A380, one more cancellation!
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A380, one more cancellation!
The leasing society ILFC cancelled their order for the 380....how many more to come?
This white elephant will hurt badly SAS Airbus!
This white elephant will hurt badly SAS Airbus!
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It'll probably hurt Airbus in the short term. As the recession bites airlines will cancel or delay new aircraft.
However, long term Airbus will undoubtably win. As the recession lifts more and more people will want to fly and airlines will want to fly them by the cheapest method possible. As fleets get older then airlines will have to replace them with something or other.
In many situations this'll be the A380.
10 years from now we'll all be hailing the A380 as one of the major financial successes of the airline industry!
However, long term Airbus will undoubtably win. As the recession lifts more and more people will want to fly and airlines will want to fly them by the cheapest method possible. As fleets get older then airlines will have to replace them with something or other.
In many situations this'll be the A380.
10 years from now we'll all be hailing the A380 as one of the major financial successes of the airline industry!
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Nope!! make no difference for me, flew 737, 757,767, than now 330,...at the end no matter which one your flying, at the end of the day you end up at the same hotel, dead, jet lag, away of home...worrying about the economy!
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Read that this morning,
ILFC may drop A380
10-Jun-2009
June 8: Agence France-Presse reports that the US aircraft leasing company International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) cancel its order for ten Airbus A380s due to a downturn in interest from lessees in the current economic climate.
ILFC had already deferred delivery from the original 2007 date back to 2013, but cancellation would be a major blow to Airbus – ILFC's order is estimated to be worth nearly €3 billion.
ILFC may drop A380
10-Jun-2009
June 8: Agence France-Presse reports that the US aircraft leasing company International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) cancel its order for ten Airbus A380s due to a downturn in interest from lessees in the current economic climate.
ILFC had already deferred delivery from the original 2007 date back to 2013, but cancellation would be a major blow to Airbus – ILFC's order is estimated to be worth nearly €3 billion.
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I agree Barrymung, general question, did Beoing have 200+ orders for the 747 just out the box all those years ago, yes all those years ago and now there try and update it, I don't think that will work via the A380 Mr Boeing.
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Found this to,
Thai Airways Could Cancel Airbus A380 Jet Order
Manufacturing.Net - June 09, 2009
BANGKOK (AP) -- Thai Airways International Ltd. is reviewing its order for six Airbus A380s as the slump in global travel undermines the profitability of flying the superjumbo.
The airline, which lost 21.4 billion baht ($625 million) in 2008, has the aircraft slated for delivery in 2010 and the following year. It would use them for direct flights from Bangkok to London, Sydney and Tokyo, and possibly Frankfurt and Paris.
"We are taking a hard look at our options -- whether we want to have the A380s, whether they are affordable in the current economic downturn," head of investor relations Raj Tanta-Nanta said Tuesday.
Thai Airways Could Cancel Airbus A380 Jet Order
Manufacturing.Net - June 09, 2009
BANGKOK (AP) -- Thai Airways International Ltd. is reviewing its order for six Airbus A380s as the slump in global travel undermines the profitability of flying the superjumbo.
The airline, which lost 21.4 billion baht ($625 million) in 2008, has the aircraft slated for delivery in 2010 and the following year. It would use them for direct flights from Bangkok to London, Sydney and Tokyo, and possibly Frankfurt and Paris.
"We are taking a hard look at our options -- whether we want to have the A380s, whether they are affordable in the current economic downturn," head of investor relations Raj Tanta-Nanta said Tuesday.
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In the airline business there are the leaders, and the rest.
Don't worry about Thai, they are making decisions in a corrupt country. ILFC was influential until its owner AIG nearly went bust.
Look at Qantas, Emirates and Singapore. Sure they may adjust a delivery here or there, but their commitment to the A380 is unwavering.
Don't worry about Thai, they are making decisions in a corrupt country. ILFC was influential until its owner AIG nearly went bust.
Look at Qantas, Emirates and Singapore. Sure they may adjust a delivery here or there, but their commitment to the A380 is unwavering.
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dear billy34_kit, why don't you just say you don't like the A380/Airbus, it would be easier in the long term. The A380 is the best long haul aircraft to be built in a very long time, and with its better than forecast fuel economy will soon have airlines shouting out for them when they realise that this is just a shorterm downturn in passenger travel cos'd by media hype about the world going bust, the world is still the same as it was yesterday and just the same as it was this time last year apart from the media tell us we're all bust. I've still got the same job with the same money as last year I'm just being careful with it at present as I think the rest of the world is, in a years time things will have changed very much back to what it was.
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Were you reading the same story? The title says MAY, and is the same as in this weeks Flight International. Mr Hazy has had an awful lot to say about most aircraft models he has on order lately, strikes me that he is trying to put the wind up the manufacturers to try and get himself a better deal. I'm certain the parent company are putting pressure on him to cut costs and this is his response. At the moment he has plenty of aircraft on order for delivery when the big boys want to replace their fleets, how better to boost profits than scare the manufacturers into dropping prices then clean up with higher lease costs for the airlines. Wonder if he is related to MOL.
