What do you think of this kind of Pilot?
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What do you think of this kind of Pilot?
One of my supervisors at work is a Microsoft Flight Sim pilot. He thinks he can fly any kind of airplane in real life if he has flown it in the sim!
Please tell me this is not true...I work at Heathrow and we deal pilots allot. Everytime he sees a pilot he starts talking "professionally" like how he flew to Hong Kong, the weather was terrible or they had to change plan. The pilots do get impressed at the begining, but when they find out that all of his experiences were gained in the Sim, they just walk-off or try to end the conversation. But this doesnt put him off at all. He says he has been flying the simulator for the last 8years. He also does 'real time' flying. 8 hrs, 10hrs even 12hrs at times sitting in front of a computer.
So what do you think of a person like this?
Have you had any experience of someone showing great interest in Sims?
Please tell me this is not true...I work at Heathrow and we deal pilots allot. Everytime he sees a pilot he starts talking "professionally" like how he flew to Hong Kong, the weather was terrible or they had to change plan. The pilots do get impressed at the begining, but when they find out that all of his experiences were gained in the Sim, they just walk-off or try to end the conversation. But this doesnt put him off at all. He says he has been flying the simulator for the last 8years. He also does 'real time' flying. 8 hrs, 10hrs even 12hrs at times sitting in front of a computer.
So what do you think of a person like this?
Have you had any experience of someone showing great interest in Sims?
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As an instructor, I have found that the flight-sim pilots are generally in the lower end of the skill range when it comes to real flying. They may know all the theory, but have appreciation for the "feel" of an aircraft.
(sitting in from of a computer for 8 hours, is nature's way of telling you that you need to get out more.)
(sitting in from of a computer for 8 hours, is nature's way of telling you that you need to get out more.)
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As I said on another thread, I haven't met any real pilots - including myself - that can fly the aircraft on MSFS. In particular, when I try to take off in that Lear, it just banks over to the right and dives straight in....
Anyway, my view is that anyone who can fly MSFS shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any real aircraft.
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Anyway, my view is that anyone who can fly MSFS shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any real aircraft.
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Ok guys, for what it's worth. I wanted to be a pilot but circumstances prevented me from pursuing that goal. Flying thousands of hours as pax I have never lost interest in aviation. A year ago I purchased FS. It has provided me with lots of fun but I appreciate that it's a piece of pi*s compared to the real thing. Nevertheless, it has helped me to comprehend a great deal more than before and I am much more "aware" of what's going on when I ride JS. I would of course love to try it out on a real sim although I am fearful that A VERY CIVIL PILOT may well be right and I would embarrass myself. Anyway, at 50 I'm too old to start a new career so let me enjoy my little fantasy on FS. Incidentally I promise not to mention FS if I'm riding on your jumpseat .
P.S. I don't sit for 8 hours on it!!
.P.S. I don't sit for 8 hours on it!!
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This guy needs to be told two things.
1. He needs a life.
2. MFS is only a game. No one gets killed when you crash when playing.
Personally, when you've flown under the Golden Gate bridge twenty times in the 737, it looses it's appeal. I can't think of anything duller than flying route real time in a sim. MS Combat Sim is much more fun - things blow up - and that's only a game as well!
1. He needs a life.
2. MFS is only a game. No one gets killed when you crash when playing.
Personally, when you've flown under the Golden Gate bridge twenty times in the 737, it looses it's appeal. I can't think of anything duller than flying route real time in a sim. MS Combat Sim is much more fun - things blow up - and that's only a game as well!
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Do you guys use the keyboard or the joystick? 
I use the keys. I find that its easier. I dont think the program is much use other than it applies some glossary terms. Im not a pilot but I think I could fly a C182 without much problem.
I wonder how many of you would fly missions on MSFS if you somehow never became real pilots?
I can fly the heavies pretty good on the sim but Id fly a real one quite poorly. Youd have to evacuate the town. Not only that but trying to follow ATC direction would be difficult. Surely theyd tell me to fly right heading 020 and Id bank about 85 degrees, stall, and lose 7000 feet. If I ever got level again Id fly to the border to avoid imprisonment.
I think the biggest problem with the sim is that it feels like your about 12 inches tall sitting in that seat.
If anyone will set me up with a ride in the front sometime, I'll turn off the computer and I promise not to mention MSFS unless you ask.
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I use the keys. I find that its easier. I dont think the program is much use other than it applies some glossary terms. Im not a pilot but I think I could fly a C182 without much problem.
I wonder how many of you would fly missions on MSFS if you somehow never became real pilots?
I can fly the heavies pretty good on the sim but Id fly a real one quite poorly. Youd have to evacuate the town. Not only that but trying to follow ATC direction would be difficult. Surely theyd tell me to fly right heading 020 and Id bank about 85 degrees, stall, and lose 7000 feet. If I ever got level again Id fly to the border to avoid imprisonment.
I think the biggest problem with the sim is that it feels like your about 12 inches tall sitting in that seat.
If anyone will set me up with a ride in the front sometime, I'll turn off the computer and I promise not to mention MSFS unless you ask.
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Guv ;
I tought I was the only one who couldn't do the right things on that thing (MSFS)
Dan ;
Yeah....blow things up! That at least is fun!!!
I say he get's a shrink asap!
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I tought I was the only one who couldn't do the right things on that thing (MSFS)
Dan ;
Yeah....blow things up! That at least is fun!!!
I say he get's a shrink asap!
