leeds.flyer

BTriple7 - Did you take the pics yourself?

Paul

BTriple7

Hello Paul,

I did - hence the err questionable quality .

Reverand Lovejoy

Hi guys,

I wouldn't get too excited. ILS not in use and NDB being used for app if needed but with 30k vis cant see it being an issue. ATC handling workload <slight> fine and 32 for t/o 14 for landing. Well done to LBA staff and inbounds for continueing <sp> to keep a professional service.........as expected. Would love to know more about 320 but don't want to get involved in speculation, I'm too busy studying for a Measurement and Control exam tomorrow.

The Reverand

leeds.flyer

If you don't mind me asking BTriple7 - do you work up there? If so, what do you do?

Paul

PS - Nothing wrong with the pics, but I would sort out that dust spot

Leodis

No expert, but can an aircraft really turn angles like that at high speed???

+'ve ROC

classic example of things being blown out of proportion.

not only by the word piano players i might add. is it really that big a deal?

just tow it back onto the rwy!

16 blades

Is it just me, or is there something odd about his flap config? That doesn't look like a landing flap setting for me (although I'm no expert on swept-wing jets) - looks more like a 'take-off' setting. Why would they be set to that after the incident? (assuming they've been moved at all after landing).

Maybe that could explain a thing or two? Or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

16B

Max Angle

Bloody hell, "ill informed", "pompous" and "bang out of order" just for being nasty about an airfield, don't take it so personally chaps. I stand by what I said though; it's a rat hole. It's on top of a hill which means it fogs out all the time or blows a gale, the runway is shortish, not even remotely level, points the wrong way and has a steep 3.5 degree ILS on one end and nasty overrun areas. Oh and autolands are horrible there. Apart from that it's lovely. On the plus side ATC are always helpful and efficient and the other staff are very friendly. Fortunately I am an infrequent visitor nowadays.

nokia

Why no chutes deployed - often situations of this nature will call for an evac as precaution - from inside it must have felt a very strange angle sitting forward and the crew would have no idea the mainwheels were still actually just on the hard surface.
At the very least must have been very hot brakes/wheels.....

BusyB

I recall a British Midland DC 9 doing the same shortly after they took over the LHR-LBA services from BA.

Leezyjet

Just been on Look North.

Passengers said that they sat there for "ages" before the flight crew told them anything.

Now just a minor thought, but would it not be a common courtesy to tell them something asap rather than leaving them sitting there frightened out of their minds ?.

Remember too that most of those people that were onboard only fly maybe a handful of time a year, so what might not seem like a big deal to someone who flys for a living sure is to them.

A4

If I was up the pointy end sitting over the grass with my backside higher than my nose, I would DEFINATELY consider it a big deal - and a very bad day in the office!

Any confirmation this was a sub for MYT? Is it the regular carrier? MYT pulled out of LBA last year so presumably the flights have been subbed. I thought LTE were German....?

A4

BOTFOJ

it was a charter for MyTravel the tour operator by LTE, which was subbed out to a Jordanian Airline.

Flame

Hi All;

Photo the the same aircraft, but not at the incident site, may be of interest to some...

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=322389

A4

From the picture, this looks like a "white tail" with a couple of LTE stickers on it. I think we are going to see more of this i.e. subbing out of flights to "unknown" airlines. Whilst I don't wish to be confrontational or cast aspertions, what checks are these carriers subjected to before carrying uk pax? Does the CAA have to approve or inspect these carriers?

If I booked a holiday on the High Street at Lunn Poly or Going Places etc and pitched up at LGW to find myself boarding, for example, an eastern european 757 for my flight to Tenerife I'd be a bit miffed and possibly a bit concerned to.

Tin hat on.

A4

BEST L/CONTROLLER

Mainly to MAX ANGLE!

But there are others on here, what annoys me on here is the way everyone shoots down LBA at the drop of a hat, due to rwy length or what ever stupid reson you can think of next,

This incident has nothing to do with the lenght of rwy or what a rat hole it is, it's down to crew error of technical problems, until the investigation is over knowone knows unless you all working for AAIB! which I doubt,

Also someone mentioned the Saab, well I was on shift that day and that was down to crew error, we were listening to the RT and the tower said "the winds are 270/42G55knts your cleared for take off rwy 32, are you sure you want to continue with the departure due to winds" he replied "it'll be ok no probs," the next thing we heard in the office was the sound of the crash alarm, so we looked out of the window and saw the BMI SF340 spinning of the grass verge in between taxiway D and 28 as it was then, so not an airport problem would you say,

Also the Tristar, that goes without saying that was crew error, and from what witnesses say regaring the LTE then that was crew error, but untill the investigation,

There has been thousands of safe landings at LBA on most types of A/C B747's the lot and they've suffered no problems, even if the rwy's a little short, so that's me finninshed with now.

BTW LTE are Spanish, Volar Airlines is their real name, someone thought they were German, they used to be the Spanish subsidary of the German airline LTU maybe that's what your getting mistaken for,

CHEERS!!!!!

sammypilot

I don't see why you should be reaching for your tin hat A4. Most prudent holiday makers, when booking, check to see who they are flying with. Usually the brochure has towards it's rear, the airline to be used on a particular flight plus the type of aircraft to be used. O.K. so the operators always put in the saving clause that they may substitute other airlines and aircraft. However it is a big selling point that you will be travelling on a British Airline.

I too would be miffed to find that the aircraft that turned up would be on a sub charter to a sub charter and I would be extremely dubious about the quality of the crew and the aircraft's airworthiness. I stopped using one holiday company when instead of the nice shining B737 operated by a British company I was expecting to fly in, an ancient 727 operated by a Portugese airline with only 2 aircraft turned up at Manchester 24 hours late.

leeds.flyer

BEST L/CONTROLLER - Thank you for writing that, and well said!

I just get annoyed and feel very defensive about my local airport (and the airport I regularly fly from). All these negative comments that peropl are just happy to throw about when, as you said, the incidents have been crew werror, and nothing to do with the airport!

Paul

BusyB

BEST L/CONTROLLER,

'Also the Tristar, that goes without saying that was crew error'

'it's down to crew error of technical problems, until the investigation is over knowone knows'

Well after 2 comments like that I really hope you did read the Tristar accident report.
As I recall the crew landed at the touchdown point utilised max braking and went off the end. I think you'll find that the A/C for some reason did not stop as the performance had predicted. The criticism of the crew concerned the "before descent" checklist.
You might be the BEST L/CONTROLLER, but you are not much of a historian. Pot calling Kettle Black springs to mind.

leeds.flyer

Busy B - I don't think he was pointing the blame at anyone, but just trying to point out that it was not the fault of the airport itself, however, I do believe that the last third of the runway was paved at the time, which if I remember right didn't help the situation.

I seemed to think though that he did land late? But maybe I'm wrong.

Paul