Airbus 320 new SOPs
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Airbus 320 new SOPs
For those who are implementing the new Airbus 320 SOPs
Changing the wording from Smokes to smoke/fumes is a improvement
Wondering how they are working for you? Are they better for you or not?
What do these changes in the FCOM have to do with the new A321 NEO FCOM?
Re PRO-NOR-TSK
Dont see how now having the CM2 doing the battery check and starting is a improvement?
So now as the CM2 is the one always starting the APU, the Captain starting the APU is a SOP incompliance according to the Airbus SOPs.
Also only the CM2 (FO) aligns the IRs, interested to hear from the genius at Airbus behind this change. Makes me miss Boeing
The Captain is now the one that FM database validity. Such a genius new SOP change from Airbus. (?)
why re-invent the wheel again?
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Changing the wording from Smokes to smoke/fumes is a improvement
Wondering how they are working for you? Are they better for you or not?
What do these changes in the FCOM have to do with the new A321 NEO FCOM?
Re PRO-NOR-TSK
Dont see how now having the CM2 doing the battery check and starting is a improvement?
So now as the CM2 is the one always starting the APU, the Captain starting the APU is a SOP incompliance according to the Airbus SOPs.
Also only the CM2 (FO) aligns the IRs, interested to hear from the genius at Airbus behind this change. Makes me miss Boeing
The Captain is now the one that FM database validity. Such a genius new SOP change from Airbus. (?)
why re-invent the wheel again?
A penny for your thoughts.
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We have been using new airbus SOPs, briefings and checklists since december 2021, everythings works well and more comfortable. Lots of things should now be discussed ,especially during preflight (prelim and cocpit prep parts). But they deleted After t/o climb checklist, imho very safety related one. I.e. l/g up should be checked
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We have been using new airbus SOPs, briefings and checklists since december 2021, everythings works well and more comfortable. Lots of things should now be discussed ,especially during preflight (prelim and cocpit prep parts). But they deleted After t/o climb checklist, imho very safety related one. I.e. l/g up should be checked
-CABIN CREW…Advised
-A/THR…. SPEED/OFF
-Autobrake… As required
-BARO REF… SET (both)
- ECAM MEMO….Landing no blue
With the new checklist, a proper monitoring from both pilots is enough IMHO. We had cases of crew forgetting to retract the gears even so it was acknowledged “up” by the PF after PM read it on the checklist. Or another case they will do the checklist then realised the gears are still down and then retract above 220kt..
I’m happy they removed the after take off climb checklist. All we have to do is to train the pilots to add in their scan the landing gears indicators lights after selection of flaps zero.
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IMHO a vast improvement.
there is always a reason why something was changed. More often than not a good or clever reason. Ask your training department. They should have the info.
there is always a reason why something was changed. More often than not a good or clever reason. Ask your training department. They should have the info.
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In making changes to SOPs many operators CAMO departments et al, will be talking to the manufacturer anyway.
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The OEM checklist may be well-designed, or it may be absolute trash that is literally unusable. Like, I remember King Air landing checklists that went all the way up through "Brakes.... APPLY" and things like that. How are you ever supposed to complete it? It wasn't made with any forethought as to when each item would be performed with respect to when the checklist could be completed, when is an OK time to be heads down looking at a piece of paper, etc. Someone just puked out a list of steps in operating the airplane and called it a "checklist" and that was that.
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A good lesson in why not to do it. https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/793232/ao2007044.pdf
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We have been using new airbus SOPs, briefings and checklists since december 2021, everythings works well and more comfortable. Lots of things should now be discussed ,especially during preflight (prelim and cocpit prep parts). But they deleted After t/o climb checklist, imho very safety related one. I.e. l/g up should be checked
I must be getting old... it's weird taking off and not calling for any kind of checklist!
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I’m happy about it actually. Let’s be honnest this aircraft is so well designed that you could fly it safely without any checklist if the crew were properly trained and were following SOP strictly. All the critical items are monitored and displayed on the memo, PFD and ND( WX radar& PWS). I mean for example the current landing check list in my outfit :
Not a big deal if not advised, gears down is their trigger.
Lol.. Really? You don’t know the status of your A/THR??!
Should have been briefed and set already during approach preparation. Also, when PM set gears down he should confirm the Autobrake status by SOP.
Ok this one is critical but already mentioned just before in the approach checklist…
The only one I agree is kind of necessary on the landing checklist.
With the new checklist, a proper monitoring from both pilots is enough IMHO. We had cases of crew forgetting to retract the gears even so it was acknowledged “up” by the PF after PM read it on the checklist. Or another case they will do the checklist then realised the gears are still down and then retract above 220kt..
I’m happy they removed the after take off climb checklist. All we have to do is to train the pilots to add in their scan the landing gears indicators lights after selection of flaps zero.
Not a big deal if not advised, gears down is their trigger.
Lol.. Really? You don’t know the status of your A/THR??!
Should have been briefed and set already during approach preparation. Also, when PM set gears down he should confirm the Autobrake status by SOP.
Ok this one is critical but already mentioned just before in the approach checklist…
The only one I agree is kind of necessary on the landing checklist.
With the new checklist, a proper monitoring from both pilots is enough IMHO. We had cases of crew forgetting to retract the gears even so it was acknowledged “up” by the PF after PM read it on the checklist. Or another case they will do the checklist then realised the gears are still down and then retract above 220kt..
I’m happy they removed the after take off climb checklist. All we have to do is to train the pilots to add in their scan the landing gears indicators lights after selection of flaps zero.
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Most of all they don't change manufactures SOPs significantly, the try to do it more conservative... As an example our Company policy force us to check Flight controls before taxi and strictly doesnt recommend to do it if acft is moving...and reason of this was a couple of takeoffs without f.ctl check...
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So when Airbus published SB that there would be changes to FCOM /FCTM/QRH/ CHECKLIST , there was an additional document with explanation of every change in checklist. There was a table with related risks of every item in C/L (ACFT damage, Human injure etc.) I have this one but I'm unable to attach it here. I think there all the answers to ur questions.
Interesting! Thanks. Any chance you can email me this document? If yes please PM me and I will give you my email. Cheers. =)
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