ATIS braodcast on VOR stations
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ATIS braodcast on VOR stations
From looking at either the enroute charts or the terminal charts, how can I know if a VOR broadcasts ATIS messages?
Ultimately, I would like to know for a given airport, which VORs broadcast its ATIS message.
I could not find any info about this in the forum or other sources.
Any lead is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Ultimately, I would like to know for a given airport, which VORs broadcast its ATIS message.
I could not find any info about this in the forum or other sources.
Any lead is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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Hey Capt.
Happy New Year to ya. I might not be 100% on this but I think if my memory serves me well, on the Canadian Charts in the Nav Aid box; if the frequency e.g 115.7 is not underlined it means that you can receive ATS communication on the frequency. Underline indicates no ATS Communications. Hope it helps.
Happy New Year to ya. I might not be 100% on this but I think if my memory serves me well, on the Canadian Charts in the Nav Aid box; if the frequency e.g 115.7 is not underlined it means that you can receive ATS communication on the frequency. Underline indicates no ATS Communications. Hope it helps.
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Yep funny Dan, now re-read his question mate. 
He asks about reading "en-route" and "Terminal" charts in respect to knowing if the VOR has a ATIS broadcast on it...
Personally I don't know the answer, do you?
He asks about reading "en-route" and "Terminal" charts in respect to knowing if the VOR has a ATIS broadcast on it...
Personally I don't know the answer, do you?
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Yep funny Dan, now re-read his question mate.
He asks about reading "en-route" and "Terminal" charts in respect to knowing if the VOR has a ATIS broadcast on it...
Personally I don't know the answer, do you?
He asks about reading "en-route" and "Terminal" charts in respect to knowing if the VOR has a ATIS broadcast on it...
Personally I don't know the answer, do you?
Agreed
Never fails to amaze me. Somebody asks a perfectly reasonable question (I don't know the answer either but i'd like to) and smartarses start taking a pop!
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What Dan Winterland said is absolutely correct, feel free to research Jeppesen if you think he is wrong.
http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/av...t-examples.pdf
http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/av...ry-legends.pdf
Both documents are about 25Mb [each] and give no indication otherwise
http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/av...t-examples.pdf
http://ww1.jeppesen.com/documents/av...ry-legends.pdf
Both documents are about 25Mb [each] and give no indication otherwise
Last edited by Sir Richard; 18th January 2013 at 11:00.
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Oh god another one. 
Yes what he said is correct but it is a smart assed comment not answering the persons question at all.
I suggest you too need to re-read the original question.
1/ All VOR's are between about 112.0 and 117.9 MHz, the poster knows that they are NOT Comm freq you tune on the VHF radio tx/rx
Obviously he knows to listen to a VOR he needs to tune the VOR receiver!!
2/ "some" VOR's have a voice ATIS broadcast on their Freq. ( YPDN YMML etc )
3/ The poster was asking how you can know looking at an "enroute" and "terminal" chart that a particular VOR has an ATIS with it.
( Yes we IFR people are aware the ATIS freq are on the top of most if not all Approach charts.)
Simple question really, stupid smart assed comments regarding too low to tune in on a VHF Comm radio aren't helpful to the poster getting a correct answer.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW MATE?
Yes what he said is correct but it is a smart assed comment not answering the persons question at all.
I suggest you too need to re-read the original question.
1/ All VOR's are between about 112.0 and 117.9 MHz, the poster knows that they are NOT Comm freq you tune on the VHF radio tx/rx
Obviously he knows to listen to a VOR he needs to tune the VOR receiver!!
2/ "some" VOR's have a voice ATIS broadcast on their Freq. ( YPDN YMML etc )
3/ The poster was asking how you can know looking at an "enroute" and "terminal" chart that a particular VOR has an ATIS with it.
( Yes we IFR people are aware the ATIS freq are on the top of most if not all Approach charts.)
Simple question really, stupid smart assed comments regarding too low to tune in on a VHF Comm radio aren't helpful to the poster getting a correct answer.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW MATE?
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nitpicker330
Oh dear, another well balanced Australian, a chip on each shoulder. 
By all accounts this is the ONLY answer the questioner is going to get, there is NO other way the requested information is displayed on the Terminal and En-Route charts.
Please take the time to read thoroughly the Jeppesen documents I linked to above. Might be good revision too !
By all accounts this is the ONLY answer the questioner is going to get, there is NO other way the requested information is displayed on the Terminal and En-Route charts.
Please take the time to read thoroughly the Jeppesen documents I linked to above. Might be good revision too !
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I wasn't trying to be a smartass - I thought my answer was relevant! The answer is that the information isn't on the ERCs, neither Jepps or Navtech. If it's your destination or alternate, then you will have the frequency on your approach charts.
What I hadn't considered is that the OP wanted to listen for en-route information - I have only flown ACARS equipped aircraft for the last twelve years, so the question didn't occur to me. The answer to that is that you will have to get the approach plates out and have a look. If you're considering it as an en-route alternate then I expect you will have them on board. Alternatively, get the Flight Supplement out and have a look at the list of ATISs available in the MET section. It lists them all for you region with the frequencies - and mentions the VOR ident from which they are being broadcast.
Small apology- but only a very small one!
What I hadn't considered is that the OP wanted to listen for en-route information - I have only flown ACARS equipped aircraft for the last twelve years, so the question didn't occur to me. The answer to that is that you will have to get the approach plates out and have a look. If you're considering it as an en-route alternate then I expect you will have them on board. Alternatively, get the Flight Supplement out and have a look at the list of ATISs available in the MET section. It lists them all for you region with the frequencies - and mentions the VOR ident from which they are being broadcast.
