VIETJET AIR /ATRANS AVIATION
 

Dear fellows Aviators,

I just wanted to know if any of you has ever heard about "ATRANS AVIATION" working with Vietjet Air??? To check if this "brooker" can be trusted or it is a scam.

Any advise will be much appreciate.

Happy landings!!!

Hello

I dont think they do cuz im just about to join vietjet through another agency and they are exclusive!!!!

So far quite a number of agents promise pay to fly line training with vietjet but none turn out to be legit since Vietnam DCA insist they take only local pilots unless experience foreign pilots with hours on type.

Can you name those agencies?

Romeo, if you do get into vietjet, pls let us know that way we will know that southern aviation is legit.

Wilco pfvspnf... I hope so at least for my sake ;)

P2F price at Vietjet is 59,000 Euro! More if you don't have the rating or base training.

OMG what is happening to this job. Sadly they will be lining up for it.

anyone with any further news and updates about the Atrans A320 program, please share.

Atrans Aviation
 

I met the people behind Atrans Aviation in person last month. Also went to the company to check everything. The contract has been reviewed by my laywer. All seems to be very professional and clear. There are no payments in front. During the programme you will work with the Airline and them together. Once again; every payment is done when you completed the check in Bangkok and are released by the Airline to strart the Line Training. I will start within two months. At the end: Is Ryanair not a P2F?.

Marco,

As much as Ryan air charge you over the odds for a type rating they don't fit in to the pay to fly model. Paying 60k euros after you have a type is. Are you serious? Your going to pay someone 60k euro to sit and operate the gear handle?

You must have more money than brains

I think a blacklist should be developed. Any pilot who pays to fly in any of these programs should be placed on that list. All other airline pilots should work very hard to ensure such pilots never get an opportunity to work in the industry again. They are destroying the pay and benefit packages worldwide by their short sighted actions and should suffer the consequences of those actions.


Typhoonpilot

There is nothing wrong with the aviation market right now. It is booming all over the world. Unfortunately there are a bunch of bottom feeders that still can't get jobs and are willing to P2F instead of working their way up from the bottom like the rest of the "real" pilots.

So is SAS exclusive for vietjet as Romeo claims ?

Thyphoonpilot has a very good point. Something has to happen to make it stop.

As far as Zed7's comment,
"Let people do as they please, most of of these threads end up with messages against P2F and how its fuking the industry, ok , understood ! now lets move ahead and talk about stuff that matters rather than a general negative attitude towards P2F."

P2F really matters to must PROFESSIONAL pilots, it matters more than you could probably comprehend.

Such a statement shows the lack of professionalism.

MDT06

To the best of my knowledge the CAAV still requires minimum 500 on type to issue a conversion from a foreign licence. And they are very specific about it, i.e. they require actual A321 time for Vietnam Airlines foreign pilot conversions, they don't count A320 or A319.

Vietjet isn't short of pilot applications, a very large number of hugely experienced local Vietnamese pilots from Vietnam Airlines have applied for the job.

I would be very very very very cautious about paying money up front to anybody for a job with Vietjet. Especially an agency that nobody's ever heard of.

Is it me or is pay to fly on the way out ? More and more people find it very very difficult to get the line training completed ! They usually get scammed into doing the TR with the agent.

That,s correct Luke . Few of my mates flew to hanoi and that is what they were told in order for a foreign pilot be employed there.

CPL 200 hour fresh pilots are only for locals.

They lost a lot of expats fo to vietnam air recently.

I would say the contrary...
going from VNA to VJ, glup ! or something wrong with their mind !

Not really
 

VJ offers a better pay and time off package for locals.
As Luke inferred many local VN pilots are making noises about going over to VJ, however they still need to be released from the 15yrs- lifetime (retirement age) training bonds. Last TRE who left had to bring a lawyer and pay off his not inconsiderable bond. Also..
The CAAV will accept either A320 or a321 time, they issue a license to pilots to fly 320's but VN only have 321s. 319 however does seem to be a sticking point.
Disagree with Luke that VJ is not short of pilots, talk to the guys there. Their short and with an aircraft a month (to fulfill 92 a/C order) going to get shorter, unless they do a Skymark (380).:=

Does the CAAV know about the pay to fly program? Is this an approved training program ?

I know some guys in VJ; there is no p2f program...dunno where you get this info?
if it was the case, why the CAAV should say something ? as long as it brings money, they won't say anything. Especially in VN. :O

Guess more people are in the process of getting scammed. If you want to pay to fly, why don't you check with the airline directly ? The shady agent diesnt want you talking to anybody from the airline and usually threatens to cancel the deal if you do so.

Some guys I know in Vietjet heard some rumours abt the pay2fly programs but nobody is sure. We'll I suppose it's a good sign if they let you do a sim check with someone of the airline without paying the full amount of the program up front.. But then for the ppl who are willing to go for this they still have to be cautious..

Typhoon,

There is no practical way for non union pilots to enforce a blacklist. If there was, our distinguished poster Tanua would be unemployable, having left his mates on a picket line and transferred to another division of the same corporation, where he promptly performed struck work. There is a word for this but I can't say it, because the sensitive lad runs to the mods to have posts deleted when his feathers are ruffled.

The safety records at some of the pay2fly operations show that they are playing with fire. Airlines that cut corners in one area tend to do it in others as well. If there is an economic price to pay, it might finally force them to reevaluate pay2fly.

