Pilot convicted in Norway
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Pilot convicted in Norway
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A British airline pilot has been given a two-and-a-half year prison sentence and told to pay £20,000 compensation for raping a stewardess in Norway.
Marcus Orr, of Wilmslow, was convicted by an Oslo court of raping the woman at the city's Radisson Hotel last October.
Orr, 34, suspended from work by British Airways, was told he could return to the UK pending a possible appeal.
A British airline pilot has been given a two-and-a-half year prison sentence and told to pay £20,000 compensation for raping a stewardess in Norway.
Marcus Orr, of Wilmslow, was convicted by an Oslo court of raping the woman at the city's Radisson Hotel last October.
Orr, 34, suspended from work by British Airways, was told he could return to the UK pending a possible appeal.
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A "very unsafe conviction" according to anyone who knows both parties - particularly the complainant and indeed expert counsel.
So, do not stand in judgement at least until the outcome of any appeal is known.
So, do not stand in judgement at least until the outcome of any appeal is known.
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AN AIRLINE pilot raped a stewardess during an international stop-over.
The British Airways first officer subjected his 34-year-old victim to a terrifying assault after tricking his way into her hotel room in Norway.
In court Mrs A described how Mr X, a former Greater Manchester Police constable, had been drinking into the early hours, and suddenly attacked her after saying he wanted booze from the mini-bar in her room.
The 34-year-old Manchester Airport-based pilot, who is engaged to be married to another stewardess, denied raping Mrs A in Oslo in August last year. He was found guilty after a two-day trial and sentenced to two-and-a-half years behind bars but was allowed to return to the UK pending an appeal.
On the night of the rape Mr X, along with Mrs A, the flight captain and another female cabin crew member, were staying at the Radisson Hotel, Oslo, and were due to fly back to Manchester the following afternoon.
They spent the evening drinking in a bar. The second flight attendant caught an early bus back to the hotel while the others returned in a taxi just after 10pm.
Mr X went back to the captain's room for "a nightcap" while Mrs A went to bed. She told the court how she had been asleep for about two hours when Mr X telephoned, asking if she had any drinks left. "I assumed they had run out of drinks and said yes - although I was annoyed at being disturbed," she said.
Mrs A, who had been sleeping naked, wrapped herself in a duvet before opening the door to her colleague. She described how he went to get the drinks from her mini-bar while she sat on the bed with her back to him. The next thing she knew he overpowered her and forced her on to the bed.
Mrs A said: "His eyes looked evil - he looked like somebody on drugs. I was really frightened." After the attack Mr X began to cry and told her he didn't love his fiancée. She agreed not to tell anybody of the incident.
Mr X claimed he had gone to Mrs A’s room to retrieve a jumper she had borrowed. He claimed he spent about five minutes in Mrs A's company. However, according to the hotel's electronic key card times, he did not return to his room for an hour.
When asked about the discrepancy, he said: "We had all consumed a moderate amount of alcohol that night and perhaps it distorted my perception of time."
When asked why his colleague would make a false accusation of rape, Mr X said he had no explanation. "I've worked hard to get where I am. I would never do something so stupid as I have so much to lose," he said.
The British Airways first officer subjected his 34-year-old victim to a terrifying assault after tricking his way into her hotel room in Norway.
In court Mrs A described how Mr X, a former Greater Manchester Police constable, had been drinking into the early hours, and suddenly attacked her after saying he wanted booze from the mini-bar in her room.
The 34-year-old Manchester Airport-based pilot, who is engaged to be married to another stewardess, denied raping Mrs A in Oslo in August last year. He was found guilty after a two-day trial and sentenced to two-and-a-half years behind bars but was allowed to return to the UK pending an appeal.
On the night of the rape Mr X, along with Mrs A, the flight captain and another female cabin crew member, were staying at the Radisson Hotel, Oslo, and were due to fly back to Manchester the following afternoon.
They spent the evening drinking in a bar. The second flight attendant caught an early bus back to the hotel while the others returned in a taxi just after 10pm.
Mr X went back to the captain's room for "a nightcap" while Mrs A went to bed. She told the court how she had been asleep for about two hours when Mr X telephoned, asking if she had any drinks left. "I assumed they had run out of drinks and said yes - although I was annoyed at being disturbed," she said.
Mrs A, who had been sleeping naked, wrapped herself in a duvet before opening the door to her colleague. She described how he went to get the drinks from her mini-bar while she sat on the bed with her back to him. The next thing she knew he overpowered her and forced her on to the bed.
Mrs A said: "His eyes looked evil - he looked like somebody on drugs. I was really frightened." After the attack Mr X began to cry and told her he didn't love his fiancée. She agreed not to tell anybody of the incident.
Mr X claimed he had gone to Mrs A’s room to retrieve a jumper she had borrowed. He claimed he spent about five minutes in Mrs A's company. However, according to the hotel's electronic key card times, he did not return to his room for an hour.
When asked about the discrepancy, he said: "We had all consumed a moderate amount of alcohol that night and perhaps it distorted my perception of time."
