Filming in commercial flightdecks

[wiggy]

L1011........

As I understand it, if you are involved in an incident/accident then any personal GoPro footage is not covered by the hard-won regulations regarding FDM/CVR privacy and non-disclosure outside of safety-related investigations. This means that such footage can be used directly by police/prosecutors in a court of law.

Correct, see comments about cameras in this press release:

https://ialpa.net/non-disclosure-of-...ion-materials/

[L1011effoh]

Originally Posted by wiggy

L1011........




Correct, see comments about cameras in this press release:

https://ialpa.net/non-disclosure-of-...ion-materials/

Thanks Wiggy, knew I'd seen it somewhere but couldn't put my finger on it. . .

[BluSdUp]

I have a still picture of Cpt R filming with his Camera, on AP at 100 feet over Disco Bay Greenland. He is filming the 300 foot high glacier ca 200 meters to the left of us!
A good idea. At the time, yes.
1994 , Be200, no SOP and no internet!
Happy Days

[Jason74]

I see multiple benefits with allowing video imagery of departures and arrivals. But, like any aspect of operating an aircraft, common sense and airmanship must be used. IMHO it is pointless for companies not to have a policy on this, because as long as there are pilots in the flight deck, pilots WILL use cameras of some sort to film the AMAZING scenes that we are fortunate enough to witness.

As mentioned above, video of an arrival can allow critique of aircraft control which can sometimes be surprising! It also allows wannabes an insight into our world, hopefully motivating some of the best young guys and girls towards our profession. Sadly, visits to the flight deck are a thing of the past, but HD video footage of an arrival may be enough to swing a high achiever somewhere towards becoming a professional pilot and away from a mediocre existence in an office building somewhere. (Doing something ghastly like banking or government clerical work)

Years ago, I somehow survived holding a comparitively large camcorder during flight at low level in a fighter in order to film some hero footage to show my grandkids some day. This obviously has some serious implications on flight safety, but a GoPro suction mounted behind an airline crew is a far more benign scenario. Posting this footage on social media is another story entirely!!!

Jason

[NSEU]

I must be missing something here. How can you not mount a GoPro on a window without impeding vision of some part of the sky/aircraft?
Just how strong are these suction cups? Are they affected by window heat? Will they let go in severe turbulence?
In a crash landing, do you really want one of these things embedded in the back of your head?
Passengers are strongly encouraged not to use electronic devices during takeoff and landing, yet we see pilots doing the opposite.

[Jason74]

How can you not mount a GoPro on a window without impeding vision of some part of the sky/aircraft?Just how strong are these suction cups? Are they affected by window heat? Will they let go in severe turbulence?
In a crash landing, do you really want one of these things embedded in the back of your head?

The GoPro FOV is such that it can be mounted behind the pilot and still capture amazing footage of the outside environment, the pilots, and the cockpit. Visibility is not impaired. The suction cup mount is designed to be attached to the outside of moving vehicles and remain secure at speeds of 150mph, so the cockpit environment is well within the design limits. Of course, no-one wants a GoPro embedded in their head, but there are often many other loose items in the flight deck which in a crash will be flying around. A colleague in my company was involved in a severe turbulence incident around 10 years ago, and the tech log ended up in the rudder well! Based on my experience with using GoPro mounts for downhill mountain biking, I would have no problem with trusting the security of the mount.

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by jimjim1

you might want to read this -

A bored RAF pilot flying nearly 200 service personnel to Afghanistan sent his passenger jet into a nosedive when a camera he had been playing with jammed the flight controls


A Royal Air Force pilot has been cleared of perjury – but will be sentenced at court martial today after admitting he allowed his digital camera to jam his military airliner’s controls, sending it into a 4,000ft plummet.

Flight Lieutenant Andrew Townshend was taking photos while flying an Airbus A330 Voyager from RAF Brize Norton to Afghanistan in 2014. The court martial heard he put his Nikon DSLR down between the armrest of his captain’s chair and the airliner’s main control stick, mounted on the side of the cockpit.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...irbus_plummet/

It's on pprune somewhere. I'm sure it can be found easily enough. Injuries and I suspect quite a broken aeroplane but I can't recall about the latter.

Inquiry
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-february-2014

Voyager Plummets (Merged)

Sounds like he could have done the same thing with a thick book, or a thermos of coffee (Or the NVG case that caused the C-130 crash in Afghanistan) Doesn't seem to be particularly relevant to the topic of discussion.

[wiggy]

Originally Posted by NSEU

I must be missing something here. How can you not mount a GoPro on a window without impeding vision of some part of the sky/aircraft?
Just how strong are these suction cups? Are they affected by window heat? Will they let go in severe turbulence?

Hope not, given many airlines have regulatory approval to use these type of suction mounts (usually attached to side windows) for iPads and similar on the flight deck.

[pineteam]

I used to put a Gopro 2 with a suction plug on the outside of a Baron. The suction was certified up to 200 mph.

[compressor stall]

So no good in Sichuan A319 cockpits then....

[Less Hair]

In 1991 we had a DC-3 crashing in Germany. They had filmed inside the cockpit for some TV show and had put yellow foil on the inside of the Cockpit windows to get better contrast for filming. The FO flew while talking to the camera and the captain was inside the cabin not on the flight deck. The aircraft took a wrong turn into some black forest valley and crashed. Only one guy survided: The TV sound engineer who sat in the back restroom, the quietest place he could find.

[Midland63]

I'm just SLF and love watching these cockpit vids on YT but, if I were a non-exec director of the airline at a meeting considering a policy on this, I might put up my hand to ask is there not a risk of someone filming himself for public consumption being tempted to "put on a show" and thereby doing something contrary to best practice?

[agg_karan]

I personally think lots of youngsters post videos of themselves in this sensitive environment mainly to satisfy their craving for attention on social media from friends and strangers.
This attitude is per say very otherwise of what a man should be flying in the chair with that responsibility.
Wanting to tell the world how special things are in such a restricted access environment.

regardless of how and where technology can squeeze itself on various foldable tripods, we are just heading towards a situation where pilots are maybe taking this as an adventure program

That day isn't far what pilots do inside could come under FAA/aviation regulators scanner and airlines place cameras inside the cockpit also to monitor the pilots.

Any incident can happen while trying to film stuff because of distraction so IT SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED at all costs.
In the end people pay a lot of money to travel safely and place their faith in the man at the controls...

[agg_karan]

My post is purely for commercial jet flyers. Not for individual airplane owners who also stand to risk others by filming but I cannot comment on that