Comed Blackpool
 

Rumour control tells me Comed will be started from next week with the flying school and all approvals including the very much sought after TRTO, The Bar, The Maintenance and even an E110 Operation initially with a freight contract bur a pax one very soon.

A deal has been struck with the major creditor Blackpool Airport and even the impounded Banderiante together with all the privatly owned aircraft will be released.

Can any one out there enlighten me further, and if the above is true well done to Mr M!

believe this to be so. can't say i'm pleased for him - will he be paying back all the people he owes first and foremost ?

He we go again eh, Sounds like another dodgy plan to me. He'd be better of selling second hand cars.

Forgive my ignorance but what is "TRTO" ?

Cheers
Foo

TRTO stands for Typr rating Training Organisation, Comed aviation held the only E110 Type rating centre in Europe

Second-hand car dealers are more trustworthy. Get your money up front if you deal with Comedy Airlines.

Best of luck,Murgy!
Just make sure that you dont make the same mistake of employing the same bunch of lame brained,bitching,moaning,back stabbing,incompetant combination of"has-beens"and"never-going-to be´s"!!!!
Rob,for the sake of your reputation,pay realistic salaries(not peanuts),dont treat your staff like s*"#,stay away from the blondies and BE VERY CAREFUL who you employ!!You once told me when you were an AFI at Keith Whyams that"You get what you pay for!" Here endeth the sermon.
Best of luck,mate and I ll catch up with you for a beer when I m back in the UK.
Pontious
P.S. I think you should sell the beach back to Inglis.

Hey Martin,
Me-LR35
NR-Britannia 757
MD-Sabre/Exel 737 NG
DM-BMC EMB145
RW-BE Dash 8
AC-BE Dash 8
DB-BE200
RT-Emerald 748
PW-Emerald 748
JC-BE200
Does that make us has beens or never gonna bes?

Ps, We are organizing a BPL reunion shortly if you would care to join us.

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This outfit owes money to dozens of people on the Isle of Man who purchased tickets with debit cards or cash for services on Comed before they went belly up. A local ladies darts team, for example, paid nearly £1000 for a charter, the money readily being accepted by Comed hours before they ceased operations - what does that say to you about their business ethics. If this group are allowed to start again without paying these people back it will be an absolute disgrace.

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Purple pitot,
Nice to hear from you,and I´m pleased that you and most of the rest of the boys have gone on to MUCH better things,however my comments weren´t directed at the pilots,or in fact anyone within the airline.
I think everyone knows who the gossips are or were and that their poison and back stabbing didn´t help things along with other factors.You´´ve all done well take care and I ll see you around.
I´d love to meet up with you all for a beer,Mark.You can get my no. from Rae.Just let me know where and when the reunion is.


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Torquemada.
Nice comments where is all your information coming from?
Comed was stopped by the Blackpool Airport Management on 22 Feb 2001 due to an investor not coming up with the lolly (or so I am told)Jetstream operator on the routes with grant money from a local aid the following Monday (stinks or what?).Comed was run by one individual entreprenere who also enjoyed Flying like most of you who choose to slag him off, he is also out of work with like others a mortgage and a family to support, good luck to Mr M I wish him well and I would personaly like to see Comed rise from the ashes!Purple Pitot Comed has not gone belly up the Company is still in Administrive recievership.

I heard a nasty rumour that our illustrious former chief pilot is now flying for the same jetstream operator that helped screw us.

Relaunch, the investor you speak of is financially involved with the jetstream operator, and screwed us from the inside.

Robert, good luck, but listen to pontious and all the other good advise.

Purple Pitot.
Regretable NW now flies for Platinum as P1, however he also has bills to pay!
Have you any more information on the inside take over ?
I will pass your comments onto RM

Just a thought - perhaps if the person in charge had not allowed himself to get in so much financial difficulty in the first place, the "alleged" shafting by the Jetstream operator would never have happened. As an aside , the Jetstream operator certainly seems to offer a more professional, efficient and punctual service, and a return to late, unreliable noisy bandeirantes would on the face of it appear to be a retrograde step.

