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Spandex, I guess this could go on forever so maybe we should just say "use your own judgement on what flap setting you want as long as it is legal and safe". It would be nice if you didn't PO your FO if he didn't do something the same way you would safely. I always let them because they are going to be in my seat soon and hopefully when they get there they won't act like you do. Have a nice life.
You seem to think you have some mystical insight into my operating style. Why do you think my FOs are POd? Where did I even hint, let alone state, that I wouldn't allow them to do so? Finally, how do I act on the flight deck?
Come on, just some irrefutable proof for your statements is all I ask. I won't hold my breath though because you ain't got any. Just silly attempts at put downs.
Still think most people agree with you?
You've still not answered any questions put to you since you stated:
Anything to say about that now?
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I turned in all my books 9 years ago but recall flaps 25 for an overweight landing and 15 for single engine approach, otherwise 30. We were also 767 qualified so with no books am unable to research it. I always landed flaps 30 even at the special airports we had. TGU was the most restrictive airport our airline flew into in Honduras and I chose that one because it was a lot of fun and challenging. TGU made number one of the most dangerous airports in the world to fly into with a jet airliner on a TV show.
If you want to see my retirement flight in 2003 go to Flightlevel350.com: Free Aviation Videos, Airplane Videos and Cockpit Videos and search MHTG. I am the 7th video down. We couldn't return with an engine failure because flaps 15 wouldn't give us enough runway. It had 5400 ft useable. We had to use a military base 30 miles away if necessary.
You probably aren't what you project yourself as so will give you a break. We all just want to retire and go fishing.
If you want to see my retirement flight in 2003 go to Flightlevel350.com: Free Aviation Videos, Airplane Videos and Cockpit Videos and search MHTG. I am the 7th video down. We couldn't return with an engine failure because flaps 15 wouldn't give us enough runway. It had 5400 ft useable. We had to use a military base 30 miles away if necessary.
You probably aren't what you project yourself as so will give you a break. We all just want to retire and go fishing.
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first off, I know bubbers 44...and in the small world of aviation, internet and the like, to find someone WHO knows someone I KNOW and knew about his flying business and could only learn it while flying with him at AIR cal and later on American...i am convinced that bubbers knows his stuff and his a real airline pilot.
and yes, if you want to fool around and use another flap setting, go right ahead...some of you will do fine...others may go off the end of the runway, prang your tail, or your nosewheel...and I only hope it goes on YOUTUBE so I can see it.
and for those flying little planes, do what you like...you probably won't die...too much.
but spandex..you have a real 'tude about you...and I love it, cuz it proves to me that i was right about those BA guys flying their 747 from LAX to whoops almost london on three engines...yup...couldn't make it all the way.
and PRUNE>..do what you like...make my day...and overcome warp drag if you can.
and yes, if you want to fool around and use another flap setting, go right ahead...some of you will do fine...others may go off the end of the runway, prang your tail, or your nosewheel...and I only hope it goes on YOUTUBE so I can see it.
and for those flying little planes, do what you like...you probably won't die...too much.
but spandex..you have a real 'tude about you...and I love it, cuz it proves to me that i was right about those BA guys flying their 747 from LAX to whoops almost london on three engines...yup...couldn't make it all the way.
and PRUNE>..do what you like...make my day...and overcome warp drag if you can.
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Bubbers, enjoy your fishing.
SSR,
Nobody has suggested otherwise so what are you waffling, in poor English, about?
It's not fooling around if it's an approved setting. Just because there are pilots in this world who are comfortable and experienced with both doesn't mean it's wrong or dangerous or even slightly risky. If you can't be flexible, adaptable or capable enough to use both then don't. Fine.
What?! Irrelevance follows irrelevance. Did you forget your pills today? Again WTF are you on?
SSR,
i am convinced that bubbers knows his stuff and his a real airline pilot.
and yes, if you want to fool around and use another flap setting
but spandex..you have a real 'tude about you...and I love it, cuz it proves to me that i was right about those BA guys flying their 747 from LAX to whoops almost london on three engines...yup...couldn't make it all the way.
