Ryanair or easyjet - difficult choice ???
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Rananim says
"...but 733 asked a question and deserves a straight answer."
So what do you actually mean by your answer?
Is is a) you would have a problem with an Irish person showing you how to fly a 737?
or b) anyone showing you how to fly the aircraft (I assume of course your knowledge of your new companies SOPs would be flawless from day 1)?
Or perhaps, and this would appear the most likely to me, that you are a little peeved that the most successful airline operating out of Britain is no longer flying the Union flag, but the Tricolour and an EI reg?
"...but 733 asked a question and deserves a straight answer."
So what do you actually mean by your answer?
Is is a) you would have a problem with an Irish person showing you how to fly a 737?
or b) anyone showing you how to fly the aircraft (I assume of course your knowledge of your new companies SOPs would be flawless from day 1)?
Or perhaps, and this would appear the most likely to me, that you are a little peeved that the most successful airline operating out of Britain is no longer flying the Union flag, but the Tricolour and an EI reg?
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Straight answers are fine ! However comments that are intended to be racially offensive are most definetaly not fine ! I have received no fewer than 6 complaints on this posting. On this occaision I am assuming there was no intent cause offense and the problem has been corrected. In future all contributors should moderate their own posts to preclude the use of racially offensive language. As always a little common sense ought to go a long way. Now back to the topic.
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I left easyJet after 5 years. Best thing I ever did. With 30 years flying, Frieght/charter/longhaul and low cost , easy are by far the worst employer I have come accross .... it's bad for your health .
Suggest Ryan : Much more stable rosters, more time off ( better quality of life), more pay AND a lot less management induced stress/frustration IMHO.
Suggest Ryan : Much more stable rosters, more time off ( better quality of life), more pay AND a lot less management induced stress/frustration IMHO.
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Totally agree with White Horse, I have just left Easy to preserve my health/family/life.
The fatiguing flying patterns and disruption there have been an ongoing issue for years, and that culture is now the norm. Oh yeh, sorry I forgot, they are addressing the issue as a matter of urgency, just as they were in Sept '99 when the new Ops Director arrived.
The new chief pilot will never,as a policy, have any NOW people back as they had the audacity to want to keep their health intact! He understands the problem though because his own wife went part time to preserve her sanity- must be nice to have the choice eh?How's the self rostering trial going?
I really am glad to be out!
The fatiguing flying patterns and disruption there have been an ongoing issue for years, and that culture is now the norm. Oh yeh, sorry I forgot, they are addressing the issue as a matter of urgency, just as they were in Sept '99 when the new Ops Director arrived.
The new chief pilot will never,as a policy, have any NOW people back as they had the audacity to want to keep their health intact! He understands the problem though because his own wife went part time to preserve her sanity- must be nice to have the choice eh?How's the self rostering trial going?
I really am glad to be out!
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Sorry, one more question....
Seems that Ryan would really be 'the' better choice.
Has anyone an idea whether they are recruiting now, whether you can choose your base ( probably not ) and what the selection process looks like ?
Thanks again...
Has anyone an idea whether they are recruiting now, whether you can choose your base ( probably not ) and what the selection process looks like ?
Thanks again...
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If you have some sort of evidence to back up that statement, I'd appreciate a copy.
The new chief pilot will never,as a policy, have any NOW people back as they had the audacity to want to keep their health intact!
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easyJet has so much potential, the problem is they are too far up their own rears to see that life in easy isn't rosey. I certainly hope I won't be flying orange jets this time next year.
easyjet is a good place for, a first job or a job for a few years. It isn't a job for life. It just isn't a nice place to work.
easyjet is a good place for, a first job or a job for a few years. It isn't a job for life. It just isn't a nice place to work.
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Slightly off the subject.......but Transworlds comment about paying the Ģ50 fee to FR 3 times and no answer yet, begs the question.
Has anyone ever got an interview with FR after paying up on the website?
I know many who have paid and are still waiting to hear.
Yet all the lads I know who have got in knew someone in the airline and never went near the website.
I know pilots who work for both airlines and if i had to pick one i think it would be EZY. At the moment things are tough for pilots and both are making hay while the sun shines. In the long run EZY will sort its rostering problems etc etc and will probably be the better airline to work for (opinion from what i have been told by both sets off pilots).
Has anyone ever got an interview with FR after paying up on the website?
I know many who have paid and are still waiting to hear.
Yet all the lads I know who have got in knew someone in the airline and never went near the website.
I know pilots who work for both airlines and if i had to pick one i think it would be EZY. At the moment things are tough for pilots and both are making hay while the sun shines. In the long run EZY will sort its rostering problems etc etc and will probably be the better airline to work for (opinion from what i have been told by both sets off pilots).
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Seems like I go against the grain for some.
I worked at easyJet as a Captain for a time, and I agree it is NOT a pleasant place to work.
They preach CRM but don't practice it. Out of the classroom - Captains are god and F/Os are the Captains servant. I find this particularly distasteful. The poor guys are not even allowed to start engines - not capable of such a complicated thing.
The problem seems to come from the fact that a large number of management pilots haven't worked anywhere else, but yet think they've invented flying.
