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I heard the Tri-Star overrun was due to some armour plating left in the hold under the cabin floor as the aircraft had operated either a series of Governmental or Royal VIP trips. This 'additional' weight was not removed when the aircraft was re-configured post trips and not included in the Aircraft Operating Weights. Consequently the aircraft was a good few tons heavier than the crew thought and made landing performance calculations for. Otherwise a fair post L/CONTROLLER.
Max Angle.
Your post speaks volumes about your confidence in your own abilities and the capabilities of your aircraft.
Max Angle.
Your post speaks volumes about your confidence in your own abilities and the capabilities of your aircraft.
leeds.flyer,
I recall the airport manager saying to the press "he landed there," pointing at the displaced threshold, "not there like all the others," pointing at the beginning of the runway.
If the braking action wasn't correct on the paving perhaps it was the airports fault.
I recall the airport manager saying to the press "he landed there," pointing at the displaced threshold, "not there like all the others," pointing at the beginning of the runway.
If the braking action wasn't correct on the paving perhaps it was the airports fault.
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I'm with Max Angle on this one!
I've operated into LBA many times over the years and don't think that anyone can deny that in some weather condition it is an airfield that will turn around and bite you.
It's certainly a great deal better since the runway was extended, but before that I beleive that BEA had a Viscount through the hedge at the roll-out end of 32 and BMA had a Viscount off the side in similar circumstances.
Being on a hill gives all sorts of odd perspective problems and it's not helped by the way in which when landing on 32, if you miss the hump, you end up floating above the downslope.
On 14, again you have an odd perspective, and there is a definate tendancy if you're not familiar with the place, to land deep.
I feel sure that someone will correct me on this, but Yeadon was where Avro's built the Lancasters and that it was anticipated that aircraft would never have to actually LAND there!
Right! Tin hat on, bunker doors closed! Heads down - INCOMING!
I've operated into LBA many times over the years and don't think that anyone can deny that in some weather condition it is an airfield that will turn around and bite you.
It's certainly a great deal better since the runway was extended, but before that I beleive that BEA had a Viscount through the hedge at the roll-out end of 32 and BMA had a Viscount off the side in similar circumstances.
Being on a hill gives all sorts of odd perspective problems and it's not helped by the way in which when landing on 32, if you miss the hump, you end up floating above the downslope.
On 14, again you have an odd perspective, and there is a definate tendancy if you're not familiar with the place, to land deep.
I feel sure that someone will correct me on this, but Yeadon was where Avro's built the Lancasters and that it was anticipated that aircraft would never have to actually LAND there!
Right! Tin hat on, bunker doors closed! Heads down - INCOMING!
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Re your SAAB coment
At the time the cross wind limit on the SAAB was 35knts and only after this event was it reduced to 30knts. It was later found that this aircraft and others in the fleet suffered from an uncommanded steering input when the oleo was fully extended (to do with wheel centering prior to gear retraction) this could occur when taking of from rough and uneven surfaces due to WoW switch position. The instant wind passed to the crew was from the reports i read below the figure you suggest. In any event the wind reported to crews at Leeds have little to do with the actual wind. I have seen a tail wind on each end at the same time i have also seen one wind sock limp and the other on viagra!
What you comments show is that Leeds is a "interesting airport" to operate from, that the runway is mis alinged with regard to the wind and is as rough as they come anywhere this side of the CIS states, i did say in January that it was only a matter of time before we had a major incident
No its not at rat hole, but an uneven runway that is old and very rough across the prevailing wind at 650 ft above sea level comes a close second, one wonders why the saab didn't use R27 in that wind, maybe it was closed with aircraft parked on it!!
Cheers
Burt
At the time the cross wind limit on the SAAB was 35knts and only after this event was it reduced to 30knts. It was later found that this aircraft and others in the fleet suffered from an uncommanded steering input when the oleo was fully extended (to do with wheel centering prior to gear retraction) this could occur when taking of from rough and uneven surfaces due to WoW switch position. The instant wind passed to the crew was from the reports i read below the figure you suggest. In any event the wind reported to crews at Leeds have little to do with the actual wind. I have seen a tail wind on each end at the same time i have also seen one wind sock limp and the other on viagra!
What you comments show is that Leeds is a "interesting airport" to operate from, that the runway is mis alinged with regard to the wind and is as rough as they come anywhere this side of the CIS states, i did say in January that it was only a matter of time before we had a major incident
No its not at rat hole, but an uneven runway that is old and very rough across the prevailing wind at 650 ft above sea level comes a close second, one wonders why the saab didn't use R27 in that wind, maybe it was closed with aircraft parked on it!!
Cheers
Burt
Your post speaks volumes about your confidence in your own abilities and the capabilities of your aircraft.
PS. I am beginning to see why people like 411a get so much entertainment from winding people up, it really is amazing how quickly the bait gets taken!!. No LBAs on this months roster but see you all soon no doubt.
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Now you know, Max Angle...all it takes is a slightly acidic comment to start the ball rolling.
A few here on these forums have exceedingly thin skins...as you have now noticed.
I would suspect that they are the folks that have the 'no confidence' problem.
A few here on these forums have exceedingly thin skins...as you have now noticed.
I would suspect that they are the folks that have the 'no confidence' problem.
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hmm, I come here as a young pilot. My forum experience on the Internet to date has been centred around 'gaming' and other such things, where children bicker with each other continually.
