Routes That Dont Exist But Could Be Proiftable To An Airline
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To quote the film if you make it they will come and use it. You can make any route work and you can fill aircraft. The trick is being able to make the route pay. Theory also if you have one large chunk of population and you offer a service to another large chunk of population some one will go if the fare is right. Come on with the ideas.
Dont knock a 15 year old. We where all 15 once just some of us it was a long time ago. When i was a fifteen year old i decided i want to work in the airline world. Not bad i have been playing with planes for 30 years now
Dont knock a 15 year old. We where all 15 once just some of us it was a long time ago. When i was a fifteen year old i decided i want to work in the airline world. Not bad i have been playing with planes for 30 years now
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Jet 22, I agree with you LHRKUL - it was pulled years back by BA, but it should now work on a 772. I guess there are other routes which will make more money ahead of this on the wish list though. Ignore the 15 y/o comments - everyone was 15 once - I was on airliners.net from the age of 16
If the fuel prices weren't so high I'm sure there would be a large number of s/h and l/h routes that would work, but it's pretty limited now. Always a problem with getting premium yields in non LON airports for l/h though which makes anything outside of LON difficult!
I totally disagree with the Flybe and Easyjet LGWMAN comments - Jet2 couldnt make it work, and numbers are in decline due to the train!
More LCY routes would work as it's growing on some routes where other LON airports are in decline, GCI and a better JER should work + a few other european dests.
If the fuel prices weren't so high I'm sure there would be a large number of s/h and l/h routes that would work, but it's pretty limited now. Always a problem with getting premium yields in non LON airports for l/h though which makes anything outside of LON difficult!
I totally disagree with the Flybe and Easyjet LGWMAN comments - Jet2 couldnt make it work, and numbers are in decline due to the train!
More LCY routes would work as it's growing on some routes where other LON airports are in decline, GCI and a better JER should work + a few other european dests.
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There are apparently only two non-stops/day Bangkok - Jakarta: one each Thai and Garuda. Would have thought the market could support much more. I presume there is a restrictive bilateral agreement in force.
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Pyongyang - Seoul (only joking)
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Pyongyang - Seoul (only joking)
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Id have thought a MAN-SFO/LAX could work now. There always seems to be plenty of people transiting either through the MAN-USA routes, or through europe (LHR/CDG/AMS/FRA) to get there. Surely it could support 1 flight on a 4x weekly basis at least!
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If the fuel prices weren't so high I'm sure there would be a large number of s/h and l/h routes that would work, but it's pretty limited now. Always a problem with getting premium yields in non LON airports for l/h though which makes anything outside of LON difficult!
LHR hasnt got that many South American Destinations because most either got via MAD(OW) or via FRA(*). I think that it would be nice to SCL added to the destination list with maybe a 3 weekly flight with a 772. Again this is not viable because of the oil prices but if it was do you think it would work.
Appriciation to those who have suppourted me by saying it dosnt matter about your age etc. I just have one thing to say. I aint going to lower my standards and start insulting these old men because at the end of the day they are not worth it. That is there view that all 15 year old dont know nothing let them stick to it i aint bothered. Let me tell them though that us 15YR olds are alot more educated then they think.
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I don't want to go off topic too much or cause the masses to turn against us younger lot but I am 21 and I still get the attitude of "he's only 21, what does he know" thrown at me, usually by the likes of middle aged men and women who probably haven't gone through half of the education I have. So I'd just ignore the ignorant b*stards who think just because you are young you aren't allowed to have an opinion.
I don't want to go off topic too much or cause the masses to turn against us younger lot but I am 21 and I still get the attitude of "he's only 21, what does he know" thrown at me, usually by the likes of middle aged men and women who probably haven't gone through half of the education I have. So I'd just ignore the ignorant b*stards who think just because you are young you aren't allowed to have an opinion.
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I wish I could share your optimism for routes from MAN to the US west coast. It's my local airport, after all ! Unfortunately, I cannot see such a route coming to fruition for the foreseeable future.
You may recall that BA operated a 4 x weekly 767 between MAN and LAX during the early/mid 90's but it did'nt last long. Poor yields in J class, if I'm not mistaken. And, though its not the west coast, AA operated a daily MAN - DFW 767 service roundabout the turn of the millenium which met with a similar fate.
Being so far west, these airports are not going to provide the wealth of US connections that ORD, EWR, ATL and even PHL provide. There would need to be a lot of point to point traffic or connecting traffic to places in the far western US, Mexico, Hawaii and Australasia to make such a service viable. And, in the current climate at least, I just don't see that happening.
Maybe when the 787 is up and running things might change !
You may recall that BA operated a 4 x weekly 767 between MAN and LAX during the early/mid 90's but it did'nt last long. Poor yields in J class, if I'm not mistaken. And, though its not the west coast, AA operated a daily MAN - DFW 767 service roundabout the turn of the millenium which met with a similar fate.