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TGU was the most restrictive airport our airline flew into in Honduras
But I cheated, we could still go flaps 40 if we, the PIC, deemed it necessary.
And there, I did.
We carried a little crescent wrench in the FE table, couple of turns, off came the flaps 40 blocking pin.
Interesting place, Tagup was.
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con-pilot: So did I. That 727-100 had nose wheel brakes but we couldn't land to the south because of go around performance. The 757 could. What a great airport. I loved it and the people. Over 600 landings, all with zero problem. Watch my video to remember how fun it was.
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Over 600 landings, all with zero problem
I probably only had about a dozen, it was not one of our regular runs, only went there a few times a year and I wasn't on all of them. The nose brakes had been removed on all three of our 727s. Never got to spend the night there. The trips were all straight down there, then deadhead home.
The other two places I would use flaps 40 was SBA and EYW. We would use those airports when Vandenberg AFB and Navy Key West were closed.
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Yes Bubbers that was a typo, well not even a typo more of an autocorrect that wasn't correct. Well done for picking it out.
I'm talking about SSRs first paragraph. Incomprehensible and poor grammar and I still don't understand it after the tenth attempt. The last part I did understand despite the typo that I didn't even see the first time.
Maybe you could also translate his very last sentence.
I'm talking about SSRs first paragraph. Incomprehensible and poor grammar and I still don't understand it after the tenth attempt. The last part I did understand despite the typo that I didn't even see the first time.
Maybe you could also translate his very last sentence.
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thats all fantastic gents , i highly enjoy the reading from all this highly experienced veterans being here.
superb landing, good job ! i looked hard to see you, but damn, i saw only a plane landing and filmed by a spotter like thousands filmed every day.
nevertheless- may i also share my flapless landings with you ?
visit YouTube
search "sts128"
i,m the 7th video below, like you was in your link.
see- no tailstrike , no nosewheel , no floating, no engines spool up. but we also were limited in our go around performance.
cheers gents !
[If you want to see my retirement flight in 2003 go to Flightlevel350.com: Free Aviation Videos, Airplane Videos and Cockpit Videos and search MHTG. I am the 7th video down. We couldn't return with an engine failure because flaps 15 wouldn't give us enough runway. It had 5400 ft useable. We had to use a military base 30 miles away if necessary.
nevertheless- may i also share my flapless landings with you ?
visit YouTube
search "sts128"
i,m the 7th video below, like you was in your link.
see- no tailstrike , no nosewheel , no floating, no engines spool up. but we also were limited in our go around performance.
cheers gents !
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Look for the video out the front of a 757 cockpit window filmed by my friend who retired as a check airman the same month and we went with him going to Madrid two weeks earlier. Maybe it shifted to seventh spot or close to it.
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I will translate for you , old boy
but spandex..you have a real 'tude about you...and I love it, cuz it
proves to me that i was right about those BA guys flying their 747 from
LAX to whoops almost london on three engines...yup...couldn't make it
all the way.
THE ABOVE IS SIMPLY PUT SAYING THAT YOU ARE QUEEN OF BRITISH PILOTS>>>AND THAT MAKES ME HAPPY...I used to think British Pilots were of the Hurricane mold...but you are of the mold of flying the atlantic on 3 engines when you are equipped with 4.
and PRUNE>..do what you like...make my day...and overcome warp drag if
you can.
AND THIS MAKES ME REALLY HAPPY...IT MEANS I DON'T CARE WHAT THE PPRUNE MODERATORS DO...AND WARP DRAG...THIS PROVES TO ME THAT YOU HAVE ALOT TO LEARN...THE WRIGHT BROTHERS KNEW WHAT THIS WAS...ITS THE SAME AS ADVERSE AILERON YAW...(DRAG WHEN AILERON OR IN THE WRIGHT'S CASE, WING WARPING WAS USED)
SPANDEX...CHEAR UP...FLYING IS FOR THE BIRDS
proves to me that i was right about those BA guys flying their 747 from
LAX to whoops almost london on three engines...yup...couldn't make it
all the way.
