British Airways another inflight smoke event!
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British Airways another inflight smoke event!
The third emergency landing by a British Airways aircraft in just one week! This is now way beyond a joke, there must be something very serious going on at that airline.
As for all the BA PR bunch who will jump on this thread, for the sake of public safety, lets discuss this building safety issue.
Read article at; LINK
2. British Airways to Delhi (11th October 08)
3. British Airways 777 to Denver (5th October 08)
As for all the BA PR bunch who will jump on this thread, for the sake of public safety, lets discuss this building safety issue.
Read article at; LINK
2. British Airways to Delhi (11th October 08)
3. British Airways 777 to Denver (5th October 08)
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It states fumes not smoke. Blue Ray you really do seem to have a problem with BA as you take every oppertunity to criticise them for virtually everything I hope you not blaming us for the banking crisis.
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Now Blueray you do suprise me, fancy you being anti-British Airways. It does make me wonder just what British Airways has done to you in the past, rejected at interview?? Wife run off with a BA Pilot?? Dumped by one of our Crew?? or maybe coming from Manchester one of the staff who were made redundant at that base?? I would love to know the motivation for your constant attempts to bring this airlines reputation into disrepute. Once again another non-story, pilots were made aware of an electrical fault en-route, decided it was safer to get it looked at so landed at an airport that has British Airways engineering cover. No great suprise that the usual 'Passengers in mid air terror' headlines have surfaced. Blueray, who do you work for, I am proud to work for British Airways, how about telling us who you work for and then we can scrutinise thier operations as well. In the interests of fairness of course
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Have you only done 36 postings? It seems so much more.
In a social gathering, your one party trick would have worn off ages ago.
How about a bit of constructive criticism, do comparisons with other airlines with meaningful statistics. You might, just might, get a more positive response from fellow contributors!
Have you only done 36 postings? It seems so much more.
In a social gathering, your one party trick would have worn off ages ago.
How about a bit of constructive criticism, do comparisons with other airlines with meaningful statistics. You might, just might, get a more positive response from fellow contributors!
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It says fumes not smoke! Oh that's ok then, how I'm happy your not commanding my flight anytime soon. Don't worry folks, its only fumes in the cabin.
As for tandem - I would agree BA's current safety record is becomming quite a yawn. Must be terribly boring to have this repeated 3 times in 1 week. Instead of yawning, you would hope those responsible for safety at BA would wake up and do something.
Artificial horizon - there is no need for me to bring British Airways into disrepute (and not my intention,just reporting a growing adverse safety trend). British Airways have become expert at the art of disrepute all on their own.
As for tandem - I would agree BA's current safety record is becomming quite a yawn. Must be terribly boring to have this repeated 3 times in 1 week. Instead of yawning, you would hope those responsible for safety at BA would wake up and do something.
Artificial horizon - there is no need for me to bring British Airways into disrepute (and not my intention,just reporting a growing adverse safety trend). British Airways have become expert at the art of disrepute all on their own.
The 757 has a know problem with fumes from engine oil getting into the packs. Every operator has problems with them.
Bluray, run the number of sectors flown by BA compared to the number of events they have. Then do the same for the other major airlines. I don't think you realise how many sectors a day they fly.
Get a life
Bluray, run the number of sectors flown by BA compared to the number of events they have. Then do the same for the other major airlines. I don't think you realise how many sectors a day they fly.
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Calm down Bro.......
These are 3 precautionary landing that the flight crew have decided to make in the interests of safety. These sorts of events are surprisingly frequent among ALL airlines around the world. The only special thing about these particular ones is that despite global economic doom and gloom it has been a quiet day for news and the media have run with it.
A newsworthy story would have been if there were smoke / fume events and the aircraft didn't divert!
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Calm down Bro.......
These are 3 precautionary landing that the flight crew have decided to make in the interests of safety. These sorts of events are surprisingly frequent among ALL airlines around the world. The only special thing about these particular ones is that despite global economic doom and gloom it has been a quiet day for news and the media have run with it.
A newsworthy story would have been if there were smoke / fume events and the aircraft didn't divert!