I come here, expecting to find some mature and interesting, perhaps informative conversation, and find the same bickering, albeit expressed with an improved vocabulary.
hehe, oh well. Don’t let me stop you.
I come here, expecting to find some mature and interesting, perhaps informative conversation, and find the same bickering, albeit expressed with an improved vocabulary.
hehe, oh well. Don’t let me stop you.
http://www.leedstoday.net/ViewArticl...icleID=1030931
Terror on the runway as Airbus brakes fail
By Geoff Fox
PASSENGERS on a flight from Spain have described the terrifying moments their plane overshot the runway at Leeds.
Dozens of the 171 passengers on board the flight from Fuertaventura screamed when the brakes failed on the Airbus A320 run by Spanish airline LTE, which touched down at Leeds Bradford Airport shortly after 12.30pm yesterday.
The plane careered down the runway, swaying from left to right as the flight crew struggled to gain control. The pilot was finally able to stop the plane after ploughing into a grass verge at the very end of the runway.
"It was terrifying," said Bernice Manuel, 62, from Morley. "We went hurtling down past all the buildings, crossing over different runways.
"We could hear the squealing of the tyres and smell the rubber burning. The pilot swung us round and we were being banged side to side. We were waiting for the big crash."
But fortunately, for Mrs Manuel and her husband Barry, 65, the crash never came. All the passengers escaped shocked but unhurt. Mrs Manuel added: "Just another inch or two and we would have gone down the slope at the end of the runway. I'm still shaking."
Mr Manuel said the pilot made an announcement, informing passengers the brakes had failed and asking them to remain strapped into their seats. It took 30 minutes until airport staff were able to escort people off the rear of the plane.
"It was pretty nerve wracking," said fellow passenger Dan Stanek, 31, from Shipley. "It could've been a lot more serious if it had gone much further. We didn't realise until we got off the plane just how close it was."
Disappointed
John and Ruth Church from Durkar, Wakefield, say they had been disappointed with the standard of the flight, but had not been expecting the problems that occurred upon landing.
Mrs Church, 53, said: "It was really frightening. We didn't realise what was happening. We were racing down the runway and the next thing we knew we could see smoke coming from the tyres.
An investigation was immediately launched to find the cause of the problem. That led to lengthy delays with the runway closed to both incoming and outgoing flights for several hours.
Sally Ramsay, a manager at the airport, said: "An A320 LTE aircraft arriving from Fuertaventura at 12.40pm had problems on landing which resulted in it coming to rest on the end of the runway. The 171 passengers on board were disembarked using the aircraft steps and coached back to the terminal building for their return journey home. There were no injuries to any passengers.The air accident investigation team will identify the cause after further investigation."
Terror on the runway as Airbus brakes fail
By Geoff Fox
PASSENGERS on a flight from Spain have described the terrifying moments their plane overshot the runway at Leeds.
Dozens of the 171 passengers on board the flight from Fuertaventura screamed when the brakes failed on the Airbus A320 run by Spanish airline LTE, which touched down at Leeds Bradford Airport shortly after 12.30pm yesterday.
The plane careered down the runway, swaying from left to right as the flight crew struggled to gain control. The pilot was finally able to stop the plane after ploughing into a grass verge at the very end of the runway.
"It was terrifying," said Bernice Manuel, 62, from Morley. "We went hurtling down past all the buildings, crossing over different runways.
"We could hear the squealing of the tyres and smell the rubber burning. The pilot swung us round and we were being banged side to side. We were waiting for the big crash."
But fortunately, for Mrs Manuel and her husband Barry, 65, the crash never came. All the passengers escaped shocked but unhurt. Mrs Manuel added: "Just another inch or two and we would have gone down the slope at the end of the runway. I'm still shaking."
Mr Manuel said the pilot made an announcement, informing passengers the brakes had failed and asking them to remain strapped into their seats. It took 30 minutes until airport staff were able to escort people off the rear of the plane.
"It was pretty nerve wracking," said fellow passenger Dan Stanek, 31, from Shipley. "It could've been a lot more serious if it had gone much further. We didn't realise until we got off the plane just how close it was."
Disappointed
John and Ruth Church from Durkar, Wakefield, say they had been disappointed with the standard of the flight, but had not been expecting the problems that occurred upon landing.
Mrs Church, 53, said: "It was really frightening. We didn't realise what was happening. We were racing down the runway and the next thing we knew we could see smoke coming from the tyres.
An investigation was immediately launched to find the cause of the problem. That led to lengthy delays with the runway closed to both incoming and outgoing flights for several hours.
Sally Ramsay, a manager at the airport, said: "An A320 LTE aircraft arriving from Fuertaventura at 12.40pm had problems on landing which resulted in it coming to rest on the end of the runway. The 171 passengers on board were disembarked using the aircraft steps and coached back to the terminal building for their return journey home. There were no injuries to any passengers.The air accident investigation team will identify the cause after further investigation."
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lba -tuesday 26/9
can anyone give me the registrations of the following
1630 - 1730
fr 738 dub
ls 757 x 2
ls 733 x4
bd erj x 3
i drove past but was unable to get any regs your help would be really appreciated thanx
1630 - 1730
fr 738 dub
ls 757 x 2
ls 733 x4
bd erj x 3
i drove past but was unable to get any regs your help would be really appreciated thanx
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And why is the Astraeus 737 not on your list? It's much better than those common Jet2 ones. It's an NG 700 version, very bright and shiny. It's not going to be there much longer.