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dogsfatass 7th May 2019 23:34



Out of curiosity, is the $200 a day training pay for 3 months (typed) fixed by CSA, or are there variations depending on which recruitment agency one uses?

Everyone is the same, $200 a day for induction (usually a bit less than a month) then $400 a day until 3 months, then full basic.

Also, reading through previous posts here is it still unlikely to get a (777) LAX or (787) AKL base (as advertised by the agency), or should one expect to sit in China waiting for an opening?

LAX still nothing but conjecture, doubt it will take place anytime soon. AKL base swaps from fleet to fleet every 3 months, the current 787 RSP guys have been severely displaced over the last 18 months.

Finally, is the atmosphere for an expatriate still as toxic as previously reported?

Probably worse. The Paris base 330 RSP guys were just informed last week that the 777 will be taking over and they are now transferred to being CAN based on 20/10 rosters. Many have immediately quit.

Count von Altibar 12th May 2019 11:16

Do non-rated guys remain on the $400 a day until 6 months or has that changed?

737crew 25th May 2019 09:46

Update
 

Originally Posted by 737crew (Post 10460468)
sure, I will

​​​​​​Merhaba to all.
​​​​Things have slightly changed in the mean time. I still move to Asia, but not China anymore. There were issues with my contract. At the same time I got a job offer from another airline. Way better conditions in terms of transparency and roster planning.

FlightDetent 25th May 2019 17:57

Seeing your location as "IST", do you have any news about the acceptance of PIC hours on TC- aircraft? There are strong rumours it is an invalidating condition.

Count von Altibar 26th May 2019 13:01

Someone told me that if you've ever flown for a Turkish carrier no airline in China accepts this, could be BS I'm not sure

FlightDetent 26th May 2019 13:52

I can tell you it is not the airline but CAAC. Also that it does not apply to F/O hours, only PIC at CAAC North.

What exactly that means, the recruiters I have access to do not know. I challenged them with a scenario of an experienced German CMD going to fly DEC in TUR say for 2 years, and then coming back to continue in Europe on his EASA licence for a couple more before applying. They said it would need to go to CAAC and wait for a ruling from them.

Count von Altibar 29th May 2019 11:21

That's all just crazy on their (CAAC) part. I guess the TIC thing applies as ever.

737crew 17th Jun 2019 06:30


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 10479470)
Seeing your location as "IST", do you have any news about the acceptance of PIC hours on TC- aircraft? There are strong rumours it is an invalidating condition.

If you're lucky they accept all Pic hrs, if not they multiply (x0.3) or they don't accept anything. But that's not rules more guideline, pretty much nose factor

TobiA320 9th Jul 2019 15:50

Hello guys, I'm looking for a transition.
 
Hello ladies and gentlemans!

I've gone through the whole thread and it was pretty long. There are some questions that I'm still looking for an answer.
Background:
FAA/JCAB ATP
Used to be EMB175 CAPT
Current on A320 in japan with considerably amount of PIC time.

1/ When applying, do I use my FAA ATP or JCAB ATPL? I have both licenses. As far as I know according to my understanding, I can use whatever ICAO ATPL from a country that has diplomatic relationship with china.

2/ How long does training last from Typing to Line Captain?
(I've heard some say 2 years, some say 1 year, some even say 6 months. I'm looking foward for an A330 NTR CAPT slot. Bases don't really matter)

3/ Smoking in the deck??? Really? I thought it was a made-up stoty from my friend!

Those are my questions for now about CSA, and thank you all for spending some time on my questions!

Thank you and fly safe

Tobi


FlightDetent 10th Jul 2019 01:22

During the process the CAAC will liaise with your licence NAA. Neither should be a problem, take your pick. In case of need for a no incident report (see the ME thread, though still confusing), the more recent JCAB will work better. I strongly suggest you disclose both and let them handle it.

Smoking is done with, severe penalties in place. Up to 6 months grounding for those who just do not report others. (different CAAC region, different airline).

TobiA320 10th Jul 2019 01:37


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 10514479)
During the process the CAAC will liaise with your licence NAA. Neither should be a problem, take your pick. In case of need for a no incident report (see the ME thread, though still confusing), the more recent JCAB will work better. I strongly suggest you disclose both and let them handle it.

Smoking is done with, severe penalties in place. Up to 6 months grounding for those who just do not report others. (different CAAC region, different airline).

Hey, I think I would disclose both JCAB and FAA ATP. Thank you.

Captain Spam Can 10th Jul 2019 11:40

Any European RSP slots available yet on the A330? Last year I was told they had been filled from the recruiter.

mach85 12th Jul 2019 12:53


Originally Posted by Captain Spam Can (Post 10514891)
Any European RSP slots available yet on the A330? Last year I was told they had been filled from the recruiter.

Hi Capt Spam,

There was only 1 A330 EU RSP and that was CDG.

Unfortunately though the 777 took the route as of beginning July so those guys are back in CAN on 20/10.......
I was told recently that a lot of them resigned now after being moved back to a 20/10 Roster......

RSP’s very unstable due to frequent changes in AC type.....

Cheers

Captain Spam Can 12th Jul 2019 16:38

Wow it sounds very unstable!!

dogsfatass 15th Jul 2019 06:53

Unstable is an understatement.

They are now looking to give what's left of the 330 RSP guys 10 day PDG basings every month which essentially means a 14 day trip out of home base. Might as well be a commuting roster.

Stay away from this god awful place.

Captain Spam Can 16th Jul 2019 06:35


Originally Posted by dogsfatass (Post 10518829)
Unstable is an understatement.

They are now looking to give what's left of the 330 RSP guys 10 day PDG basings every month which essentially means a 14 day trip out of home base. Might as well be a commuting roster.

Stay away from this god awful place.

just to through a curveball, but wouldn’t that work out okay, as I see 2 week on 2 week off commuting contracts are circa 14k. That looks like you effectively get a PDG base for 14 days then have the rest at home, granted not a base in Europe but I guess your getting 14 on 14 off for circa 21K?

FlightDetent 16th Jul 2019 09:30

Guess he means you work those 14 home days too, thus might as well pick a commuting roster instead and go live home during the spare time.

TobiA320 17th Jul 2019 06:47

Before I commit to the plan.
 
Hey guys!
Lately I've considered a widebody transition in china but before I commit to it I still have some questions.

1/ Let's say I'm near the end of my contract and wanting to leave for another widebody job outside china, Do I need the airlines' Letter of Release? (Suppose I do not want to work in china anymore)
2/ With the CAAC ATPL, I know that I wouldn't have acess to obtain it. How can I present an ICAO ATPL to a new employer? Do I use the same one that I came to china with which is the FAA ATP?

Thank you all for your time reading all of mt questions.
Flysafe.


tgo15 17th Jul 2019 08:08


Originally Posted by Viking101 (Post 8991760)
interesting news...

I am in the process of potentially applying for the DEC A330, however I hear their screenings are terrible?!

The sim is apparently crazy, and the medical is insane- heard about a guy who needed to give liver biopsi just to check alcohol consuption...

Any feedback on this at all?

about the medical yes, chinese are really strict about that. So i guess its true

tgo15 17th Jul 2019 13:59

Im thinking to move out from china.. its too much already, but some company asking for an important documents release by CAAC. And that’s sounds impossible to get. Anyone ever get it before ?


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