Pilot convicted in Norway
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In todays world its the easiest case to get a conviction on.... "The Cry of "Wolf" has all do gooders in position to make a case. This is mainly as a result of the many years of doing nothing whatsoever for true victims.
As I no nothing of the particular case I cannot say guilty or otherwise.. However, half naked ladies allowing drunken pilots in their rooms should share a little of the weight of the problem just for being stupid.............and drunken pilots doing these deeds should find some time to reflect in the Grey Bar Hotel.
As I no nothing of the particular case I cannot say guilty or otherwise.. However, half naked ladies allowing drunken pilots in their rooms should share a little of the weight of the problem just for being stupid.............and drunken pilots doing these deeds should find some time to reflect in the Grey Bar Hotel.
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Bert
Call her stupid if you like. Maybe she is stupid, I don't know. I know lots of stupid people. So, because someone is stupid they get a share of the blame if they are raped? or murdered? or violated?
Come on now, your comments are verging on the border of stupidity; so how would you like it if a big man forced you down and inserted something that you didn't want or care for? Is part of that blame down to you, for scoring high on the stupidity scale?
Bert, I'm not calling you stupid. I am however trying to make you realise that every adult has the right to say Yes or No. If it is No, then it means No. No degree of stupidity or thoughtlessness lessens the crime.
Now, whether the guy is guilty or not, that's not for us to judge. That is the job of the court and the appeal court to decide. If he is guilty then he deserves whatever they throw at him, no matter how hard he has worked to get where he is. He won't get any sympathy from me.
Call her stupid if you like. Maybe she is stupid, I don't know. I know lots of stupid people. So, because someone is stupid they get a share of the blame if they are raped? or murdered? or violated?
Come on now, your comments are verging on the border of stupidity; so how would you like it if a big man forced you down and inserted something that you didn't want or care for? Is part of that blame down to you, for scoring high on the stupidity scale?
Bert, I'm not calling you stupid. I am however trying to make you realise that every adult has the right to say Yes or No. If it is No, then it means No. No degree of stupidity or thoughtlessness lessens the crime.
Now, whether the guy is guilty or not, that's not for us to judge. That is the job of the court and the appeal court to decide. If he is guilty then he deserves whatever they throw at him, no matter how hard he has worked to get where he is. He won't get any sympathy from me.
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In this business we spend time in close proximity to the other sex to a remarkable degree. Sometimes we even have to share rooms . There always has to be that barrier that until it is lowered, you keep your hands to yourself.
If you can't convince someone of the advantages of you getting up close and personal-you have to keep clear.
In every company for which I have worked, a male who forces himself on a female has always stood in greater danger from his fellow pilots than he has from the law.
...others, with a more persuasive personality have left the rest of us with a deep sense of personal inadequacy!
If you can't convince someone of the advantages of you getting up close and personal-you have to keep clear.
In every company for which I have worked, a male who forces himself on a female has always stood in greater danger from his fellow pilots than he has from the law.
...others, with a more persuasive personality have left the rest of us with a deep sense of personal inadequacy!
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Horatio......
I am well aware of what is right and wrong. No should mean no.....However, it has been shown that some say no just for fun and others dont recognize No when other factors are involved. This appears to be the case here....
We have an excess of Lawyers who build big homes on cases like this so I will let them have the fun.........Chill a bit....
I am well aware of what is right and wrong. No should mean no.....However, it has been shown that some say no just for fun and others dont recognize No when other factors are involved. This appears to be the case here....
We have an excess of Lawyers who build big homes on cases like this so I will let them have the fun.........Chill a bit....
That last post was utterly outrageous. I ask you to withdraw your comment, jockmcstrap.
My sympathies to the victim of this appalling crime.
Edit: My post referred to an earlier one by jockmcstrap, now withdrawn, not to the post by B Sousa.
My sympathies to the victim of this appalling crime.
Edit: My post referred to an earlier one by jockmcstrap, now withdrawn, not to the post by B Sousa.
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I'm a little perturbed by the compensation issue. If someone robs your house or mugs you/beats you up whatever in Norway, can you get compensation this easily? Why compensation for alleged rape? It brings in a motive or financial incentive to go screaming to the law 'rape!' at any time! Does it give her 'payment' for the alleged incident? I can see a case for punishment (if a crime was committed), but this large payment introduces other unpleasant factors.
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Notso, this is not a case of alleged rape, the court has found him guilty so we can drop the adjective and it would be fair to the lady to do that. The evidence has clearly proved the case.
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Lou Scannon ( and the rest of the lynch mob,)
I've waited a long time for this day you pompous *****.
Just to put the record straight, the pilot who you were so ready to put down has this week taken his case to a higher court.
The case was heard in the Norwegian Appeals court in Hamar.
The verdict was NOT GUILTY !!!
This was a case based on hearsay & conjecture, with no objective evidence submitted to the court.
This case would not have made it to court in the UK, but the relaxed laws surrounding the qulaity of evidence in Norway were exploited to the full, allowing this travesty to continue for 2 years.
I hope in future you may approach matters with a slightly more open mind.
I've waited a long time for this day you pompous *****.
Just to put the record straight, the pilot who you were so ready to put down has this week taken his case to a higher court.
The case was heard in the Norwegian Appeals court in Hamar.
The verdict was NOT GUILTY !!!
This was a case based on hearsay & conjecture, with no objective evidence submitted to the court.
This case would not have made it to court in the UK, but the relaxed laws surrounding the qulaity of evidence in Norway were exploited to the full, allowing this travesty to continue for 2 years.
I hope in future you may approach matters with a slightly more open mind.
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Maxy101 - Are you a complete authority on BA disciplinary policy - I hope he comes back to work and if he doesn't he seeks what he is due through other means 
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This story has hit the headlines again.
It was on the front page of last nights Manchester Evening News.
Links to the the individual stories are as follows:
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=53970.html
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=53971.html
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=54022.html
It is incredible that had this pilot not done his own investigation into the so called evidence against him, that he could now be behind bars in a foreign prison.
Scarey stuff...
It was on the front page of last nights Manchester Evening News.
Links to the the individual stories are as follows:
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=53970.html
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=53971.html
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...ory=54022.html
It is incredible that had this pilot not done his own investigation into the so called evidence against him, that he could now be behind bars in a foreign prison.
Scarey stuff...