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Blue Ray; where are you coming from ?
To summarise:
Number of planes affected 3
Number of planes seriously damaged 0
Number of passengers injured 0
Number of sensible decisions made 3
Would you prefer a pilot who ignored fire warnings, or reports of fumes ?
To summarise:
Number of planes affected 3
Number of planes seriously damaged 0
Number of passengers injured 0
Number of sensible decisions made 3
Would you prefer a pilot who ignored fire warnings, or reports of fumes ?
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When one considers the size of BA's fleet, it's suprising this does'nt happen more often. I am much happier with a crew calling in a problem rather than overlooking potential trouble for reputations sake. I have flown hundreds of flights on BA and their pax saftety culture is first class even if their service is not !.
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I think blueray has a point and a quick look elsewhere seems to support the notion that things possibly aren't quite right at BA.
Qantas have always maintained that they are incredibly safe and standards were second to none (just as BA do) until the recent incidents and now we have CASA stating that things could be better.
XL flew over an hour on one engine when the nearest airport was 20 minutes away. I raised the issue of xl, their financial stability and the fact that maintenance was available an hour away but not 20 minutes. Despite the outcry defending the crew, I rest my case. Too many companies have cut back too far. Those who praise BA and its ability to make money should take a look at the broader picture.
If they have made so much money, why so many cancelled flights, why so many lost bags and what else are they cutting. Profit yes, at any cost...NO
IF and I say IF there are issues you do nobody any favours by bleating on about journo's and claiming everything is OK. Let the issues come out, let BA deal with them.
Personally I suspect the truth in this case lies somewhere in the middle, just like Qantas. There are issues, they need addressing but otherwise everything is fine.
Qantas have always maintained that they are incredibly safe and standards were second to none (just as BA do) until the recent incidents and now we have CASA stating that things could be better.
XL flew over an hour on one engine when the nearest airport was 20 minutes away. I raised the issue of xl, their financial stability and the fact that maintenance was available an hour away but not 20 minutes. Despite the outcry defending the crew, I rest my case. Too many companies have cut back too far. Those who praise BA and its ability to make money should take a look at the broader picture.
If they have made so much money, why so many cancelled flights, why so many lost bags and what else are they cutting. Profit yes, at any cost...NO
IF and I say IF there are issues you do nobody any favours by bleating on about journo's and claiming everything is OK. Let the issues come out, let BA deal with them.
Personally I suspect the truth in this case lies somewhere in the middle, just like Qantas. There are issues, they need addressing but otherwise everything is fine.
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Bongo, where is it that I have said a bad decision by the pilots???? I would agree the professionalism of the BA flight crew is second to none. The issue is here that 3 times in one week, British Airways pilots have had to take evasive emergency action.
We all know about the Swiss cheese model for disasters. Also the more high level incidents an airline has the more it courts those loss of life/hull events. And i haven't seen any other such events reported in the news for other airlines. Seems a very BA peculiar situation.
We all know about the Swiss cheese model for disasters. Also the more high level incidents an airline has the more it courts those loss of life/hull events. And i haven't seen any other such events reported in the news for other airlines. Seems a very BA peculiar situation.
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BlueRay - you need to get your facts right!
First incident was burning smell from an IFE display.
Second incident was electrical fault alerted to the crew by cockpit alarm (again in connection with IFE system)
Recent incident is fumes event.
It's also worth reiterating that the IFE problems this week are relatively insignificant (although based on the Swissair accident, the actions are quite understandable). The media are just stuck on two stories at the moment. Air travel and economic failure.
Edit - Also, where in that article from the Independent, or this one from the BBC, does it specifically say "emergency landing"?
BBC NEWS | England | London | BA flight makes priority landing
First incident was burning smell from an IFE display.
Second incident was electrical fault alerted to the crew by cockpit alarm (again in connection with IFE system)
Recent incident is fumes event.
It's also worth reiterating that the IFE problems this week are relatively insignificant (although based on the Swissair accident, the actions are quite understandable). The media are just stuck on two stories at the moment. Air travel and economic failure.
