AIRBUS task sharing - Paper checklists
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AIRBUS task sharing - Paper checklists
Can anyone please clear up a grey area of Airbus operational philosophy for me please ?
When conducting a paper 'checklist', for example the MANUAL ENGINE START procedure from FCOM SUPPLEMENTARY PROCEDURES, who does and says what ?
My guess is that the PNF reads the C/L, and the PF actions each item but I cant find specific reference to it, and it seems to contradict the task sharing during ECAM.
I have also seen wild variations on how Captains run paper checklists out on line.
Is there a standard way ? Is there a reference to back it up ?
Thanks !
When conducting a paper 'checklist', for example the MANUAL ENGINE START procedure from FCOM SUPPLEMENTARY PROCEDURES, who does and says what ?
My guess is that the PNF reads the C/L, and the PF actions each item but I cant find specific reference to it, and it seems to contradict the task sharing during ECAM.
I have also seen wild variations on how Captains run paper checklists out on line.
Is there a standard way ? Is there a reference to back it up ?
Thanks !
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TaskSharing on GND - abnormal or supplementary
ForABNORMAL procedure on GND:
ForABNORMAL procedure on GND:
- ABNORMAL procedures should normally be applied when the aircraft is stopped and the parking brake is ON. Coordinate with ATC to stop the aircraft or to proceed to a parking position.
- Task sharing remains the same than in flight :
- PF – PNF roles are identical as in flight
- PNF reads C/L and performs the actions, confirmation by PF of irreversible actions is NOT required.
ForSUPPLEMENTARY techniques:
- if the procedure is related to engine start, it is recommended to read the entire procedure first and then:
- PNF reads the actions and
- PF acts on commands, even on the overhead panel
- Otherwise, the procedure is considered as read and do and is performed by the PNF.
Howevre this is Airbus SOP. Individual Airline may have their own variations.
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Same as vilas's post but...
...try to simplify anything Airbus by Boeingfying it with the KISS method -
1. Open your FCOM Supp to the drill required (eg man start, x-bleed, SE start/taxy, whatever)
2. PNF reads and both crew review (incl those pesky but bloody important notes and anything
in italics)
3. Both drivers discuss and make totally clear who does what and when
4. Questions
5. When it comes time to carry out the drill - PNF reads, PF does (ie challenge-response) and
PNF still crosschecks anything guarded
That's my outfit's 320 SOP.
1. Open your FCOM Supp to the drill required (eg man start, x-bleed, SE start/taxy, whatever)
2. PNF reads and both crew review (incl those pesky but bloody important notes and anything
in italics)
3. Both drivers discuss and make totally clear who does what and when
4. Questions
5. When it comes time to carry out the drill - PNF reads, PF does (ie challenge-response) and
PNF still crosschecks anything guarded
That's my outfit's 320 SOP.
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Yep that's what we do on our Bus's for x bleed starts and other non normal ground stuff.
PM reads
PF does.
With the exception of Manual starts which must always be done by the Captain.
PM reads
PF does.
With the exception of Manual starts which must always be done by the Captain.
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With the exception of Manual starts which must always be done by the Captain.
manual start - and if a problem the consequential Engine Start Fault proc that the
Frogs decided to put elsewhere in that FCOM!
That's two separate references one has to have open (PRO-SUP 70 and PRO ABN 70)
for the one drill.
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FCOMs are tailored to the Operator. In our mob it's ok to wrench a manual start
off a kid and do it yourself if you feel you should. Senior FOs I usually let do as
most are competent and not afraid to speak up if he starts losing the plot (like if
the APU shits itself as the first engine lights up).
off a kid and do it yourself if you feel you should. Senior FOs I usually let do as
most are competent and not afraid to speak up if he starts losing the plot (like if
the APU shits itself as the first engine lights up).
