract employee! Turning a blind eye towards things that have to be written up....it's expected and condoned. I hear last Hajj there was a -100 that flew with the rudder ratio light illuminated for the whole Hajj. According to the DDPG/MEL it's a no-go item. And the icing on the cake was the "new and improved" contract. I think most pilots took it as an insult.
On the other hand, if you want something done, a "favor", you will find the shortest memories in the world. If it weren't for the contract pilots AAI would have shut down years ago.
I realize it's an Icelandic company and the Icelandic pilots should get a better deal, but as it is now, it's a different world for contract pilots. There is no reason why AAI couldn't offer the contract pilots 20 on and 10 off. The real reason they don't is it would require planning. That's where there is a void.
Granted, some of AAI's work is last minute, but more and more of it is long term freight. They know the scheduld for 3 months in advance. If you look at the "master plan" you will see there is a continual shortage of crews. If the contract calls for 6 crews/aircraft, they might staff it with 4 or 5 and hope nothing goes wrong.
Anyhow, for those that have no other choice, my sympathy. For those that do have choices, please take advantage of it. That will get the powers to be to wake up. And perhaps get Jerry O'Springer out of there!
have written.
AAI is a very strange environment. On one hand, they expect everyone to "bend" the rules. Duty days are routinely planned over what is allowed. When you question the "planning" they come up with the age old excuse "Captain's discretion". If you don't like it, what are you going to do? You're only a contract employee! Turning a blind eye towards things that have to be written up....it's expected and condoned. I hear last Hajj there was a -100 that flew with the rudder ratio light illuminated for the whole Hajj. According to the DDPG/MEL it's a no-go item. And the icing on the cake was the "new and improved" contract. I think most pilots took it as an insult.
On the other hand, if you want something done, a "favor", you will find the shortest memories in the world. If it weren't for the contract pilots AAI would have shut down years ago.
I realize it's an Icelandic company and the Icelandic pilots should get a better deal, but as it is now, it's a different world for contract pilots. There is no reason why AAI couldn't offer the contract pilots 20 on and 10 off. The real reason they don't is it would require planning. That's where there is a void.
Granted, some of AAI's work is last minute, but more and more of it is long term freight. They know the scheduld for 3 months in advance. If you look at the "master plan" you will see there is a continual shortage of crews. If the contract calls for 6 crews/aircraft, they might staff it with 4 or 5 and hope nothing goes wrong.
Anyhow, for those that have no other choice, my sympathy. For those that do have choices, please take advantage of it. That will get the powers to be to wake up. And perhaps get Jerry O'Springer out of there!
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B'Jesus Joseph & Mary!!
Now lads, and you my dear Philip shapes..
Oy caan't believe you really feel this way after aaill oy've done for ya. Perhaps you would like to bend down to my level individually so we can arrange some special side deals!
Sure Oy've sometimes helped mesel to extra chunks of yer wag=es but remember the one who breathed life into your very existence by giving you a jaab in d first place
Now I want to enhaance each n every oneya so oy've gaat an aal new contract on the boil, furst to sign gets a commaaand guys! T be sure
Oy caan't believe you really feel this way after aaill oy've done for ya. Perhaps you would like to bend down to my level individually so we can arrange some special side deals!
Sure Oy've sometimes helped mesel to extra chunks of yer wag=es but remember the one who breathed life into your very existence by giving you a jaab in d first place
Now I want to enhaance each n every oneya so oy've gaat an aal new contract on the boil, furst to sign gets a commaaand guys! T be sure
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Do you need a JAR to work for them?
Do they do in house training at all?
Do they only get time on type folks?
Is it a buy a rating for a job deal?
When mentioned low wages, how low?
Where are crews based?
U can see I know nothing about this company!
cheers, atlas
Do they do in house training at all?
Do they only get time on type folks?
Is it a buy a rating for a job deal?
When mentioned low wages, how low?
Where are crews based?