Edit - Also, where in that article from the Independent, or this one from the BBC, does it specifically say "emergency landing"?
BBC NEWS | England | London | BA flight makes priority landing
The first two events were IFE faults in seats. These are non maintained systems (as in every airline) provided by a 3rd party. The IFE in most BA aircraft is almost brand new as they have just installed a new video on demand system.
The third event is a known problem with the type (with every airline with the same engines).
I don't see a trend the airline is responsible for.
Quit grinding that axe or there'll be nothing of it left!
The third event is a known problem with the type (with every airline with the same engines).
I don't see a trend the airline is responsible for.
Quit grinding that axe or there'll be nothing of it left!
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what becomes increasingly worrying is how all the BA bunch come out defending a safety record only a third world operator would be proud.
I just spoke to a friend who wORKS at ba, admittedly he's unhappy there, but he did say this. BA have about 2yrs ago increased the intervals in their maintenance schedules, particularily on the 777. This means things like ife go longer without being looked at. They think it was introduced as a cost cutting measure.
Locked door- your incorrect about the ba IFE system being new, just the players are new, my friend at ba has reliably informed me. All the seat units are the same. You could be right about these systems not being maintained, hence the problem. And for a ba person to say anything on an aircraft has no maintenance plan shows your lack of knowledge. Oh one last thing i did laugh when you said as the system not made by ba your not responsible for it going wrong. You said the same thing about the bag system at terminal 5! Maybe when the aircraft goes wrong you can blame boeing or airbus!
Remember, fly british airways, the responsible airline. Anytime anything goes wrong, they're not responsible!
Could that explain these events? Could these events be the effect of this increased interval in maintenance checks?
I just spoke to a friend who wORKS at ba, admittedly he's unhappy there, but he did say this. BA have about 2yrs ago increased the intervals in their maintenance schedules, particularily on the 777. This means things like ife go longer without being looked at. They think it was introduced as a cost cutting measure.
Locked door- your incorrect about the ba IFE system being new, just the players are new, my friend at ba has reliably informed me. All the seat units are the same. You could be right about these systems not being maintained, hence the problem. And for a ba person to say anything on an aircraft has no maintenance plan shows your lack of knowledge. Oh one last thing i did laugh when you said as the system not made by ba your not responsible for it going wrong. You said the same thing about the bag system at terminal 5! Maybe when the aircraft goes wrong you can blame boeing or airbus!
Remember, fly british airways, the responsible airline. Anytime anything goes wrong, they're not responsible!
Could that explain these events? Could these events be the effect of this increased interval in maintenance checks?
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How is making an emergency landing to prevent another Swissair accident mean an airline has "a safety record that only a third world operator would be proud"??
You really are an idiot...
You really are an idiot...
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BlueRay, with the exception for a ryanair post you only seem to have commented on the following threads :
British Airways another inflight smoke event!
BA flight to Delhi diverts into Berlin due technical problems
BA rocked as 500 top bosses quit
British Airways 777 routes
BA staff arrested
BA038 (B777) Thread
The trouble with British Airways
BA 777 evacuates at KORD
Porridge for BA manager
You have no credibility. What's your problem? Have you failed a BA selection in the past? If so, that proves the selection works - we don't need a bitter, twisted person like you working at BA. Nor does any airline for that matter.
Regarding BA's safety record, I'm not even going to get into a discussion here. Suffice to say that anyone who's opinion counts (BA employee or not) KNOWS that BA's safety record and standards are second to none.
British Airways another inflight smoke event!
BA flight to Delhi diverts into Berlin due technical problems
BA rocked as 500 top bosses quit
British Airways 777 routes
BA staff arrested
BA038 (B777) Thread
The trouble with British Airways
BA 777 evacuates at KORD
Porridge for BA manager
You have no credibility. What's your problem? Have you failed a BA selection in the past? If so, that proves the selection works - we don't need a bitter, twisted person like you working at BA. Nor does any airline for that matter.
Regarding BA's safety record, I'm not even going to get into a discussion here. Suffice to say that anyone who's opinion counts (BA employee or not) KNOWS that BA's safety record and standards are second to none.