Big Black Fence At MAN AVP
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wonder if they'l drop the parking fees a bit, considering you cant see so much, as has been said before, not going to see much, unless your on the mounds, and not everybody will fit on them
dont visit as much as i used to now, so will see if its a bad as it sounds, otherwise will be visiting even less.
dont visit as much as i used to now, so will see if its a bad as it sounds, otherwise will be visiting even less.
I was as the AVP yesterday and whilst I thought the lower Heras style fence was a bit unnecessary and useless, the main fence was acceptable and I was standing on the grass with my little dog.
And then I was asked to leave as dogs are not allowed. If the fence is meant to stop terrorists, surely it can stop a dog?
And then I was asked to leave as dogs are not allowed. If the fence is meant to stop terrorists, surely it can stop a dog?
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And then I was asked to leave as dogs are not allowed. If the fence is meant to stop terrorists, surely it can stop a dog?
I think the no dogs thing is more to stop them sh!tting all over which is fair enough considering the amount of children etc, imo.
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The dog ban is nothing to do with children etc etc, the security people deemed that dogs working in a group would be able to dig a hole under the fence big enough to fit through a 45 tonne truck.
Makes sense to me.
Makes sense to me.
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My springer spaniel is gutted, he just loves jet noise. His favourite viewing place is Lakenheath. On his last visit he got the full effect of a pair of F-15s taking off on full reheat.
Bizarrely (Whilst I was more than compliant once I was advised of the ban by a lady was very polite about it) I did not see any of the signs despite the fact they were in front of my face. Sometimes one concentrates so much on; in this case; getting the ticket that you don't see the important thing three inches below.
She mentioned the dog that ran on the runway issue from a few months ago as the reason, although the fences are pretty secure. It was a pity as the other children at the AVP were enjoying playing with the dog more than watching the planes.
She mentioned the dog that ran on the runway issue from a few months ago as the reason, although the fences are pretty secure. It was a pity as the other children at the AVP were enjoying playing with the dog more than watching the planes.
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Give me a break, the mods or others would have pulled the thread if there was any validity to your claim.
Besides think about it, the bad guys want something spectacular something the world would take notice of, what is a 46t truck going to do ?
A 200t airplane impacting elsewhere would be something else.
Besides think about it, the bad guys want something spectacular something the world would take notice of, what is a 46t truck going to do ?
A 200t airplane impacting elsewhere would be something else.
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he was taking the wee with the 46t truck.
Any one with even a hint of engineering savy would be able to put a huge hole in the theory that this fence would stop anything apart from an accidental ramming.
Shy's ditch with a row of tank traps before or after it sculpted into seating would be more use.
But you can't tell these types, if you start pointing out the flaws in there thinking it doesn't help matters.
What they need to get is a QSMI from the Royal Engineers to advise them on what works and then build something and then get 5-10 sappers to try and get through it, which they will.
Any one with even a hint of engineering savy would be able to put a huge hole in the theory that this fence would stop anything apart from an accidental ramming.
Shy's ditch with a row of tank traps before or after it sculpted into seating would be more use.
But you can't tell these types, if you start pointing out the flaws in there thinking it doesn't help matters.
What they need to get is a QSMI from the Royal Engineers to advise them on what works and then build something and then get 5-10 sappers to try and get through it, which they will.
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She mentioned the dog that ran on the runway issue from a few months ago as the reason
Once [as a Runway Controller] I was told to fire my bird scaring Very pistol at a dog on the airfield. I aimed wide, but the dog tried [fortunately unsuccessfully] to pick up the live cartridge. Again, from the Tower, we watched the Plod drop a PC off at the old link Bravo to catch a stray doggie
{JA1} down the now Twy J. B. then catching the dog....which promptly escaped, running down Twy C towards the old Fairies Apron [Western Maintainance] where it swanned off home. This took 15 or so enjoyable minutes.In the word of Dave Cl*se "Don't bother about dogs on the Runway, they are frangible"
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And then there was a dog from a biz jet which got off and wandered into the middle of the taxiway and then squeezed out what looked like half its body weight.
The twr controller got quite upset about that. Cheered our day up though.
The twr controller got quite upset about that. Cheered our day up though.
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he was taking the wee with the 46t truck.
But come on don't you think the gate people at AVP know what to look for when it comes to looking at bad people ?
I'm on the other side of the fence I sure would hope so !!
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err nope. They are just one visable line of security which filters out a few types of risk. The mentally ill and attention seeking type of incident.
The really bad guys which would actually do you harm hopefully are nipped in the bud before they get to do anything by the other layers of security.
The really bad guys which would actually do you harm hopefully are nipped in the bud before they get to do anything by the other layers of security.
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While our enjoyment of the Viewing Park is further ruined having been first turned from a plane spotter's paradise to a "Visitor Attraction" sorry place for parents to bring their kids when a park isnt available and now totally trashed by not being able to see anything from the flatter areas when they have spent so much money on them.
You couldnt make it up.
You couldnt make it up.
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How dreadfull for you, How can big grown up spotters be expected to grapple with the complexities of gawping slack jawed at planes landing and taking off and obtaining the all important reg numbers at the same time whilst being distracted by excited kids running about the place.
Its enough to drive you to your local motorway bridge and do something really childish, such as collecting Eddie Stobarts truck reg numbers
Its enough to drive you to your local motorway bridge and do something really childish, such as collecting Eddie Stobarts truck reg numbers
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"While our enjoyment of the Viewing Park is further ruined having been first turned from a plane spotter's paradise to a "Visitor Attraction" sorry place for parents to bring their kids when a park isnt available and now totally trashed by not being able to see anything from the flatter areas when they have spent so much money on them.
You couldnt make it up. "
And of course they have done this just out of spite not because they have been required to do it! Consider maybe they would have preferred not to!
You couldnt make it up. "
And of course they have done this just out of spite not because they have been required to do it! Consider maybe they would have preferred not to!
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Don't know what the fuss is all about, the new fence can still be seen through, the mounds have been raised (at great expense) and a compromise was made by placing the concrete blocks around the car park instead of at the fence base, which would have made it higher still.
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And of course they have done this just out of spite not because they have been required to do it!
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Um....is this sort of thing happening anywhere else? I rather love the ability to shoot through the fence a good part of the way round LHR, GLA, EDI, PIK, ABZ, STN etc etc.
Hope not, my partner had perfected that at MAN as well.
Oh well, the smaller higher mounds near the testing bay are a good spot as well
Hope not, my partner had perfected that at MAN as well.
Oh well, the smaller higher mounds near the testing bay are a good spot as well