Small apology- but only a very small one!
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Cur Richard, Dan W had the generosity to offer a small apology....he failed to RTFQ, just as you did too!
Dan's eyesight may not be as good as it once was, but this is probably related to to the experience he has gained as a result of age.
In respect of you though, I don't think that there is either a prognosis or excuse for pig ignorance!
Dan's eyesight may not be as good as it once was, but this is probably related to to the experience he has gained as a result of age.
In respect of you though, I don't think that there is either a prognosis or excuse for pig ignorance!
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It is very unfortunate that certain posters choose to attack those who try to answer the question rather than providing useful information themselves.
nitpicker330 you appear to be familiar with Melbourne and Sydney so an examination of the en-route chart, AU(LO)6 for example, will show that the YMML ATIS is broadcast on 114.1 and 132.7, 114.1 being the ML VOR frequency. Conversely Essendon and Moorabbin use 119.8 and 120.9 VHF Com frequencies. Moving further North, Canberra has 116.7 and 127.45. Coffs Harbour 117.0 and 130.3. etc. etc.
ALL this information is gleaned from the face of the en-route Jeppesen chart mentioned above and is printed close to the airfield in question. (the charts I have may be out of date). Charts from other suppliers may have a different way of displaying the required information.
A few airfields in EuroLand and South America transmit ATIS on VOR frequencies but this method is becoming increasingy rare in USA, I can see Baltimore, KBWI still uses 115.1 and 127.8
In answer to Dindon42's question, there is no obvious highlighting of VOR located ATIS transmissions, I am afraid you have to examine the small print close to the airfield VOR in question. With the proliferation of Smart Phones, Pads and Tablets, there are several APPS available for retrieving ATIS and NOTAM information before or during flight.
p.s. My attempt at sarcasm/irony in post #10 was obviously too subtle.
deefer dog, I feel that you should look in a good mirror for a fine example of
nitpicker330 you appear to be familiar with Melbourne and Sydney so an examination of the en-route chart, AU(LO)6 for example, will show that the YMML ATIS is broadcast on 114.1 and 132.7, 114.1 being the ML VOR frequency. Conversely Essendon and Moorabbin use 119.8 and 120.9 VHF Com frequencies. Moving further North, Canberra has 116.7 and 127.45. Coffs Harbour 117.0 and 130.3. etc. etc.
ALL this information is gleaned from the face of the en-route Jeppesen chart mentioned above and is printed close to the airfield in question. (the charts I have may be out of date). Charts from other suppliers may have a different way of displaying the required information.
A few airfields in EuroLand and South America transmit ATIS on VOR frequencies but this method is becoming increasingy rare in USA, I can see Baltimore, KBWI still uses 115.1 and 127.8
In answer to Dindon42's question, there is no obvious highlighting of VOR located ATIS transmissions, I am afraid you have to examine the small print close to the airfield VOR in question. With the proliferation of Smart Phones, Pads and Tablets, there are several APPS available for retrieving ATIS and NOTAM information before or during flight.
p.s. My attempt at sarcasm/irony in post #10 was obviously too subtle.
deefer dog, I feel that you should look in a good mirror for a fine example of
pig ignorance!
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bubbers44:
That is interesting. 116.6 is not listed on any of the Jepp or FAA charts for the airport but the A/FD does show it. Not on the FAA en route LO chart either.
Westchester Co, NY on 116.6 but also ATIS is on 133.8. I cheated and googled it. I have never been there.
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HI, I think you can only really know if you look at an aproach chart. / or on a sectional chart(vfr)...indeed on a sectional chart there is a freq chart for controlled airports on the side of the chart. And yes the fellow who said that the JEPP enroute charts (low at least) have controlled freqs including atis on the chart front is quite right.
an "A" on the side of the vor box, upper right corner, may mean AWOS is available...but that isn't atis.
UNDERLINE of a freq on a sectional chart means NO VOICE on this freq.
just for additional information. by the way...it is always a good idea to have sectional or wac charts with you while IFR just in case you lose everything having then to use pilotage.
San Francisco has ATIS on a couple of VOR's...as planes are coming in from over the ocean and are in range of the VORs before the com range ATIS.
We must remember ancient days when one didn't have the luxury of many radios and one could listen on the VOR while still listening to ATC on com...hourly wx broadcasts too...we used to call them Aviation Sequence Reports.
wow have things changed...Ihate even calling them METARS now.
an "A" on the side of the vor box, upper right corner, may mean AWOS is available...but that isn't atis.
UNDERLINE of a freq on a sectional chart means NO VOICE on this freq.
just for additional information. by the way...it is always a good idea to have sectional or wac charts with you while IFR just in case you lose everything having then to use pilotage.
San Francisco has ATIS on a couple of VOR's...as planes are coming in from over the ocean and are in range of the VORs before the com range ATIS.
We must remember ancient days when one didn't have the luxury of many radios and one could listen on the VOR while still listening to ATC on com...hourly wx broadcasts too...we used to call them Aviation Sequence Reports.
wow have things changed...Ihate even calling them METARS now.
Last edited by sevenstrokeroll; 20th January 2013 at 14:38.
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116.6
Well, to be annoyingly nitpicky, that is the Carmel CMK VOR and it is not co-located at HPN. Not that such was a requirement of the OP. The Andrews AFB VOR is co-located and is the only ATIS source available for that field.
My apologies.
My apologies.
Last edited by AviatorTB; 20th January 2013 at 15:12.