THE ABOVE IS SIMPLY PUT SAYING THAT YOU ARE QUEEN OF BRITISH PILOTS>>>AND THAT MAKES ME HAPPY...I used to think British Pilots were of the Hurricane mold...but you are of the mold of flying the atlantic on 3 engines when you are equipped with 4.
and PRUNE>..do what you like...make my day...and overcome warp drag if
you can.
AND THIS MAKES ME REALLY HAPPY...IT MEANS I DON'T CARE WHAT THE PPRUNE MODERATORS DO...AND WARP DRAG...THIS PROVES TO ME THAT YOU HAVE ALOT TO LEARN...THE WRIGHT BROTHERS KNEW WHAT THIS WAS...ITS THE SAME AS ADVERSE AILERON YAW...(DRAG WHEN AILERON OR IN THE WRIGHT'S CASE, WING WARPING WAS USED)
SPANDEX...CHEAR UP...FLYING IS FOR THE BIRDS
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As for your private message to me questioning whether anyone was actually ignoring your posts....it appears that many are now judging by page 4 so far. Lets all do this on PPrune.
Too bad, you do have some knowledge but ruin your ability to pass it on to others by your awful personality. I hope you are not an instructor.
I suggest you read Mr. Tullamarine's posts on how behave in a manner deserving of respect. Likely too late I always remain hopeful.
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Gosh, 4 pages of chest thumping...I know better than you...
FWIW, this is straight out of my B777 FCTM..latest revision..and is identical to the same passage in the 757/767 FCTM.
Last time I looked
FWIW, this is straight out of my B777 FCTM..latest revision..and is identical to the same passage in the 757/767 FCTM.
Flap Setting for Landing
For normal landings, use flaps 25 or flaps 30. When conditions permit, use flaps 30 to minimize landing speed, and landing distance. Flaps 25 provides better noise abatement and reduced flap wear/loads.
Note: Runwaylength and condition must be taken into account when selecting a landing flap position.
For normal landings, use flaps 25 or flaps 30. When conditions permit, use flaps 30 to minimize landing speed, and landing distance. Flaps 25 provides better noise abatement and reduced flap wear/loads.
Note: Runwaylength and condition must be taken into account when selecting a landing flap position.
Some pretty amazing posts 
F25 or 30 as has been stated numerous times are approved flap settings
on the 75 / 67.
There's about 3 knots difference in approach speeds, not an issue on most runways !
F25 gives you considerably better controllability in the 757 with gusty winds, that wing has so much lift already you don't need it all on a blowy day.
It's also quieter and uses less fuel.
Why do you think Boeing installed it ?!
F25 or 30 as has been stated numerous times are approved flap settings
on the 75 / 67.
There's about 3 knots difference in approach speeds, not an issue on most runways !
F25 gives you considerably better controllability in the 757 with gusty winds, that wing has so much lift already you don't need it all on a blowy day.
It's also quieter and uses less fuel.
Why do you think Boeing installed it ?!
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Too right stilton.
I have to say I think LSM has spoken the most sense.
Flap 25 is a perfectly normal flap setting (20 for S/E by the way!). Some companies specify its use as part of fuel saving measures, we don't (yet). I generally use it in gusty conditions and heavy weight as with a Vref30+20kts you can get very close to your flap limit speed of 162kts (752).
Anyway enough of this.......anyone seen my video of when I......
I have to say I think LSM has spoken the most sense.
Flap 25 is a perfectly normal flap setting (20 for S/E by the way!). Some companies specify its use as part of fuel saving measures, we don't (yet). I generally use it in gusty conditions and heavy weight as with a Vref30+20kts you can get very close to your flap limit speed of 162kts (752).
Anyway enough of this.......anyone seen my video of when I......