So you can confirm that vietjet does do paytofly?

They are going on my blacklist !

More details? Who are the agents? How much does it cost? And what sort of individuals are lining up for this 'privilege' ?

and paying for OBS? hahahaha :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsQIqv1PfTM

check the YT link, it's in french... would be nice with subtitles, maybe someone would do it...anyway, at the 59 minutes, you will hear clearly the airlines names who signed a contract with an italian agency...no name ! what a pity...it was under hidden camera.

some french, have balls to talk about pay to fly theme ! and it's not finished. The broadcast is short , about 20 minutes...what a pity too.

But that's a start.

About the OBS flights, if it's true that it's paying, ahahah what a shame.

You do work during OBS flights !!! (radio, or doing the loadsheet, even though now, apparently in HCM and Hanoi, the ground staff does the loadsheet).

So I'm paying for OBS, hours I cannot count as I'm not operational yet, you do limited cockpit preparation and maybe some radio work. ! And they want money for these sectors ? For the most part you look at the window and take pictures for Facebook !

That's all these p2frs are good at selfies. !

Dude, can"t you imagine that you'll be airline pilot, best job (sorry.. hobby) in the world ?
so, yes, you have to pay for this privilege to post pics on FB !!

god ! you should pay for this job, and not being paid! so be happy ok ?

(irony) ;)

Greenlight, I want to thank you for the link to the french TV. I am the one that participate...

I made some enquiries for the TV and I obtain several propositions.... There are so many offers for Pay To Fly with no contract, no salary, nothing,....

Subtitles are coming soon....

We have created a petition against Pay To Fly. We need 100.000 signatures to be heard by european commission:
https://secure.avaaz.org/fr/petition/p2f_must_stop/

Please, sign and make it turn!

You ? wow awsome buddy !
No prob, don't mention it! you're welcome....
I understand french that's why I heard about it, but sure, the subtitles are more than welcome too.

haha ! you bet !

As you said, it's just the beginning.... We are making noise and some european pilots associations are supporting us....

We have to speak loudly about Pay To Fly to be heard

Yep, I confirm.
French SNPL is backing us. Swiss AEROPERS ans Belgium BeCA is discussing support as well as the ECA (European Cockpit Association), in a meeting set this week.

Wow I bet all the P2F airlines of southeast asia will be shaking in their boots, when they hear all those european pilot's unions in France and Belgium are "holding meetings" and "discussing support" and "making noise" :rolleyes:

That's all that unions are good for these days unfortunately

I think lion air should be punished but it's the agents themselves that need to learn a lesson !

P2F airlines are probably laughing at pilots.

Like alcohol & drug, more prohibited it is, more....

12 Bad Effects of Prohibition You Should Know

They are having a good laugh, so are these scam agencies when you send the money to their bank account.

Romeo can you give us an update on your progress. ?

On a lighter note ...
 

These unfortunately aren't actually VietJet girls; they're professional models.


Racy photos of scantily-clad VietAir flight attendants stir controversy | Fox News

Of course...
In Vietnam, many things are just fake or put out smoke and mirror. (like their pseudo order of 90 airbus).
The girls are from Venus agency. And by the way, those kinds of girl would rather work as pro model than being an underpaid flight attendant in a scout uniform all the day long. I know it, I dated a pro model and they would never change their job, except when older obvisouly^^.
And personnaly, I never date a FA in the same airline...bad idea, especially when the airline is small.

Vietjet use a lot marketing strategy and they do need girls because........... they only have that. So they try to attract the young generation.

Viet Jet
 

I ve seen some comments about Viet Jet /Atrans Aviation but cannot see a direct frank comment whether this program is something similar to Lion Air ?

I am looking forwrd to see somebody actually has gone through this program and flying for Viet Jet

Thanks

That's probably because this program doesn't exist and the agent is lying to you

That's a pity. A lot of messengers I have written on that topic are not published.... :(

Pprune is not like any others forum I know....freedom of speech is not taken into account. :mad:

Not with vietjet....but Atransaviation states that they have line training in cambodja with
Angkor air, but probably is a scam, because this Angkor air, changed name few months ago...and on the old airline there are still waiting for line training 15 pilots from south korea!!!!