U can see I know nothing about this company!
cheers, atlas
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Air Atlantic
I have searched other AA topics but have faield to see other than the $175 pay what the big deal is. I'm a B747 guy out of work and was very pleased to be contacted by J. O'sullivan. What is the interview process like...what is there company training like.?
I'm just a guy with 5000hrs, no job, and a B747 type which seems to be the the key with AA.
I'm just a guy with 5000hrs, no job, and a B747 type which seems to be the the key with AA.
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Cold Canuk....
Please do a little bit of research using this forum. There are several members who have written long messages about the pitfalls of AAI/AAE.
The problems range anywhere from pressure to bust duty limits, to not writing up snags to operating in a less than desireable area with no Jepps or support from the company. Dispatch is a joke. There isn't any. The "dipatchers" try real hard and are very nice people, but they get no help from the company, no training, and no license. Their prior jobs were outside the aviation world. This results in wrong flight plans, no overflight permits, wrong fuel loads, wrong payload. The list is endless.
Under the old contract, if you wanted time off, you got it, with no pay. No perdiem. F/Os US$175/day, Capt US$250/day, on a contract that is completely one sided and it's not your side it favors!!
There are other jobs out there. AAI could be a great place to work. However, it would require a big change on the Icelandic mentality. I don't see that happening. Most of the FFF (Icelandic Union) pilots wouldn't even consider the deal the expats have. So, that should be a good hint...
Cheers
Please do a little bit of research using this forum. There are several members who have written long messages about the pitfalls of AAI/AAE.
The problems range anywhere from pressure to bust duty limits, to not writing up snags to operating in a less than desireable area with no Jepps or support from the company. Dispatch is a joke. There isn't any. The "dipatchers" try real hard and are very nice people, but they get no help from the company, no training, and no license. Their prior jobs were outside the aviation world. This results in wrong flight plans, no overflight permits, wrong fuel loads, wrong payload. The list is endless.
Under the old contract, if you wanted time off, you got it, with no pay. No perdiem. F/Os US$175/day, Capt US$250/day, on a contract that is completely one sided and it's not your side it favors!!
There are other jobs out there. AAI could be a great place to work. However, it would require a big change on the Icelandic mentality. I don't see that happening. Most of the FFF (Icelandic Union) pilots wouldn't even consider the deal the expats have. So, that should be a good hint...
Cheers
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Well I'll be in the sim for the second part of the interview in the next days and for sure the AAE money are not the best but at least they offer full time contract and with today market could already be something!
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AAI takes your FAA license and gets a "validation" from the Icleandic CAA. In theory, and according to the JARs, the validation is to allow you to fly for a year while you get the JAR license. However, here is another area where AAI bends the rules. They just keep getting validation after validation. AAI has a "very good" relationship with the ICAA. In fact, the JAA has been looking at this issue for the past year after the Icelandic Airline pilot's union went to the JAA officials.
It's things like this that AAI is so very good at.
CRJMaui, I hope it works out for you, however, ask anyone at AAI/AAE and they will tell you the contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. If you read the contract, you have no recourse at all. If things go bad, you're stuck. There is nothing you can do. I know plenty of pilots who have found that out the hard way.
It's things like this that AAI is so very good at.
CRJMaui, I hope it works out for you, however, ask anyone at AAI/AAE and they will tell you the contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on. If you read the contract, you have no recourse at all. If things go bad, you're stuck. There is nothing you can do. I know plenty of pilots who have found that out the hard way.
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Thanks, I get the felling for this company, one thing that is a bit off topic is what you just mentioned about "gets a "validation" ", and "and according to the JARs, the validation is to allow you to fly for a year while you get the JAR license". In my uneducated opinion, that last comment could be exciting as ........... Are you saying that JAR countries, if you have the legal right to work there can can a validation for a year? even though you may happily only be there over the 6 month busy season? DOes anyone have a reference to the relevent JAR I am getting at here?
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