When asked why his colleague would make a false accusation of rape, Mr X said he had no explanation. "I've worked hard to get where I am. I would never do something so stupid as I have so much to lose," he said.
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M.Mouse,
I believe the individual involved is employed by BA Citiexpress, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of British Airways. Would that not make him an employee of B.A.?
I believe the individual involved is employed by BA Citiexpress, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of British Airways. Would that not make him an employee of B.A.?
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They spent the evening drinking in a bar. The second flight attendant caught an early bus back to the hotel while the others returned in a taxi just after 10pm.
Mr X went back to the captain's room for "a nightcap" while Mrs A went to bed. She told the court how she had been asleep for about two hours when Mr X telephoned, asking if she had any drinks left. "I assumed they had run out of drinks and said yes - although I was annoyed at being disturbed," she said.
Mr X went back to the captain's room for "a nightcap" while Mrs A went to bed. She told the court how she had been asleep for about two hours when Mr X telephoned, asking if she had any drinks left. "I assumed they had run out of drinks and said yes - although I was annoyed at being disturbed," she said.
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Does M Mouse=Management Man?
Had the BA CX aircraft piled in at Manchester the next day no doubt a spokesperson from BA would deny it was a company aircraft while repainting it with Whitewash!
Had the BA CX aircraft piled in at Manchester the next day no doubt a spokesperson from BA would deny it was a company aircraft while repainting it with Whitewash!
Controversial, moi?
No I am not management but funny how just what we all expected happens. A subsidiary, franchise, codeshare or whatever the relationship is blurred.
He works for a subsidiary company not BA.
Hence my statement.
He works for a subsidiary company not BA.
Hence my statement.
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No, the employee of a subsidiary company is not an employee of the parent company.
Only wondering, than.... do the pay cheques come from the parent or the subsidiary company?
One works for the outfit that authorises the cheques. Yes?
One lad who worked for KLM subsidiary for a time told me that when he reached the retirement age he has received full KLM ret. package. As if he worked directly for the company. Does BA work different?
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Yes BA does work differently, very differently. BACX pay the BACX employees pay cheques, not BA. When BACX employees retire they do not receive the full BA retirement package, in fact I don't know if they receive any BA retirement package at all. It is not just semantics. BA used to own Go, did that make Go staff BA employees? No, it didn't.
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I've worked for two BA subs.
One had no pension scheme, the other was in the BA pension scheme.
They had varying travel perks and degrees of management independence.
One payroll was done by BA Pay Services, the other (after BA PS cocked up the MDs salary twice), wasn't.
When a facility shared between BA PLC and a sub was closed recently, there were major differences in redundancy packages, depending on which side of the line the employee worked, although both wore the same uniform.
Working for a wholly owned subsidiary does not mean you work for BA PLC.
I now work for an IT company, largely on the BA account. Essentially, BA pay my wages. Does this mean BA employ me?
One had no pension scheme, the other was in the BA pension scheme.
They had varying travel perks and degrees of management independence.
One payroll was done by BA Pay Services, the other (after BA PS cocked up the MDs salary twice), wasn't.
When a facility shared between BA PLC and a sub was closed recently, there were major differences in redundancy packages, depending on which side of the line the employee worked, although both wore the same uniform.
Working for a wholly owned subsidiary does not mean you work for BA PLC.
I now work for an IT company, largely on the BA account. Essentially, BA pay my wages. Does this mean BA employ me?
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No Geeny, hopefully in UK he would have received a far longer sentence.
It would seem that he used his position as a crew member and therefore workmate of this lady to talk his way into her room under false pretences. He then proceeded to rape her.
The fact that the lady allowed him into her room to take drinks from the mini-bar excuses nothing.
She has my sympathy. He does not.
It would seem that he used his position as a crew member and therefore workmate of this lady to talk his way into her room under false pretences. He then proceeded to rape her.
The fact that the lady allowed him into her room to take drinks from the mini-bar excuses nothing.
She has my sympathy. He does not.
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Geeny, shame on you!
Because she opened her door and happened to be wrapped in a bed quilt, she invited a sexual attack? Maybe the guy could not overcome his 'natural urges' as a full blooded male, and therefore can be excused from raping her?
I thought those attitudes went out with the Ark!
The VICTIM could have been a prostitute on the street, and I'm not suggesting for one minute that this lady was, but that would not alter the situation one little bit. Even a prostitute, who might willingly sell her body to those she choses to, has the right to say YES or NO.
Rape is Rape!
Because she opened her door and happened to be wrapped in a bed quilt, she invited a sexual attack? Maybe the guy could not overcome his 'natural urges' as a full blooded male, and therefore can be excused from raping her?
I thought those attitudes went out with the Ark!
The VICTIM could have been a prostitute on the street, and I'm not suggesting for one minute that this lady was, but that would not alter the situation one little bit. Even a prostitute, who might willingly sell her body to those she choses to, has the right to say YES or NO.
Rape is Rape!
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In the eyes of the public if he works for BA express then he works for British Airways!!!!
More importantly how is the girl that was raped getting on after such a horrendous experience?
More importantly how is the girl that was raped getting on after such a horrendous experience?