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Agree with Guv. Hit the nail on the head. A shame that this excellent bb has been hijacked by a bunch of ignoramous-nought-to-do-with-aviation peasants.
Excuse my direct thoughts.
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I salute you for your words of wisdom. The eloquence of a true professional.
Might I add that this 'profession' of ours, including many on this forum, is wrought with ego-maniacs. Those without the courage to accept piloting an aeroplane for what it is.
Training for the unexpected can fill us, even overwhelm us, with overconfidence. To the point of cockiness. Be suspicious of those among us who haven't the ability to differentiate.
I for one have been humbled by both simulator and aeroplane a sufficient number of times during my professional flying career to know that it is much wiser to check ones ego at the door, lest Murphy remind you of just how limited your abilities REALLY are.
I go intentionally out of my way during simulation instruction to avoid letting my students 'crash'. Perhaps this is a somewhat naieve approach, but IMHO it serves no useful purpose in my mind other than to shake the confidence of crews entrusted to transport the travelling public from A to B. How can I return a crew to line flying having faced the prospect that in such an extreme situation, they failed to survive? To read your comments on how it affected you might prove my point.
To me the net result is nothing but negative training.
The egotists among us will never see it that way...
in fact, they will continue to scoff at those they perceive to be less 'worthy' of their wings. Scoff at others whom they deem to be not worthy of their services and abilities. Not 'paying' a sufficient enough wage for their professional skills...
what a load of twaddle.
The loss of any human life, however it happens, is tragic. The smart remarks read over the last couple of years in this forum by some who 'know it all' amazes me.
But, it doesn't surprise me.
Welcome to the World Wide Web.
[ 31 August 2001: Message edited by: Willie Everlearn ]
[ 31 August 2001: Message edited by: Willie Everlearn ]
I salute you for your words of wisdom. The eloquence of a true professional.
Might I add that this 'profession' of ours, including many on this forum, is wrought with ego-maniacs. Those without the courage to accept piloting an aeroplane for what it is.
Training for the unexpected can fill us, even overwhelm us, with overconfidence. To the point of cockiness. Be suspicious of those among us who haven't the ability to differentiate.
I for one have been humbled by both simulator and aeroplane a sufficient number of times during my professional flying career to know that it is much wiser to check ones ego at the door, lest Murphy remind you of just how limited your abilities REALLY are.
I go intentionally out of my way during simulation instruction to avoid letting my students 'crash'. Perhaps this is a somewhat naieve approach, but IMHO it serves no useful purpose in my mind other than to shake the confidence of crews entrusted to transport the travelling public from A to B. How can I return a crew to line flying having faced the prospect that in such an extreme situation, they failed to survive? To read your comments on how it affected you might prove my point.
To me the net result is nothing but negative training.
The egotists among us will never see it that way...
in fact, they will continue to scoff at those they perceive to be less 'worthy' of their wings. Scoff at others whom they deem to be not worthy of their services and abilities. Not 'paying' a sufficient enough wage for their professional skills...
what a load of twaddle.
The loss of any human life, however it happens, is tragic. The smart remarks read over the last couple of years in this forum by some who 'know it all' amazes me.
But, it doesn't surprise me.
Welcome to the World Wide Web.
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That was the best most moving posting I have ever read on this bulletin board. Good for you. It should be required reading before Danny allows anyone to post. I have nothing but the utmost admiration for you. Your sentiments are mine entirely.
That was the best most moving posting I have ever read on this bulletin board. Good for you. It should be required reading before Danny allows anyone to post. I have nothing but the utmost admiration for you. Your sentiments are mine entirely.
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£6,
A great posting mate. But then its no more that I expected from you to be honest. Anyone who went to your presentation at the June GATBASH will probably agree with me (your style/demeanour).
Such honesty about your recent sim experience too. I've have bad days whilst I'm training for my humble PPL but to have people like yourself write-up your 'bad days'is to be applauded.
At the end of the day we are all human, all make mistakes and all have weaknesses...
