Flight deck Bottled Water?
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Flight deck Bottled Water?
Quick query..
Is the bottled water supplied to your flight deck by the caterers.. round bottles (that roll around on their side) or square cross sectioned ones (that don't)
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Is the bottled water supplied to your flight deck by the caterers.. round bottles (that roll around on their side) or square cross sectioned ones (that don't)
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Square - ish ones, buuuuuuuuut, they still roll all over the place unless they're in a secure place. If they're in a secure place/cubbyhole/navbag, doesn't matter what shape they are..... the point of this question is........
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What happens if the people placing the water on the flight deck is a terrorist and poisens both of you? In this day and age I would think you would buy your own water and snacks to bring aboard.
If the pilots aren't allowed to eat the same meal for fear of possibly food poisening both pilots why should you be drinking from the same well?
If the pilots aren't allowed to eat the same meal for fear of possibly food poisening both pilots why should you be drinking from the same well?
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Theyd have to be very clever and posion a lot of people. I always check the seal is not broken on my water when I get it.
The other week it was and I enquired, one of the crew had opened it for me to make my life easier (his words) ?????
The other week it was and I enquired, one of the crew had opened it for me to make my life easier (his words) ?????
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expedite_climb,
I hate to rain on your parade, but your logic in checking the seal is easily defeated. Concert goers in the USA have long since figured out how to get those bottles open and closed again while maintaining the appearence that the safety seal is still intact so they can get booze into the show.
I have also seen someone use a hypodermic needle to remove the liquid and put another liquid back in and then seal the hole with super glue and only a microscope will find the hole.
I hate to rain on your parade, but your logic in checking the seal is easily defeated. Concert goers in the USA have long since figured out how to get those bottles open and closed again while maintaining the appearence that the safety seal is still intact so they can get booze into the show.
I have also seen someone use a hypodermic needle to remove the liquid and put another liquid back in and then seal the hole with super glue and only a microscope will find the hole.
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747FOCAL can you show me how?
But seriously, we have a real problem on the Airbus with junk dissapearing behind the pedals, those water bottles make those pedals feel real funny and more than once have I seen one there! I was told by an eng that there is a guard now that can be fitted to stop debris falling deep in to the computers - recent diversion due spilt soda smoking on hot wires may make it worth it's cost!
But seriously, we have a real problem on the Airbus with junk dissapearing behind the pedals, those water bottles make those pedals feel real funny and more than once have I seen one there! I was told by an eng that there is a guard now that can be fitted to stop debris falling deep in to the computers - recent diversion due spilt soda smoking on hot wires may make it worth it's cost!
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Square vs Round
Just a thought, but maybe it's beacuse when packing multiple squared bottles you lose less space and hence can get a greater volume thus saving on distribution costs.
I guess carbonated drinks are round in order to better contain the pressure.
I guess carbonated drinks are round in order to better contain the pressure.
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this is definitely one of the most arbitary questions i've ever seen,but actually a square bottle could just as easily find its way behind the pedals,the solution is thus to install one of those little gravity/suction fed hamster water bottles-they could wall mount them and hey presto! no more sliding about but...oh no! what if some crazed sick terrorist from an anti-rodent splinter group decides to put something in the drinking water?
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The water bottle question comes up quite frequently with light aircraft as they can jam under the rudder pedals.
Check out GASIL or whatever the CAA call it these days, it usually has a report on a light aircraft having control difficulties due to jammed bottles.
Always a hazard in the summer in 150's/152's as they get incredibly hot, have poor vents and usually nowhere left to wedge a bottle safely.
However, I did hear rumours about some UK airlines banning bottles from the flight deck. Monarch or Air 2 perhaps, but just guessing. Anyone?
Check out GASIL or whatever the CAA call it these days, it usually has a report on a light aircraft having control difficulties due to jammed bottles.
Always a hazard in the summer in 150's/152's as they get incredibly hot, have poor vents and usually nowhere left to wedge a bottle safely.
However, I did hear rumours about some UK airlines banning bottles from the flight deck. Monarch or Air 2 perhaps, but just guessing. Anyone?
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White Knight,
We will see how you are after somebody flies that 727 that was stolen into Buckingham Palace. Frankly I could give a toss about terrorism. I just was bringing up something to debate about the water bottles that maybe some pilots may not be thinking of.
I know how to open that hardened cockpit door with a tennis ball. How does that make you feel?
We will see how you are after somebody flies that 727 that was stolen into Buckingham Palace. Frankly I could give a toss about terrorism. I just was bringing up something to debate about the water bottles that maybe some pilots may not be thinking of.
I know how to open that hardened cockpit door with a tennis ball. How does that make you feel?
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Just a quick idea vis a vis water bottles on light aircraft. Get a "Camelbak" water holder. It is a plastic pouch with a drinking tube, holds about 1.5 litres. All you have to do is tuck it down outboard side of seat and run tube through harness. Works for me.
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Does it make any difference? The second you rotate, the #$%# slides all the way back so you cant reach it until you are in the cruise. 
Secondly are we talking about Evian water or good old fashioned "Peckham" water (i.e. good ole tap water)
Secondly are we talking about Evian water or good old fashioned "Peckham" water (i.e. good ole tap water)
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Are there some of you guys STILL using those pedal things! I had forgotten what they were for. Remember using them on DC3's a lot and then must have forgotten about them somewhere along the way later.