Carriage of aircraft documents
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Carriage of aircraft documents
I need to ferry an aircraft to a new owner but seem to recall that the log books are not allowed to be carried in the aircraft - can someone point me at where this is specified? (I've looked through the ANO without success.)
I'm interested in whether it would be acceptable to have them in a fire-proof box, or if there's another way to have them on board.
HFD
I'm interested in whether it would be acceptable to have them in a fire-proof box, or if there's another way to have them on board.
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Are you asking about your own pilot logbooks? Or, the airplane's?
pilot logbook: haven't seen any regulation preventing them from being on board. however, i wouldn't personally carry them along in my flights just in case,,
airplane logbook: it should be on board all the time.
pilot logbook: haven't seen any regulation preventing them from being on board. however, i wouldn't personally carry them along in my flights just in case,,
airplane logbook: it should be on board all the time.
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I'm interested in whether it would be acceptable to have them in a fire-proof box,
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Certainly whenever I go flying all the docs are left in the clubhouse.
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Thanks folks, it's the aircraft logs (airframe, engine, propellor) that I'm interested in. Can someone point me at where it's stated that they can't be on board?
Ref other docs: there's a bit of misinformation in the replies. The ANO states: "If the flight is intended to begin and end at the same aerodrome and does not include passage over the territory of any country other than the United Kingdom, the documents may be kept at that aerodrome instead of being carried in the aircraft." See para 86 for more info.
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Ref other docs: there's a bit of misinformation in the replies. The ANO states: "If the flight is intended to begin and end at the same aerodrome and does not include passage over the territory of any country other than the United Kingdom, the documents may be kept at that aerodrome instead of being carried in the aircraft." See para 86 for more info.
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Aircraft logs are maintenance records that MUST be kept - see Annex 6 Part I subsection 8.4. See also ICAO Doc 9760 AN/967 Airworthiness Manual Volume I regarding record-keeping (which includes maintenance records referred to in Annex 6).
6.8.4 Record-keeping
6.8.4.5 Maintenance records should be kept in such a way that they are protected from hazards such as fire, flood, theft or alteration.
I'm not an engineer, but I'd think that carrying the maintenance records onboard the aircraft to which they belong is (probably) going to expose them to hazards.
Any other 'takes' on hugh's problem?
Aircraft logs are maintenance records that MUST be kept - see Annex 6 Part I subsection 8.4. See also ICAO Doc 9760 AN/967 Airworthiness Manual Volume I regarding record-keeping (which includes maintenance records referred to in Annex 6).
6.8.4 Record-keeping
6.8.4.5 Maintenance records should be kept in such a way that they are protected from hazards such as fire, flood, theft or alteration.
I'm not an engineer, but I'd think that carrying the maintenance records onboard the aircraft to which they belong is (probably) going to expose them to hazards.
Any other 'takes' on hugh's problem?
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Tech Log, Maintenance Log, Pilot Log
I don't know of any reg that either requires or prohibits the carrying of the maintenance logs (I'm not talking about the aircraft Tech Log.) on board the aircraft when the aircraft is going to fly. I may be ignorant. However, I've always considered it 'not a good idea' to carrry these legal documents on the aircraft during flight.
In the past, what I've done, is to FedEx (I'm not doing an ad for FedEx here in PPrune.) the maintenance logs to my destination. Maybe send them the day before my flight...so they arrive close to the time of my arrival. That way, these legal documents are protected from the crash of said aircraft. It's expensive to do this, but a good idea.
The main problem is the loss of these important records in the event of a crash. The investigating authorities will not have available important histories for accident investigation.
Sorry I cannot quote any regulation pro or con.
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In the past, what I've done, is to FedEx (I'm not doing an ad for FedEx here in PPrune.) the maintenance logs to my destination. Maybe send them the day before my flight...so they arrive close to the time of my arrival. That way, these legal documents are protected from the crash of said aircraft. It's expensive to do this, but a good idea.
The main problem is the loss of these important records in the event of a crash. The investigating authorities will not have available important histories for accident investigation.
Sorry I cannot quote any regulation pro or con.
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