Relaunch, here is the article to which I refer - it is from the IOM Newspapers

DARTS TEAM LOSES CASH AFTER AIRLINE COLLAPSE


A WOMENS’ darts team is furious after losing almost £900 following the collapse of Blackpool airline Comed Aviation in February.
Members of the Christabels team from the Central Hotel in Peel chartered a flight at a cost of £89 each for Saturday, May 5 to take them on their annual weekend trip to England.

When they heard Comed had gone bust they contacted the airline only to be passed on to the receivers, who told them it was unlikely they’d ever see their cash again.

The team, which lies just below mid-table in the Ladies’ Western League, has since been making every effort to raise the £500 to cover the cost of taking the boat and a minibus in order to still have their weekend in Blackpool next month.

Team treasurer Joan Corkill has had a letter from the receivers.

She explained: ‘It basically said it isn’t likely that we will get anything back.

‘We feel that we have been ripped off. When we tried to book it Comed said they could not accept the booking without the money up front.

‘They must have known that things were bad but they were still taking bookings and we feel annoyed that if they knew they were going under why they were still prepared to take the money.’

Joan added: ‘We save our money through the year, putting some away each week. The weekend we wanted to go on the flight to Blackpool was booked up and someone suggested chartering a plane so that is what we did.’

Charles MacMillan of receiver BDO Stoy Hayward in Manchester said he was looking into the conduct of Comed’s directors.

He explained: ‘It is the receiver’s duty under statute to investigate the conduct of the directors and issue a report which has to be published within six months.

‘It is then up to the Department of Trade as to whether it wants to bring any action as a result of the report.’

Mr MacMillan confirmed there was ‘absolutely no chance’ of Joan and her team getting a refund



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ponchas...you are obviously NOT owed any money...bobby owed me money for one and a half years not much,,,but I rang him once a month or so all this time and never did get anything back...he constantly said "the money is in the post" and what you havnt got it yet" so I would like to meet him again...I live 200miles fm blackpool so I was never able to go there personaly...thats my fault...the receivers said I have no hope of getting my money so there,,,,

Well, I am new to bulletin boards but it surprises me how much hear say and rumours are mentioned with very little fact included. Any comments on this lot?

£664,762.74 is the Total owed to Blackpool Airport Ltd from Comed Aviation Ltd

Eleven aircraft impounded at the airport, valued at between £15,000 and £350,000 each, these include
1 Bandit
2 PA23's
1 Slingsby
5 PA28's
1 Chipmunk
1 C172

£544,154.13 is the Total allocated to the eleven aircraft impounded by the airport.
This is the amount wanted by the airport from the owners of these eleven aircraft.

The airport solicitors state - The airport is not under any obligation to provide details of the way in which this sum is apportioned between the aircraft because the aircraft were detained under section 88 (1) (a) (ii) of the act. Meaning they can sell any aircraft to pay any of the charges. Eg sell the Slingsby to pay fees allocated to the Bandit.

Other aircraft have been impounded by the receivers at Blackpool. Does anybody know how many and what they are?

One aircraft may have been impounded by a maintenance company at Leeds Bradford Airport. ( Multiflight ?) ( Owed £250,000?) Can any one confirm this?


Mr Peter Whitehead - Windmill Holdings
see http://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/peter.htm
This is the man who was allegedly reported to have invested money into Comed, wanted it back and then called in the receivers when he could not get it. Was it his money or was he the front man for another director at the football club? Anybody Know?

Relaunch said on the 14th that Comed would be up and running again next week, that week and another has been and gone, what's happened to the deal with the airport? I'd guess there was no deal! He also said Comed had not gone belly up, how about tits up!

DaDa asked if people owed money would be paid first, again I doubt it because Mr M as people call him, would start a new company and do the usual to all the others - crap on them.