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The A380 is ideal for a static niche market but that market is nowhere near large enough for the A380 to ever break even, (around 500 sales required now, I believe). Whether the pax like it or not won't be sufficient reason to convince the bean counters that airlines should buy it as a new type.
It may be technically the best but commercially it is a disaster for AirBus.
It may be technically the best but commercially it is a disaster for AirBus.
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Bill 34, I am guessing you are in America... you have the same tone as many other american people, they choose the hate the A380, basicly because a "non" american company has dared to produce something to replace the "beloved" but now ancient 747... why do people react with such glee to possible loss of many millions of dollars and jobs just because a European aircraft has had an order cancelled?
As many people on here have said, Boeing had similar problems with launch of the 747... The A380 is a vastly superior aircraft in many ways, I have not had the pleasure to fly on it, but a good friend with many passenger hours has!
Anyway bottom line...leave the A380 alone please....
As many people on here have said, Boeing had similar problems with launch of the 747... The A380 is a vastly superior aircraft in many ways, I have not had the pleasure to fly on it, but a good friend with many passenger hours has!
Anyway bottom line...leave the A380 alone please....
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Some of you are forgetting that, appreciating the limited market, development and production costs, Boeing offered Airbus a consortium on a Very Large Aircraft but Airbus refused, "Oh no we can do this on our own", so Boeing said, "OK, go it alone" and dropped out of any competition.
Airbus thought they were producing a B744 replacement, but that had already been done by the big twins, B777, and to some extent the A330 and so on. The major airlines have a place for the A380 but in penny numbers, nothing like the numbers that the B747 was ordered in, doubtful that any one airline will ever own more than fifteen to twenty A380 and none of the major American airlines are currently interested.
You can dream all you want to but in aviation history the A380 will fall into the same category as the Concord.
Airbus thought they were producing a B744 replacement, but that had already been done by the big twins, B777, and to some extent the A330 and so on. The major airlines have a place for the A380 but in penny numbers, nothing like the numbers that the B747 was ordered in, doubtful that any one airline will ever own more than fifteen to twenty A380 and none of the major American airlines are currently interested.
You can dream all you want to but in aviation history the A380 will fall into the same category as the Concord.
You can dream all you want to but in aviation history the A380 will fall into the same category as the Concord.
Current A380 orders - 200.
Not quite the same category!
Like it or not, the A380 has a place in the market. Eventually environmental pressures, slot restrictions, etc will put severe limitations on the current smaller aircraft/more flights model that many airlines use and then the A380 (particularly when the -900 becomes available) will become very relevant. Why fly two 777s when you could use one A380?
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Groundloop I think you are being too optimistic and not looking at the bigger picture.
During the heights of a peak season, you may think to yourself that having 2 772 flights is a waste and an A380- would have been better. Lets take 4 777 flights that Emirates fly daily from Dubai-London. You could do this with a A380-900 and a 777-300 and save quite a significant figure.
But very few airlines have this type of scenario and if they did, would it really be economically viable. They would have worked out the cost of having a mixed fleet. Costs in line training from lets say a Boeing to an Airbus. Mixed maintenance facilities. Also there could be a reason why you would want 4 777 flights as opposed to one A380 flight - lets say business travellers for example who prefer the flexibility.
I honestly believe that the A380 will not be as successful as the 747. I think that it is just a little too big.
If you are an airline that does not forecast a constant high passenger load 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, then you have ample aircraft to chose from. 772ER/773ER A330, A345/6.
During the heights of a peak season, you may think to yourself that having 2 772 flights is a waste and an A380- would have been better. Lets take 4 777 flights that Emirates fly daily from Dubai-London. You could do this with a A380-900 and a 777-300 and save quite a significant figure.
But very few airlines have this type of scenario and if they did, would it really be economically viable. They would have worked out the cost of having a mixed fleet. Costs in line training from lets say a Boeing to an Airbus. Mixed maintenance facilities. Also there could be a reason why you would want 4 777 flights as opposed to one A380 flight - lets say business travellers for example who prefer the flexibility.
I honestly believe that the A380 will not be as successful as the 747. I think that it is just a little too big.
If you are an airline that does not forecast a constant high passenger load 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, then you have ample aircraft to chose from. 772ER/773ER A330, A345/6.
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Like it or not, the A380 has a place in the market.
Unfortunately the market is unable to support and maintain that place. It is a niche, a very small niche. SIA, QF and others know it and as it suits them they will exploit it, but that will not help generate a major market for the type. Long, thin, high density routes is what it is best at and they are limited.
The A380 is, like it or not, a dead duck.