A great posting mate. But then its no more that I expected from you to be honest. Anyone who went to your presentation at the June GATBASH will probably agree with me (your style/demeanour).
Such honesty about your recent sim experience too. I've have bad days whilst I'm training for my humble PPL but to have people like yourself write-up your 'bad days'is to be applauded.
At the end of the day we are all human, all make mistakes and all have weaknesses...
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Six Quid... I'm REALLY glad you didn't sit on that for 24 hours! I found myself reading it over and over. True eloquence in action, points well made ... I wholehearatedly agree that it should become part of the required reading for everyone, before they're allowed to sign up here.
Busta... can you possibly have any doubt now, as to why you should stay here with us?
Busta... can you possibly have any doubt now, as to why you should stay here with us?
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Fascinating post from Mr £6!!
Level D sims really are realistic then...!!!
Presume you passed the A320 course?
Just out of interest - do you prefer it to Boeing's products??
That's why we all surf this site - posts like this should be preserved for the nation IMHO.....
Level D sims really are realistic then...!!!
Presume you passed the A320 course?
Just out of interest - do you prefer it to Boeing's products??
That's why we all surf this site - posts like this should be preserved for the nation IMHO.....
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Unbelievable......
What can you possibly say after reading something like that?
Squid....congratulations on rendering me speechleess.
A first I believe
Kindest Regards
GoGirl
What can you possibly say after reading something like that?
Squid....congratulations on rendering me speechleess.
A first I believe
Kindest Regards
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Agree with all the sentiments - well said Squid.
However, to limit this board as some have suggested to only those who are 'professional aviation' is short-sighted and unrealistic. Many Pruners, like myself, may not currently be employed directly in aviation, but have either worked for an airline, or been connected with airlines / aviation since childhood. Having also been a frequent passenger (between 5 and 15 trips per month), and being responsible for a large travel budget, I'm very interested in what is happening behind the scenes so to speak.
To exclude all those who do not fit some narrow parameters would be self-defeating and lose a vital part of Prune. And would it solve the problem of unwanted posts - are all pilots as eloquent and rational as £6.
However, to limit this board as some have suggested to only those who are 'professional aviation' is short-sighted and unrealistic. Many Pruners, like myself, may not currently be employed directly in aviation, but have either worked for an airline, or been connected with airlines / aviation since childhood. Having also been a frequent passenger (between 5 and 15 trips per month), and being responsible for a large travel budget, I'm very interested in what is happening behind the scenes so to speak.
To exclude all those who do not fit some narrow parameters would be self-defeating and lose a vital part of Prune. And would it solve the problem of unwanted posts - are all pilots as eloquent and rational as £6.
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Well said SS. It came right from the heart, and has clearly shown the way to everyone's heart. Indeed, few will not be moved by it - just as it should be.
See Busta! Life's a bitch on ocassions, and rising above whatever made you feel so angry is a not as difficult as you imagine. SS got an unecessary tirade on the Concorde thread, but he now comes back with something that will make the other guy look like a complete prat! Doesn't that make you feel better? It makes me feel GREAT!
See Busta! Life's a bitch on ocassions, and rising above whatever made you feel so angry is a not as difficult as you imagine. SS got an unecessary tirade on the Concorde thread, but he now comes back with something that will make the other guy look like a complete prat! Doesn't that make you feel better? It makes me feel GREAT!
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Fantastic post Sick Squid! Marvellous.
Aside from the rational approach to bulletin boards, you so eloqently wrote about, I found it very interesting to read about the artistic nature in a personality coming through when you perhaps don't want it too. By 'artistic nature' I mean in the sense that feelings sometimes overpower usual thought processes in a flash. Nice to know I'm not the only one who has to try and kerb it sometimes!
But I feel I may be a little too unemotional on this board sometimes - going totally the other way. I hope I'll get the balance right someday just as you have.
You made an inspirational post there, especially for me, at the stage I'm at in my career I really do appreciate reading your posts and learning.
Top notch stuff mate.
VFE.
