SAAB's new turboprop
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Heard that a South Korean company is willing to share development risk and to me it seems a perfect match considering the ambitions to enter the global market. see samsung vs. apple etc
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I am swedish myself and as such I know my own language...
Acc. some german Dudes in an unlighted aviation hazard I got to proof that I can speak german (German national, born in Germany to German parents)...despite the fact that I own a German radio certificate that states that I can do radio in German and English. Following the English level 4/5/6 joke a few years ago...
Sorry for OffT.
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love logging in and seeing a post "mature" from a serious discussion to the airbenders, firebenders... makes my day guys! 
anyways, had to post on this one as the OLD Saab cars were good, untill they went japanes and chinese and !!!!!. But... here me this, how in hell's sake is Saab thinking af just "designing" another TP when they have been out of it for more then a decade and can't even sell their prized fighter jet abroad anymore....ooohhh
I knows, they are now going to sell of everything with the aircraft, making one big splash (with the chinese or anyone interested in their now rapidly becoming outdated fighter jet technology) and then go bust, at least that department, as all the good old trustworthy companies are doing because the managers there are becoming so overly distressed with their appalling remunerations and rather just...move on to another company to disect.
of course I could be wrong... terribly wrong... but it would be one of my ways of saving the day
anyways, had to post on this one as the OLD Saab cars were good, untill they went japanes and chinese and !!!!!. But... here me this, how in hell's sake is Saab thinking af just "designing" another TP when they have been out of it for more then a decade and can't even sell their prized fighter jet abroad anymore....ooohhh
I knows, they are now going to sell of everything with the aircraft, making one big splash (with the chinese or anyone interested in their now rapidly becoming outdated fighter jet technology) and then go bust, at least that department, as all the good old trustworthy companies are doing because the managers there are becoming so overly distressed with their appalling remunerations and rather just...move on to another company to disect. of course I could be wrong... terribly wrong... but it would be one of my ways of saving the day
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The company that makes SAAB cars and SAABs defence and aerospace corporation are two completly separate entities, and have been that way for some time. Sales at SAAB are regular and the Swiss signed up for new Gripens late last year so that program is still paying off.
The last statement from SAAB regarding the turboprop project was that it was going to be a joint venture with an un-named indian corporation. The aircraft will not be a new design but it also will not be the same aircraft production restarted. This lends to the idea that it will be a S2000 modified airframe with new technology.
The whole project may rest on whether SAAB wins the Indian MRMR contract.
The last statement from SAAB regarding the turboprop project was that it was going to be a joint venture with an un-named indian corporation. The aircraft will not be a new design but it also will not be the same aircraft production restarted. This lends to the idea that it will be a S2000 modified airframe with new technology.
The whole project may rest on whether SAAB wins the Indian MRMR contract.
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Have been apart but still swedish company's of origin, except the cars devision sold out long ago already. No transfer of technology with the product, no sell. Every fighter producer has/is selling the technology with it in the package. Saab's selling but nobody's buying. The Greens or nationalists are pushing for some 10 advanced variants but news abound that if there are no sales the days are numbered. That's the automobile devision and fighter jet devision, now on to the commercial aviation devision...
Selling to India or a cooperation? They are building/going to build a "new" aircraft but with selling of the technology or else it would just design and build them themselves and fly them over. Investments are also say in the company. Just like Airbus has to build it's aircraft in China, it goes along with the (unwanted?) transfer of technology so that in time they can build them themselves. They have the cheaper labour, the means/ infrastructure and at last the technology to do it.
Selling to India or a cooperation? They are building/going to build a "new" aircraft but with selling of the technology or else it would just design and build them themselves and fly them over. Investments are also say in the company. Just like Airbus has to build it's aircraft in China, it goes along with the (unwanted?) transfer of technology so that in time they can build them themselves. They have the cheaper labour, the means/ infrastructure and at last the technology to do it.
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Well, at least Saab are considering getting back into civil aircraft manufacturing unlike their UK equivalent. BAE inherited pretty much all of the UK's civil aviation manufacturing heritage (other than Shorts and Britten-Norman) and rather than exploit this leadership position by developing new market-oriented products, they proceeded to invest the absolute minimum to warm over legacy regional and corporate aircraft in order to string them out for a few more years, then terminate them or flog them off (125). To complete their masterplan they then flogged off their (the country's) share of Airbus and exited civil aircraft manufacture to focus on the military. All this at a time when most observers could see that civil aviation was booming with huge regional and corporate opportunities being exploited by Embraer, Bombardier, ATR and others and with record large aircraft production rates being achieved. All the while military budgets were being continuously slashed! Smart or what?!
And now back to the topic . . .
And now back to the topic . . .
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From: London
today's "Flight":-
"SAAB dismisses return to building civil turboprops"
it's pretty clear
"The company....insists Saab is not aiming to go back into producing commercial aircraft"
"The airframer says it still intends to sell all the Saab 340 & 2000 turboprops it owns to concentrate on its core business"
"SAAB dismisses return to building civil turboprops"
it's pretty clear
"The company....insists Saab is not aiming to go back into producing commercial aircraft"
"The airframer says it still intends to sell all the Saab 340 & 2000 turboprops it owns to concentrate on its core business"
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such a shame.
