Airline JAA Logbook Entry
SkyWave and Mr. B, I'm afraid you're showing your ages!
It does however appear that I referenced an old source. I'm just starting in the airline world and have been searching for an answer to the IF question, and everyone you ask has a different opinion. I've searched all previous pprune threads and the posters can never agree. I should really have gone straight to JAA-FCL1 in the first place.
I will therefore elect to go with JAA-FCL 1.080 and await a training captain to tell me that I'm doing it wrong, however the way I read this it doesn't look like use of the remarks column is optional. Therefore should we be logging actual instrument time in the remarks column and IFR time in the operating conditions column?
(v) A remarks column will be provided to give details of specific functions e.g. SPIC, PICUS, instrument flight time*, etc.
* A pilot may log as instrument flight time only that time during which he
operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments, under actual or
simulated instrument flight conditions
* A pilot may log as instrument flight time only that time during which he
operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments, under actual or
simulated instrument flight conditions
JAA-FCL 1.080 part (b) section (5) Doesn't really make sense anyway because it states that operating conditions should be recorded (i)Night, (ii)IFR, yet IFR is not an operating condition, it is a set of rules, IMC however is an operating condition as is night. I think I'm more confused than when I started.
(5) Operational conditions:
(i) Night
(ii) IFR
(i) Night
(ii) IFR
Can airline pilots in the JAA world confirm that they log the full block to block time as IFR in the operating conditions column regardless of whether they are PF or PM? Do you guys n girls just not bother recording time that you are in actual IMC?
Having read Mr B's last post and the JAA definition of IFR conditions, surely we should only be recording actual IMC time in the Operating Conditions Column?
(5) Operational conditions:
(i) Night
(ii) IFR
(i) Night
(ii) IFR
‘IFR conditions’ means weather conditions below the minimum for flight under visual flight rules
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It's all fairly academic anyway apart from the first couple of years of your career. Once you've got the ATPL issued there is nothing (in JAR or FAA lands) that actually hinges on time spent flying IF or IFR or in IMC. So I just leave my electronic logbook in its default setting of recording all flight time as IFR and in the last 10,000 hours nobody's asked about it.
Sky Wave,
I think you have pinpointed it with your last post - if the EASA definition of ‘IFR conditions’ is as it says it is, then it really should be an IF or IMC column, not IFR, in the JAR logbook. That then would make the recording of IF in the remarks column unnecessary.
Told you this Eurocrat bollocks is precisely that - BOLLOCKS!
I think you have pinpointed it with your last post - if the EASA definition of ‘IFR conditions’ is as it says it is, then it really should be an IF or IMC column, not IFR, in the JAR logbook. That then would make the recording of IF in the remarks column unnecessary.
Told you this Eurocrat bollocks is precisely that - BOLLOCKS!
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I agree with MrBernoulli vbmenu_register("postmenu_3187725", true);
I operate under my JAA licence on the B737,and I only log the time IF when its my sector and I am manipulating the controls in IF conditions.
So in gereral terms I am always logging less than 50% of the total block time as IF.
The same applies when I am operating under my Australian licence flying in Australia.
There is really no point in logging all your block time as IF. Makes no sense at all.
I operate under my JAA licence on the B737,and I only log the time IF when its my sector and I am manipulating the controls in IF conditions.
So in gereral terms I am always logging less than 50% of the total block time as IF.
The same applies when I am operating under my Australian licence flying in Australia.
There is really no point in logging all your block time as IF. Makes no sense at all.
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Martinis
Fatter Bastard, and Dear Chaps (that's right - about 85 % of you are British I'm afraid…It does explain the impeccable language, excellent humour, and unfortunately the insensible bickering on this site - only you Brits can do it…)
I must admit I especially loved Mr Clarence Oveur’s comment to Mr. Bernoulli -It was exquisitely amusing, you nailed the coffin there partner!!
A bit on the side, although very important (to my Norwegian standards at least...):
Sir Winston meant that it was enough for his bottle of Gin to be standing next to your Noilly-Prat in order to call it a Dry Martini.
Personally, I put in some Noilly-Prat, stir the glass vigorously, and then pour the Vermouth out again. The Bombay Sapphire then goes in and garnish with one Olive. Hopefully after that, you fellows can stop this meaningless discussion and continue to enjoy life.
Life’s in the aviation business is way too short to drink weak and poorly made Martinis.
Sauter (Norwegian Hedonist)
I must admit I especially loved Mr Clarence Oveur’s comment to Mr. Bernoulli -It was exquisitely amusing, you nailed the coffin there partner!!
A bit on the side, although very important (to my Norwegian standards at least...):
Sir Winston meant that it was enough for his bottle of Gin to be standing next to your Noilly-Prat in order to call it a Dry Martini.
Personally, I put in some Noilly-Prat, stir the glass vigorously, and then pour the Vermouth out again. The Bombay Sapphire then goes in and garnish with one Olive. Hopefully after that, you fellows can stop this meaningless discussion and continue to enjoy life.
Life’s in the aviation business is way too short to drink weak and poorly made Martinis.
Sauter (Norwegian Hedonist)