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No, MSFS definitely ain't the real thing so, not surprisingly, it has never been a topic of discussion on my flight deck. But I'd have thought that anyone spending 8-12 hrs at it has a serious "people skills" problem, at the very least. He needs a life ... any other life would be better!
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I'm in my 737, 100 feet above the runway, comming in for a very nice landing.
Suddenly the plane is hanging still in midair. I'm very surprised. What is happening?!? 30 seconds later I bang onto the ground with an incredible high vertical speed when I start moving again, and I crash.
Luckily it was not real life, but only FS2000, where the computer starts loading scenery at the most inconvenient time
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Suddenly the plane is hanging still in midair. I'm very surprised. What is happening?!? 30 seconds later I bang onto the ground with an incredible high vertical speed when I start moving again, and I crash.
Luckily it was not real life, but only FS2000, where the computer starts loading scenery at the most inconvenient time
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[This message has been edited by JBravo (edited 24 July 2000).]
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I think it is VERY realistic.. On FS2000 you take off from Heathrow, get the Autopilot set up, Have a nice cup of hot chocolate, get comfortable in your seat, set the alarm clock for say 7hrs later and have a nice relaxing sleep..
You wake up refreshed and make a slick landing at O'Hare. Just like the real thing!!!!
At weekends I fly Heathrow to Bangkok as I like to sleep in late...
You wake up refreshed and make a slick landing at O'Hare. Just like the real thing!!!!
At weekends I fly Heathrow to Bangkok as I like to sleep in late...
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C'mon guys, I think you're giving MSFS a bad rap. OK, before I start, I do have my PPL, and I will eventually get my ATPL (another 8-10years or so). But for the record, I did and still do enjoy MSFS. When I was 12, it was the closest thing I got to real flying. When finally did start with the real thing, it did wonders for my instrument scan (although it was actually detremental in terms of an outside lookout). Now that I have my license, I find it's great for instrument work and navigation technique. Furthermore, it's very nice to have full FMS/EICAS system when all you have in real life is a shnatty little ADF needle. And yes, I do fly real time flights, but I takeoff, setup on course, then do something that will occupy my time for 8 hours (sleep, school, work, whatever) then return to my PC and land again. I do think that sitting there watching the sim fly for you for 8 hours is not exactly an efficient use of one's time.
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Some people do that virtual airline thing. fly routes everyday real time. Probably 4 days on 4 days off and no pay!
I hear that FS2000 is not a good format. Its got alot of scenery glitches like was mentioned. FS98 is supposedly the best.
I always wanted to know if real pilots crashed the FS--I suspected they did. I think the ILS on FS is too inaccurate to ever work. I'll be on rwy heading/position, get within 5 seconds and I've drifted in position of the taxiway. I always think of my last plane trip to BOS. Visibility was the poorest Ive seen (you know, the wings disappear, you kinda wonder if youre in a time warp). Glad the ILS worked. (its always interesting flying to a new city, especially when you cant see it until youre 200 ft off the ground)
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I hear that FS2000 is not a good format. Its got alot of scenery glitches like was mentioned. FS98 is supposedly the best.
I always wanted to know if real pilots crashed the FS--I suspected they did. I think the ILS on FS is too inaccurate to ever work. I'll be on rwy heading/position, get within 5 seconds and I've drifted in position of the taxiway. I always think of my last plane trip to BOS. Visibility was the poorest Ive seen (you know, the wings disappear, you kinda wonder if youre in a time warp). Glad the ILS worked. (its always interesting flying to a new city, especially when you cant see it until youre 200 ft off the ground)
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ILS????????
I ain't found that button yet!!!
*whispering* To be honest I can do a takeoff in Concorde and I can never get supersonic.. In fact I have 165 on the speedometer (I don't think that is what it is really called) I got re-heat on and I keep getting an "overspeed" warning... OVERSPEED??? there is a speed limit?
I have NEVER managed to get to the coast yet. I keep running out of fuel, however I can't find the thingy that puts the wheels up either!!!!
I ain't found that button yet!!!
*whispering* To be honest I can do a takeoff in Concorde and I can never get supersonic.. In fact I have 165 on the speedometer (I don't think that is what it is really called) I got re-heat on and I keep getting an "overspeed" warning... OVERSPEED??? there is a speed limit?
I have NEVER managed to get to the coast yet. I keep running out of fuel, however I can't find the thingy that puts the wheels up either!!!!
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Hi Guys ,
If you want a LOT more "real" try PS1.3 from Aerowinx (www.aerowinx.com) This is a VERY complex sim of the 747-400 in systems , flight modellling and FMC . Many real world '400 pilots give testimonials to its accuracy on the website.
I am only a PPL , but after using this then visiting the 747-400 sim @cranebank , I felt right at home <g>
Obviously the "feel" is not there , but as far as I can see all other things are modelled very accurately.
I Use the "Big Boeing FMC Users Guide" from Bulfer, and it ALL translates in PS1.3
Any real 747-400 pilots tried it who would like to comment?
Cheers
Bill Padley
London
If you want a LOT more "real" try PS1.3 from Aerowinx (www.aerowinx.com) This is a VERY complex sim of the 747-400 in systems , flight modellling and FMC . Many real world '400 pilots give testimonials to its accuracy on the website.
I am only a PPL , but after using this then visiting the 747-400 sim @cranebank , I felt right at home <g>
Obviously the "feel" is not there , but as far as I can see all other things are modelled very accurately.
I Use the "Big Boeing FMC Users Guide" from Bulfer, and it ALL translates in PS1.3
Any real 747-400 pilots tried it who would like to comment?
Cheers
Bill Padley
London