Dagger-D was the nearest to the point.

Purple Pitot - Have you any more information on the inside take over? Come on spit it out if you have, or is it just rumour?
Come on let's have some proper news! Surely someone can add to this!

The council owns 100% of the shares of Blackpool Airport Ltd but they operate the company at "arms length" even though the airport is heavily subsidised by the council. The Airport has it's own board of directors, see below.

Useful Contact Details

Comed Aviation Ltd
Building 28
Blackpool Airport
Squires Gate Lane
Blackpool
FY4 2QY
Tel 01253 349072
Company No 01629566
DATE OF Incorporation 16/04/1982
Directors -
Mr R Murgatroyd and Miss A R Dearden

C.C.S MACMILLAN and D.J POWER
Joint Administrative Receivers
BDO Stoy Hayward
Third Floor
Peter House
St Peter's Square
Manchester
M1 5AB
Tel 0161 236 1955

Mr P Williams
District Auditor
3rd Floor
Sumner House
St Thomas's Road
Chorley
PR7 1HP
Tel 01257 230303

Blackpool Borough Council
See - http://www.blackpool.gov.uk
( Good web site, even has minutes for the meetings etc)

The Chief Executive
Blackpool Borough Council
PO Box 77
Town Hall
Corporation Street
Blackpool
FY1 1AD


Gordon Marsden MP (for Blackpool South)
Constituency Office
132 Highfield Road
Blackpool
FY4 2HH
Tel 01253 344143

Rt Hon Michael Jack MP (for Fylde)
House of Commons
Westminster
SW1A 0AA
Tel 020 7219 3000

Mr Gary Eastwood (Airport Managing Director)
Blackpool Airport Ltd
Squires Gate Lane
Blackpool
FY4 2QY
Tel 01253 343434
Company No 02084247
Date of Incorporation 15/12/1986
Board of Directors
Mr G Eastwwod Executive Director
Cllr D Owen Chairman
Cllr M Callow
Cllr N E Hardy
Cllr L Henderson
Cllr R R Lewis
Cllr A Mathews
Cllr G Wynne
Mr R J Millington Executive Director - resigned 20/09/2000
Cllr P R Wood resigned 05/05/2000
Cllr W Burgess resigned 20/09/2000
Cllr S Hill resigned 05/05/2000
Details for all the Councillors can be found on the Council web site, look under Democracy.

The accountants acting for the Airport are KPMG

The Solicitors acting for Blackpool Airport/Council are:-
Denton Wilde Sapte
Five Chancery Lane
Clifford's Inn
London
EC4A 1BU
Tel 020 73205573
Quote SWM Ref Blackpool Airport

The Local Government Ombudsman
Beverley House
17 Shipton Road
York
YO30 5FZ
Tel 01904 663200
(Ask for Complaint form)

I wonder how many of the freinds once loyal to Comed will now help the arrogant Murggy in his time of need... not me !!

Relaunch
What nonsense about the Jetstream operator stabbing them in the back, in this day and age if an opertunity arises, well done to those who are geared up to take it. Spare us the hypocracy, cause comedy would do just that if the roles were reversed !!
I suppose the only reason it stinks is that their pax figs are up, are doing extremely well, and have a gained a VERY good reputation with the local business communities.
Where is this mythical route going to be to ??? Try somewhere no one has heard of Comedy, thats the only way they will go for it !!!

TG

KNOW IT ALL you state that BPL Airport is owed £664,762.74 in total.

Can we clarify that this figure is either:
(1) as stated and is the amount owing SOLELY to BPL Airport, or
(2) the figure quoted is in fact the sum total of ALL debts, including
the Airport, Multiflight and many others?

The rough figure of approx.£500,000 was going out at the time of demise
and was a grand total of ALL accumulated debts owing, of which Blackpool
Airport was but one creditor.