That Eastern Airways Saab 2000 in BA colours does look good - even better seeing the actual aeroplane with your own eyes. See it in the Isle of Man and i thought it looks great.
Interesting to see what operators of the 340 will do in future with the aeroplanes getting older and nothing new in the 30-40 seater market available to replace them.
That Eastern Airways Saab 2000 in BA colours does look good - even better seeing the actual aeroplane with your own eyes. See it in the Isle of Man and i thought it looks great.
Interesting to see what operators of the 340 will do in future with the aeroplanes getting older and nothing new in the 30-40 seater market available to replace them.
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Harry,
I haven't been able to locate the story you have quoted. Would you be able to insert the full text from "Flight" of what has been said, including details of the Saab spokesperson and any journalist that may have been involved in the piece.
What you have quoted seems to be at odds with the recent public statements of both S.A.L. and Saab AB in this regard and it would be interesting to read the full article to understand any contextual references associated with any clear decision(s).
Many thanks.
I haven't been able to locate the story you have quoted. Would you be able to insert the full text from "Flight" of what has been said, including details of the Saab spokesperson and any journalist that may have been involved in the piece.
What you have quoted seems to be at odds with the recent public statements of both S.A.L. and Saab AB in this regard and it would be interesting to read the full article to understand any contextual references associated with any clear decision(s).
Many thanks.
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Sorry _ I don't have the time but it's on Page 13 of the 28 Aug- 3rd Sept edition - the one with "Ascent of Airbus" on the cover
Refers to Company spokesman, the Company etc etc and has words in quotes so I think we can take it as official
the journo was David Kaminski-Morrow in their London office
I suppose they have only ruled out CIVIL turboprops but really it looks as if they will re-manufacture older planes for any military contract - they have 82 leased out
Refers to Company spokesman, the Company etc etc and has words in quotes so I think we can take it as official
the journo was David Kaminski-Morrow in their London office
I suppose they have only ruled out CIVIL turboprops but really it looks as if they will re-manufacture older planes for any military contract - they have 82 leased out
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About 3 years ago SAABs management made a statement that they would never return to civil aircraft manufacturing. Then this year they suddenly about face and state that they had been looking at it for 2 years.
Now they turn around and say its off the table again.
What it seems like is that the ATR sales spurred them into seeing if they could get significant interest in something civil and it just isn't there in the numbers they are seeking, so back to the shelf. By the vague nature of their comments I don't think they actually had a product in mind whether it be a 90 seater or S2000 re-born.
A number of other economic factors currently would limit any sales, primarily due to economic slow down, poor airline financial support and the price of oil not hitting the highs it was expected to get to.
A new (or updated) aircraft in the 20-50 seat bracket is needed but there just isn't the cash out there to justify it.
Now they turn around and say its off the table again.
What it seems like is that the ATR sales spurred them into seeing if they could get significant interest in something civil and it just isn't there in the numbers they are seeking, so back to the shelf. By the vague nature of their comments I don't think they actually had a product in mind whether it be a 90 seater or S2000 re-born.
A number of other economic factors currently would limit any sales, primarily due to economic slow down, poor airline financial support and the price of oil not hitting the highs it was expected to get to.
A new (or updated) aircraft in the 20-50 seat bracket is needed but there just isn't the cash out there to justify it.
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Saab Aircraft intends to develop a complete new fighter the Gripen E/F. They have a tentative agreement with Switzerland who will buy a whopping number of 22 aircraft for 3.1 Mio US$. Sweden will commit probably to an order of 40 to max. 60 planes. Saab toutes this in recent advertisements in Switzerland as " the most advanced fighter ". Originally planned to fly in 2015 the service date entry is now postponed to 2023.
I doubt that Saab will have the financial strength to survive this adventure and simultaneously develop/upgrade a new commuter aircraft. This segment is the only shrinking segment in air travel and the current Embraer/Bombardier/ATR will be challenged by new entrants like the Chinese ARJ, the Russion Superjet and eventually the Mitsubishi regional jet ( which is heavy loaded with government subsidiaries, that it might never take off ). Add to this lofty plans in India and Korea. Never try to catch a falling knife!
I have done numerous Crossair flight in the 340 and in the 2000. I must admit that I never felt comfortable in it ( maybe Crossair
was part of it )
I doubt that Saab will have the financial strength to survive this adventure and simultaneously develop/upgrade a new commuter aircraft. This segment is the only shrinking segment in air travel and the current Embraer/Bombardier/ATR will be challenged by new entrants like the Chinese ARJ, the Russion Superjet and eventually the Mitsubishi regional jet ( which is heavy loaded with government subsidiaries, that it might never take off ). Add to this lofty plans in India and Korea. Never try to catch a falling knife!
I have done numerous Crossair flight in the 340 and in the 2000. I must admit that I never felt comfortable in it ( maybe Crossair
was part of it )