Being so far west, these airports are not going to provide the wealth of US connections that ORD, EWR, ATL and even PHL provide. There would need to be a lot of point to point traffic or connecting traffic to places in the far western US, Mexico, Hawaii and Australasia to make such a service viable. And, in the current climate at least, I just don't see that happening.
Maybe when the 787 is up and running things might change !
Mr A Tis - I do agree with your point in general, today's inquisitive 15 year old may just be offering pilots a job in a few years who knows ... though call me cynical but I smell a little wind up here..
Think though about your own comment, regarding the 'people running' the airlines you list as failures in such negative terms. You are totally out of line and here is why.
These are the very people that gave many 'Ppruners' a start in aviation, carried millions of people safely to destinations across the World and created thousands of jobs. Without them 'taking the risk' and 'putting their money where their mouth is' no one would be going anywhere.
In many cases these are the people that started these airlines with help only from loyal teams whilst others did everyting to destroy them. They in the end were the ones that laid awake at night fighting to save their own necks and the jobs of the staff that have given so much only in many cases losing everything in doing what they believed to be right.
There is an old saying " The man that never made a mistake never made anything" and we all get it wrong sometimes.
You ask for some respect for our friend that started this thread, may I as someone that ran one of the airlines you list, please ask for a similar amount of respect from you.
If you are not already a successful airline executive may I suggest you have a go yourself and see what a walk in the park running an airline is ( NOT!!).
Thankyou - rant over.
PS; To refer to Dan Air, Air Europe etc as business failures is very wrong in my view.
Think though about your own comment, regarding the 'people running' the airlines you list as failures in such negative terms. You are totally out of line and here is why.
These are the very people that gave many 'Ppruners' a start in aviation, carried millions of people safely to destinations across the World and created thousands of jobs. Without them 'taking the risk' and 'putting their money where their mouth is' no one would be going anywhere.
In many cases these are the people that started these airlines with help only from loyal teams whilst others did everyting to destroy them. They in the end were the ones that laid awake at night fighting to save their own necks and the jobs of the staff that have given so much only in many cases losing everything in doing what they believed to be right.
There is an old saying " The man that never made a mistake never made anything" and we all get it wrong sometimes.
You ask for some respect for our friend that started this thread, may I as someone that ran one of the airlines you list, please ask for a similar amount of respect from you.
If you are not already a successful airline executive may I suggest you have a go yourself and see what a walk in the park running an airline is ( NOT!!).
Thankyou - rant over.
PS; To refer to Dan Air, Air Europe etc as business failures is very wrong in my view.
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The best idea is to keep all Major West Coast Ops from LHR/LGW (even if it does but people out). I think in todays world with high oil prices it wouldnt be viable at all and i think that they would loose more money then they will actually gain. OK it is nice to see a Airport an hour away from hwere i live get some US west coast ops but i just from a buisness prespective see this as a good long term business idea.
Another idea though would be to maybe divert one of the SFO flights or LAX into MAN to carry onto SFO or LAX. Or is that just a plain stupid idea. I think it is
Another idea though would be to maybe divert one of the SFO flights or LAX into MAN to carry onto SFO or LAX. Or is that just a plain stupid idea. I think it is
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Birmingham (that's BHX for those that insist on it) to the subcontinent. India and Pakistan have services, Bangladesh looks wide open. There is money to be made here.
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There are apparently only two non-stops/day Bangkok - Jakarta: one each Thai and Garuda.
Thai = 10x weekly
In addition:
Thai AirAsia = 1x daily
Indonesia AirAsia = 1x daily
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Bangladesh services
Both BHX and MAN could warrant services to Bangladesh.
Two airlines have plans to serve both cities as well as London. Royal Bengal, who have a domestic network within Bangladesh, and Air Sylhet, whose website remains under construction
. We will just have to wait and see !
BTW, Biman operated a Dhaka - DXB - MAN - JFK service a few years ago using DC - 10 - 30's. Biman continue service into LHR using A310-300's.
Two airlines have plans to serve both cities as well as London. Royal Bengal, who have a domestic network within Bangladesh, and Air Sylhet, whose website remains under construction
. We will just have to wait and see !BTW, Biman operated a Dhaka - DXB - MAN - JFK service a few years ago using DC - 10 - 30's. Biman continue service into LHR using A310-300's.
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STN - TFS
STN - FUE
STN - ACE
STN - LPA
How much longer do we have to wait for Ryanair or Easyjet to wake up?
STN - FUE
STN - ACE
STN - LPA
How much longer do we have to wait for Ryanair or Easyjet to wake up?
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Bah, forget all these routes from the UK. You oddballs on The Island have enough 
No, what we really need is a ten times a day service between SXF and AAL with low cost carriers. And as for profitability? I will save a lot on petrol
No, what we really need is a ten times a day service between SXF and AAL with low cost carriers. And as for profitability? I will save a lot on petrol