Know It All
Your Information intrigues me, I presume you are or have something to do with the man who has a vulcan?
7 aircraft are detained by the airport which are owned either outright or partialy with Comed, 5 aircraft are detained by the airport wholely owned by Comed, two aircraft escaped and are sat at Carlisle, and one aircraft as you rightly state is at Leeds, with unpaid maintenance charges of £180k.
Mr Whitehead was the front man for a consortium on the Isle Of Man, the truth of the Comed demise is as yet not knowledge although I belive if the deal is not struck with the airport the whole mess will end up in court and thoes out there that helped stop a company employing 70+ staff and an annual turnover in excess of 4.5 Million will be brought to justice.
A deal had been struck with the airport on thursday 12 April 2001 although the airport appears to be back pedaling now , does any one know any more ?


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Relaunch
Have the laws in this country suddenly changed ???
I was not aware that you could be 'brought' to justice if someone owes you money !!!!


TG

I confirm that £664,762.74 is the Total owed to Blackpool Airport Ltd from Comed Aviation Ltd.
Other debts are due to others.

Of the Eleven aircraft impounded at the airport :-
1 Bandit Owned by Belgian Business, Sky Service BVBA
2 PA23's Both bought by Comed from private individuals, neither paid for!
1 Slingsby Jointly owned by group
5 PA28's 2 certainly owned by private individuals
1 Chipmunk Privately owned
1 C172 Comed owned

The owner of one of the PA28's, Mr P Bird who featured in the Blackpool Gazette article had a heart attack on the 11th April and was in intensive care foe a week. Hope he is OK now.

£544,154.13 is the Total allocated to the eleven aircraft impounded by the airport.
This is the amount wanted by the airport from the owners of these eleven aircraft.

Other aircraft have been impounded by the receivers at Blackpool. Does anybody know how many and what they are?
Do the receivers have rights to the aircraft at Carlisle?

If Mr M does a deal with the airport and gets his aircraft back in his possession can the receivers then take them of him to repay debts?

I have heard that fuel is not recoverable under section 88 is this correct?

Regarding the Vulcan - I hope this is not a Red Steer!

Any more info greatly received.


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relunch - do us al a favur and get a spel chekur !

Come on somebody must know some news!

Relaunch - if you are out there, ask Rumour Control when the deal with the Airport is going to take place?

I see the report from the Joint Receivers has been released, anybody want some info?

Know It All,

where can I find the report from the joint receivers? Is it on the web?

Thanks,

Tarmach.

It has been posted to all Creditors, Makes interesting reading!

WOAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Is it true about Multi Flight???
I am about invest £10k with them to do my CPL Skills test and an instructors Rating!!
As all you people seem to be 'clued up' with the Blackpool Community, Can any of you truly reccomend any of the schools on Blackpool?(ie Westair)

Just to help me get things straight. Is the 'Jetstream operator' Air2*** PL****M.
If it is that is one nice aeroplane.
Please Help

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Rob 747
Do Not, I say again Do not pre pay for any Flight Training, pay as you go,

I invested money upfront in the former Comed Aviation, and for unseen circumstances the Flying Club was shut down right in the middle of my Training.
As for Multiflight, they also helped with the demise of Comed by charging unauthorised repair bills on Robs 3 Bandits totaling over £250.000.00 in just three months!

Then to add insult to injury they impounded Comeds bandit due to their inability to pay, and the rest, I am affraid is history.

There are no Commercial Flight Schools at Blackpool, Comed was the only one that held all approvals, however I belive Comed is about ready to get going again, and if you want Commercial Training get In touch with John Hunter on 01253 401837, he is an excellent Instructor and will deliver the goods in a shortest time, but be wary, do not, I say again do not pay up front for any Flight Training.

G'day peeps.

Been lurking around this thread for a while now and thought I'd post my own penneth worth in order to get some clarity on the situation.

