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Old 14th Sep 2006, 16:33
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Of course we can just blame the French for writing things this way
No we can't. In my country (not France) MEL is approved by legal authorities.
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Agent 1 u/s,

both Cargo Compartments must be empty.
That is exactly the same as the MEL note says. The MEL note just covers more failure scenarios than Bottle 1 U/S.

When comparing MELs from different companies, be aware that a MEL is a tailored document. There can be differences from company to company.
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Originally Posted by Techman
That is exactly the same as the MEL note says.

When comparing MELs from different companies, be aware that a MEL is a tailored document. There can be differences from company to company.
1. Sorry, I'm only a commercial pilot
2. Yes, I know
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And I'm only a Flight- and Ground-Engineer.

Does your company have a MEL course? Or is it learning as you go along?
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Does your company have a MEL course?
No, unfortunatly my company is a Timbutku based LCC an I have to pump up the tires before each flight.
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I thought it was a reasonable question. But if that is how you want to play it then I'm out.
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Old 15th Sep 2006, 01:33
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No we can't. In my country (not France) MEL is approved by legal authorities.
Just for the record CASA don’t approve anything, they accept it. A very big difference in the legal world and all the consequences that go along with it if something should go wrong.

As far as I’m aware and Spannersatcx can verify this, the Hong Kong CAD approves all our “CX’s” manuals which in most part are a direct copy of the originals from Airbus with only minor variations because of local regulations.
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Cool

Quite right, normally the aircraft manufacturer will compile an M(aster)MEL, this will be ratified by the National Authority, the CAA, HKCAD, CASA. The NAA then issues a MMEL list for a/c types.

The MMEL can be added to by the operator (with authority and ratification by the NAA) but can not be reduced in content, or the NAA.

Essentially what you should see is an MEL produced by Boeing or Airbus added to by the NAA or operator so in essence every airlines MEL should look the same except for certain peculiarities to that airline.

In HKG CX wanted to reduce the time limit for D category items, 120 day time limit to 60 days, which it did with authority and approval from the NAA. We wouldn't of been able to increase it from 120 days though as this would be a reduction of the MMEL and not an addition.

We have also where MEL's are confusing/grey! areas changed the 'notes' etc to be more explanatory.

At the end of the day if you're not happy or are confused about the MEL then you don't have to take the a/c, of course I will pass you a mobile to call the powers that be as it's now not a Tech delay but an operational one

Having read, used and interpreted MEL's for a number of years now, I always read it twice, looking for the and/or's/but's and maybe's, first to understand it secondly how to get around it. It's suprising what difference one little word makes.
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