If an airline changes name, asks for new line training pilots, but the old airline still have 15 new recruits waiting for starting line on the bus, do you think this new Angkor air will make line training for the new pilots/recruits?

I dont believe so...if i know this story...i think atransaviation knows this story too!!!!

What a scam mate , first vietjet now Cambodia, they keep throwing out names. A friend of mine was told his linevtrainjng will be in Congo then Mexico then Tunisia and was finally screwed over by the agent .

These idiots paid $50K for A320 TR and line training fees. All they get paid is per diem whilst flying. P2F never fails to disappoint! :D

So they are flying ? Do they get a job after ?

AFAIK, they were told that if they perform well during their 500 hours line training, they would receive job offers but if you are the owner, will you offer them job offers? There are plenty of other people lining up to give you $50K per head for giving them 500hrs on A320. Besides, that airline is not financially stable anyway.

Chris Flores,
That Information is Bull with a Capital B. Cambodia Angkor Air is 49 percent owned by Vietnam Airlines. They have been going for 5 years plus and currently don't have dealings with Korean's or P2F schemes.
They also have not changed the Name either. Sounds like a scam going on with an outfit called 9star in Thailand or maybe Skywings is involved in Cambodia. Both have Korean Management.

Cambodja Angkor Air is the national airline, never made P2F schemes. Will start now?

Sky Wings managed by Korean team changed name couple weeks ago. And has p2f pilots waiting to join...

Now...which one it is...

Cambodia Angkor Air is effectively a subsidiary of Vietnam Airlines, and is operated by VNA pilots with Vietnamese licences. They are absolutely definitely NOT involved in selling any kind of pay-to-fly, through themselves or any agency.

Anyone who claims otherwise, or asks for money from aspiring pilots, is lying and should be reported to the local anti-fraud authorities.

I suspect that Cris_F may be getting himself confused with Bassaka Air which has started up in Cambodia with I believe Chinese money and support?

Angkor Air has no need or plans to set up some P2F. Luke is correct except there is a few Local and Foreign Non VNA Crew with them.

Skywings is still operating as Skywings and there is another new start called Apsara which just got its AOC.

Bassaka has no dealings with P2F and anyway my SSCA Friend told me
still No AOC yet for them. Suspect its Skywings up to something, if you know the Management there Nuff said.

I also hear 9star Boss is up to some Dodgy scam with an ex Non Thai FO who went to Vietjet then left under a cloud again. Lots of post's about that Wazz on here. Something about Korean Cadet's so figure that one.

All i wanted to say was that Skywings is in trouble because has 15 new pilots to join linetraining since June/July. The national carrier Angkor air will not start p2f.


So if atrans aviation is stating that will have line training in Cambodja with one airline called Angkor Air, its a SCAM for me.

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... and I'll bet $100 that at least half of them will be gone again within a few months of starting up ... basically as long as it takes for them to run up some huge unpaid bills for fuel and maintenance and landing fees, and fleece a few wide eyed wannabes for a few hundred grand of "line training" ... then hello mysteriously one morning the office will be locked and the "management" will be nowhere to be seen :hmm:

I like the way it say's Bassaka will start ops in Dec 2014. Last I heard still no AOC and 2 planes parked at PNH. I also hear SSCA not happy as they have been doing stuff without approval.

There is no line training with SAS or ATRANS . Someone confirmed this to me

squarecrow...right on spot! Thanks.

Now its clear....

I stand corrected Bassaka got it at last so good luck to them.

Luke with respect the way Cambodia Angkor is being run is not impressive at all either, take that any way you want.
Regard's

Hello Marco,

Did you really met them?
Please tell us more about them..
Do you think they are really serious?
Thank you so much

If you are FO you have very few chances now to interest them.
VJ have more cadets than seats available now. PLus some FO pay for line training...so even with experience on type it is tough to move here unfortunately.

There is no Line training at viet jet now only cadets and experienced FOs