According to Know It All, Comed only owned 1 aircraft (C172). The PA23's were not paid for, and all other aircraft impounded seem to be spoken for elsewhere. ReLaunch however seems to think that Comed own (or partially own)a lot more than that. Either way the general vibes I'm picking up from these posts are that Comed (or 'Comedy') as some people prefer, are (or more appropriately, were)a relatively small fish in the sea.

However, here's what's bugging me; credit of over £660K seems to be a rather large amount for such a very small fish. Surely this amount must have been authorised from somewhere.

Any thoughts?



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Chox

I am surprised by Relaunch still thinking that Comed may rise from the ashes.

The receiver's report shows "Recorded unsecured claims from creditors per the company's records amount to approximately £1,515,000.00. Discussions with various parties regarding selling the company as a going-concern have been unsuccessful, he (the receiver) is in the process of releasing Company assets piecemeal to try and recover the indebtedness to the Debenture Holder. At this stage there is little prospect of the Debenture holder recovering its total indebtedness (£187,000). Also Based on current estimates there is no prospect of a dividend to unsecured creditors". I did not know about the bad debt from Executive airlines Dublin for £245,000. Any Others?

Good news for the private owners - I have been told the CAA has confirmed that fuel is not recoverable under Section 88 and have put this in writing. I have also been told that the airport solicitors have withdrawn the claim for unpaid landing fees because these had been paid. It's a good job the Airport manager used to be the Finance director or this may not have come to light so quickly!!

Rob 747, I agree with Relaunch, J Hunter is the man for CPL training he will push you hard but make use of every minute in the aircraft.

Bannerman bought all the assets of the Comed Clubhouse and hangar, stock and equipment, everything from toilet rolls to T-shirts, caps ties, split pins to one-armed bandits, not RM, he has two arms! Everything is for sale but I must warn you that RM is trying to buy furniture back for his new venue on Blackpool Airport! Also available two Citroen vans and a Granada car, collected at Bannerman's door is a bucketful of tears from the unfortunates that got career development loans from their Banks paid direct to Comed's account, one wonders whether the Bank has a responsibility here as they have not acted responsibly passing client's money direct to the company without checking it out fully. Is there a legal precident to be established here?

Should Robert be allowed to trade again on Blackpool airport - that is the question.

only on a milkround and then perhaps people could end up owing him money and he'd realise
what it feels like to be owed.

Shouldn't be allowed to trade anywhere if you ask me. Oh how I miss the datapost.

Hope all is well with all the staff that I haven't caught up with, we must get that pi$$up sorted!! PP when and where matey?

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Mucky ripped off to many people with money up front,should not be allowed to trade again at blackpool.

Come back Sandra!!!!

Well, Here is some more Comed news. Did you know that somebody has set up three new companies last week, Comed Flight Training Ltd, Comed Maintenance Ltd and Comed Schedule Services Ltd. Comed Flight Training is in the name of Martindale Kingham, Worsley House, Windle Street, St Helens. I don't have the details of the other two yet. Does any body else know about this?

Also the Receivers report refers to Windmill Investment Ltd as the debenture holder, Companies House show only one Windmill Investments Ltd which had changed it's name from Flitbuy Ltd on the 17/04/2001, any body know anything about this?

Chox Away, I have been told the credit was authorised by the Airport Manager Gary Eastwood with the full backing of the board of directors.

Bannerman, it looks like "Comed" maybe up and running again shortly but "who" is going to be Comed? Surely it can not be Murgy!

Know It All -

Your information intrigues me more and more. Are the debenture holders, Windmill Investments Ltd part of the same company as Windmill Holdings? Why should they have changed their name after being dormant and doing so only after bringing proceedings against Comed?

You also say, Mr Gary Eastwood (Airport Managing Director) had the full backing of the board of directors. If the local Authority wholly owns Blackpool Airport, why can I not find any reference to Comed and their financial problems in the local council minutes?


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Regards-
Chox

I THINK RELAUNCH IS R.M.HIMSELF!!!!