Swiss downsize definite

[Robert Vesco]

The ex-Swissair guys refuse to accept that Crossair have taken them over because Crossair did not pay a brass bean for the Swissair equipment. It was given to them.

Sorry Stumpie, but the ex-Swissair equipment was not given to us. We have to pay leasing fees just like everybody else. However, Swiss claims that it was able to negotiate very good leasing contracts in the wake of September 11th.

For as far as salaries are concerned it´s a direct concequence of the seniority issue. Instead of joining the Crossair salary list (and expanding the already existing Crossair salary list with a long range salary scale back on the 31st of March 2002) the ex-Swissair pilots were able to negotiate a seperate salary list, just for themselfs. This of course was not acceptable to the CCP, because if you are in one company, you should have one salary list (and benefits packages such as vacation) for the same group of employees. This has been explained by people like skypointer as if a Crossair pilot on the Saab 2000 should earn the same than a pilot on the MD11. This is pure nonsence, but we all know what happens if you tell a lie over and over and over... people eventuelly start believing it. It is the CCP´s goal to have one salary scale for the long range fleet and one salary scale for the European fleet.

[Lost_luggage34]

DCS99 - about time you visited the forum ?

[Stumpie]

Dear RV,

Thanks for the reply. I guess the leasing companies are the same or whoever took over after the demise of Swissair.

Salary - not a good sign that your management accepted a deal that benefitted one half at the expense of the other, especially when AD was ex Crossair himself. This does not bode well for the future where huge costs are likely to occur if your version of seniority is enforced. Of course the court ruling has to be enforced first in this case which is not a foregone conclusion in my opinion. I still think, based on past performance, it will be the junior regional guys who are likely to be the losers. Money makes the world go round -especially in Switzerland.

[Momo]

Time for a new startup...

As it has already been proven that a profitable short-haul airline can be created from Basel, it seems to me that it is now time for someone with a lot of courage, not to mention money, to start one, based on what is being eliminated by Swiss. The Basel-based routes, with the exception of BSL-ZRH have never been dependent on hub and spoke economics.

Momo

[Robert Vesco]

Money makes the world go round -especially in Switzerland.

Yes, you got that right Stumpie ! Especially in Switzerland. The Swiss have very little respect for international (or national) law as skypointer has illustrated so well in his/her posts. Bending every international law and standard possible has made this country very rich with money from white collar criminals, drugs dealers and despots, but it has also led to the current mess within Swiss International Air Lines.

Applying "industry standards" when it suits you to justify the higher MD11, A330 and A320 salaries while at the same time applying "best practice" when dealing with seniority (by shoving roughly 1000 ex-Crossair pilots below you on the seniority list) is a perfect example.

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Welcome to the Banana Republic Switzerland !

[middlepath]

Dear Colleagues in Swiss

The quickest way to solve all dispute is to ask the present management to tender resignation and have fresh start. Debating in the forum is just for self setisfaction but will not have any end result. Do you agree?

[N380UA]

Sorry middlepath, a fresh start is the one thing we can't have ! It’s do or die now I’m afraid.
As far as the self indulgence on this forum, see it as morphine for the dieing solder.

[middlepath]

Is it not effecting moral of the staff due to this atmosphare of uncertainty ?

[dr yes]

Meanwhile...

What a shame the reality of the modern world hasn't yet dawned upon these bloated, egomaniacal windbag pilots. Seems to me that we could all play nicely in the sandpit with the other children? Unless.....

Die schweiz ist ein Horterland, das vor lauter Vergangenheit nicht an die Zukunft denkt. Aber es gibt tolle, engagierte Menschen, schöpferische Finder. Leider bleibt der volkskörper davon unberührt.

Oh dear, there is that, isn't there!

.....das vor lauter Vergangenheit nicht an die Zukunft denkt.

Oh dear, oh dear.

[middlepath]

dr yes

Is that the translation in German how the state of the moral at Swiss due to uncertainty?

[dr yes]

Middlepath.

Thoughtless of me not to include an English translation, so here you are. Quite topical, if you ask me......

Switzerland is a land of hoarders who's sense of the past prevents it from looking to the future. But it is also home to many exciting, committed spirits, creative and resourceful. Regrettably, the body of the people remain little affected by this.

CCP.
Your seniority aspirations are ludicrous and unworkable. How much of your current position is determined by bitter and twisted unsuccessful applicants to Swissair in years gone by? No residual ill-will from that, is there? How do you expect your court adventurism to be implemented? Oh, that’s right, not your problem is it. Its management’s problem……

Aeropers.
Time to display some vision, and clarity of forethought. A clear and unambiguous statement needs to be made about cockpit integration and career model. This is central to CCP anxieties and in a post file-screening world, your qualitative objection evaporates. Statements comparing university professors with kindergarten teachers don't help anyone and makes your membership look cowardly and bombastic.

Get on with it, time is running out.

[PorcoRosso]

Hello gals & guys

Pretty hard times for former Crossair crews. My girlfriend recently quit the company to work for AirFrance (she's F/A) and she will really miss the airline spirit (before 11 of sept I mean )
I don't know if it helps, but somebody advertised for Saab positions (340 & 2000) on the "Nordic Forum".
Have a look here