Where is Romeo ?

SAS
 

This is a another place run by a big talker in Sri Lanka. Dont get trapped he has political connections where he can get away ,, goons are on his side your money will dissapear,,,,

whats up pfvspnf? you miss me? I'm here reading all the posts, never gone away.

folks, i have a confirmation from the OP manager at vietjet that SAS is the only agency, what now? convinced

That's good to hear. So you are implying that atrans is a scam ?

Did you pass the sim eval ?

well, I'm not ruling anything out but, i know what i know and that it. maybe atrans is also providing, dunno. but based on OP managers email, sas IS the only one.

do you fly anywhere pfvspnf? or just like us looking for a contract some where.

who is OP manager Romeo ?, can you provide me.
I have checked with Vj as well and confirmed that Atrans is a agent providing exp pilots and cadets for line training program.
Also i got the contract as well as details of line training program from Atrans, everything is very clear and reliable.
I don't have to pay anything before the the Skype interview with VJ even after by Atrans. i just pay very small amount (1,500e) when i enroll the program in VN and do the Sim check. the 2nd payment is after passing the sim check and after signing the agreement with both VJ and Atrans. 3rd payment is after passing the line check.
So i don't know what i have to worry abt ? please advise me when anyone have any info, thanks

Guys in Vietnam anything is possible. This agency or that doesn't matter. It will be corrupt management at Vietjet behind any P2F scheme.

FFS I cannot advise you strongly enough do NOT take the word of ANY agencies or anyone on pprune claiming that such-and-such agency has a deal with the airline.

The national sport here is taking money off gullible westerners, and the sums you guys are talking about spending is like a lottery win to the Vietnamese. (Literally - I think the biggest prize in the national lottery is 3 trillion VND which equates to about 100,000 euro).

I don't approve of P2F but I approve even less of people throwing their money away for nothing - therefore I say again PLEASE contact the airline directly for the correct info regarding the recruitment process. People are getting scammed here without a doubt.

Also, for what it's worth, there are rumours every day about the number of local Vietnamese pilots who have resigned from VNA in order to move to Vietjet (yes really, because it's a massive pay rise for them). Most of them are very experienced and well connected - and it's all about politics here. Whether or not they get the Vietjet job is another matter, but rest assured if the locals think their interests are being compromised by 200 hour foreigners, they will be phoning the CAAV and doing everything in their power to get them removed.

And if that was to happen, I would say anyone who had paid for P2F would have less than a snowball's chance in hell of getting their money back :rolleyes:

Read again...
 

Suggest you all read AGAIN, Luke's post..It is on the money. :ok:

They're crazy... VNA may pay less (i don't know exactly) but the routes are far more interesting, the planes too (777, 330 etc), the IATA member, yes they should not forget that, good to go on holidays for a cheap price etc.

VJ has : some routes, 320 (only), it's LCC (so...it says all) and not IATA member.

They should really do the maths before (and think in long term career too).

Vietjet good for desperate pilots, and or inexperienced capts f/os with no place to go. Corrupted place. No medical no loss of license no benefits. Basic salary is a joke. And now they tying to play dirty game with salary payment , you never get what you suppose to be paid at the end of the month they keep some of your money just in case you leave !! Be careful guys.

Crazy, depends
 

We'll that all depends. VN is a State Owned Enterprise

Vietnam to guarantee $626 mln bonds to help tackle Vinashin foreign debt | Reuters

someone raised the P2F point, and it's right actually..mea culpa.

Apparently it's an agency based in Rome (i don't have the name), who rents the sims from Alitalia, they work with
atlas jet, vietjet, vietnam airline, tunisair...

that's really bad but not surprising from them.

I'm glad I am about to retire. This industry is going to hell very soon pilots won't get paid at all, they will just pay to "work" . How the hell these kids think they are going to bring up a family is beyond me. They just don't get it. They think they will pay to fly, get hours and go somewhere else. But when they try to get another job, all the positions will be taken by other pay to flyers.

It's a fcing mess, but they have made it themselves, enjoy.:ugh:::ugh:

i am not sure who to blame actually. BUt for sure the kids do some wrongs things by paying;

But in the case of Vietjetair, at first, this airline had offered Type rating (Toulouse) to some cadets under a local contract for 5 years. So it was not that bad.

It seems that now the airline turned badly... I think, they got inspired by some european or others asian airlines mainly and not by the kids.

It's like a cancer :( first the airline is in a good shape and then it becomes bad... sad.

Alwayswannafly, sorry for you man. But as you say, you deserve surely a better opportunity.

The bad thing, is you may wait for a long time...unfortunately, as I said, It is something that spreads like cancer cells.

Indeed VJC, before this sh**;paid for TR (against a 5 years contract, actually one year but renewalbe) , and pilots were paid during LT. Except the OBS flights...
Do they still offer some food on board to the crew or make they it pay like other LCC ? I would not be suprised that one day, 100% of food will be paying.

Now, some pilots are ready to pay just to go beyond others. But that will not last, they will see that when VJ will not need of them, they will kick their ass, and their career will be quite unstable.

Glad I have a business beside, so I only use this inudstry to fly where I want and when I want, but not for a real career. Oh no...no no.

VJ may be a cool environnement, especially with cabin crew (well apparently with the technicians it's not so fun sometimes), but the way they treat pilots and passengers (they are often late according to articles) it says it all.