They certainly ignore any input from experienced minds, and this I think is very dangerous.
Try it if you like, but I don't think you'll enjoy it - so many are trying to leave - that has to say something.
I have a number of friends at Ryanair, and they love it - they are well rewarded, but I'm sure they will have their problems too.
Also easyJet may charge low fares, but they don't seem to be low cost - money is wasted, and poured down the plughole!
One thing is for certain though - the future is NOT 'orange'
I worked at easyJet as a Captain for a time, and I agree it is NOT a pleasant place to work.
They preach CRM but don't practice it. Out of the classroom - Captains are god and F/Os are the Captains servant. I find this particularly distasteful. The poor guys are not even allowed to start engines - not capable of such a complicated thing.
The problem seems to come from the fact that a large number of management pilots haven't worked anywhere else, but yet think they've invented flying.
They certainly ignore any input from experienced minds, and this I think is very dangerous.
Try it if you like, but I don't think you'll enjoy it - so many are trying to leave - that has to say something.
I have a number of friends at Ryanair, and they love it - they are well rewarded, but I'm sure they will have their problems too.
Also easyJet may charge low fares, but they don't seem to be low cost - money is wasted, and poured down the plughole!
One thing is for certain though - the future is NOT 'orange'
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The engine starting is really a measure of SOPs. I've flown 737s with five Companies now and been a trainer for four of them.
Some Companies have the captain start the engines, some have the F.O. start the engines while the Captian supervises the whole push back procedure, some have the PF starting the engines, and one changed the procedure when the NG replaced the -200.
I don't really think that who starts the engines is a measure of the 'god-like figure head' in the left habd seat!!
The engine starting is really a measure of SOPs. I've flown 737s with five Companies now and been a trainer for four of them.
Some Companies have the captain start the engines, some have the F.O. start the engines while the Captian supervises the whole push back procedure, some have the PF starting the engines, and one changed the procedure when the NG replaced the -200.
I don't really think that who starts the engines is a measure of the 'god-like figure head' in the left habd seat!!
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Point taken KrissKross. Perhaps it was a poor illustration, but was there as just an example of the company's view (in practice) of F/Os.
I, for one, do not find it a healthy one, but that is afterall only my opinion.
Within the low cost sector, I think that the comment that those who leave Ryanair for easyJet return to Ryanair - but those who leave easyJet for Ryanair don't return, says it all.
Of course also the company policy of easyJet is that they will NOT return.
I, for one, do not find it a healthy one, but that is afterall only my opinion.
Within the low cost sector, I think that the comment that those who leave Ryanair for easyJet return to Ryanair - but those who leave easyJet for Ryanair don't return, says it all.
Of course also the company policy of easyJet is that they will NOT return.
There is a perceived problem for EZY F/Os that the promotion system can come down to the whim of the Base Captain who initially puts the yea or nay on whether a guy goes forward for Command Assessment or not.
I do KNOW that as far as the trainers go, suitable candidates are fairly and carefully assesed without bias - I suppose as far as this happens in any Company.
There can be a problem that some candidates assume that because they have the requisite factored hours that they will automatically get a command, and I'm sure you would all agree that this is not necessarily so.
To have a candidate fail a Command course can not only hurt the Company's forward planning, not enough Captains, but more importantly, damge the confidence of the candidate himself.
I have had the example of failing a guy on his final Command check, failing a guy on his Command assessment, and seeing a guy that I felt was of some training risk pass his Command Course succesfully, which was of great gratification to myself and other trainers, all within theclast year.
The problem is increasingly becoming one of experience level, and no-one gets a god given right to a left hand seat, and of course, I hope no one thinks they should.
I do KNOW that as far as the trainers go, suitable candidates are fairly and carefully assesed without bias - I suppose as far as this happens in any Company.
There can be a problem that some candidates assume that because they have the requisite factored hours that they will automatically get a command, and I'm sure you would all agree that this is not necessarily so.
To have a candidate fail a Command course can not only hurt the Company's forward planning, not enough Captains, but more importantly, damge the confidence of the candidate himself.
I have had the example of failing a guy on his final Command check, failing a guy on his Command assessment, and seeing a guy that I felt was of some training risk pass his Command Course succesfully, which was of great gratification to myself and other trainers, all within theclast year.
The problem is increasingly becoming one of experience level, and no-one gets a god given right to a left hand seat, and of course, I hope no one thinks they should.
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Krisskross' remarks are accurate, and very politic too. There are a large number of FO who are not promoted simply due to politics, notably the majority of the Dutch.
If an FO ever makes a critical comment in the crew room, or to a more orange captian, it gets reported straight back and that will be at least a 2 year deferment, probably permanent. The same has happened to an FO who refused to go into discretion.
While the assessment process is pretty fair and objective, it is very clear that getting onto the assessment program is entirely based on the fancy of the base captain.
If an FO ever makes a critical comment in the crew room, or to a more orange captian, it gets reported straight back and that will be at least a 2 year deferment, probably permanent. The same has happened to an FO who refused to go into discretion.
While the assessment process is pretty fair and objective, it is very clear that getting onto the assessment program is entirely based on the fancy of the base captain.