Aside from the rational approach to bulletin boards, you so eloqently wrote about, I found it very interesting to read about the artistic nature in a personality coming through when you perhaps don't want it too. By 'artistic nature' I mean in the sense that feelings sometimes overpower usual thought processes in a flash. Nice to know I'm not the only one who has to try and kerb it sometimes!
But I feel I may be a little too unemotional on this board sometimes - going totally the other way. I hope I'll get the balance right someday just as you have.
You made an inspirational post there, especially for me, at the stage I'm at in my career I really do appreciate reading your posts and learning.
Top notch stuff mate.
VFE.
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A truly eloquent and inspirational post £6. I am proud to have you as a friend and a colleague. It would be an honour to buy you a beer.
Best Wishes
Airclues
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Best Wishes
Airclues
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Excellent post mate. That young cygnet from a few years back has certainly grown into a swan !!
A pleasure knowing you, beers at the GatBash are a dead cert
Excellent post mate. That young cygnet from a few years back has certainly grown into a swan !!
A pleasure knowing you, beers at the GatBash are a dead cert
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Well done £6, that was an excellent post and I hope Busta read it. I agree with you and I can also see where Busta is coming from. I've personally fought with a lot of people on PPRuNe and have been called every name under the sun and I've read with dismay a lot of posts which I couldn't even bother to reply to, look at the Dunnunda forum for example at some of the inane suggestions from people as to what to do with the 'Tampa.'
That's PPRuNe for you, you'll read outrageous stuff, you'll dissagree with a common consensus and be crucified for it, you'll try to start an intelligent discussion and watch it degenerate into a playschool scrap and you'll ask innocent questions and be crapped on like you wouldn't believe.
But for gods sake Busta,
stay, never give up your ability and right to speak your mind. Get stuck in, make an argument, hang your b***s out there and never mind the flack, because it is worth it in the end because you would have contributed something and that matters. £6 is right, many of these guys engage in a lot of macho posturing, shouting their mouths off behind the warm blanket of anonymity that PPRuNe provides. I think in the flesh a lot of these people would turn out to be OK.
And remember the old line, "don't let the bast**ds grind you down!"
That's PPRuNe for you, you'll read outrageous stuff, you'll dissagree with a common consensus and be crucified for it, you'll try to start an intelligent discussion and watch it degenerate into a playschool scrap and you'll ask innocent questions and be crapped on like you wouldn't believe.
But for gods sake Busta,
stay, never give up your ability and right to speak your mind. Get stuck in, make an argument, hang your b***s out there and never mind the flack, because it is worth it in the end because you would have contributed something and that matters. £6 is right, many of these guys engage in a lot of macho posturing, shouting their mouths off behind the warm blanket of anonymity that PPRuNe provides. I think in the flesh a lot of these people would turn out to be OK.
And remember the old line, "don't let the bast**ds grind you down!"
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£6,
Sensaish post mate. I can relate in oh so many ways. Well done for expressing your thoughts. I'll join the queue to buy you a beer.
Sharing your successes increases them 10 fold, sharing your woes, diminishes them too. I have found that the PPRuNe community to be a very warm and genuine support network. Sure, there are some dickheads but you get that in life.
Here's to all the people in PPRuNe that make it all worthwhile
Sensaish post mate. I can relate in oh so many ways. Well done for expressing your thoughts. I'll join the queue to buy you a beer.
Sharing your successes increases them 10 fold, sharing your woes, diminishes them too. I have found that the PPRuNe community to be a very warm and genuine support network. Sure, there are some dickheads but you get that in life.
Here's to all the people in PPRuNe that make it all worthwhile
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£6. That was without doubt the most eloquent, moving and heartfelt post I have ever had the pleasure to read. I think the case for the defence rests. . .
Hope to force yet another pint down you at Christmas!
Hope to force yet another pint down you at Christmas!
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Thanks everyone for the very kind words in response to my post... very much appreciated! Returned from another trip last night and was blown away with the reaction. I just hope it plays a small part in keeping Busta, whose thread this is, on the board and contributing a while longer.
Thank you.
£6
Thank you.
£6